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[thepiebaker]

someone lock the thread... OP fails to notice that he can just as easily pre-order the digital edition from the EA site as he can with steam with the same benefits other than, i assume, with EA a larger percent of the profits goes into bioware's pocket and therefore bioware has more money to fund better games. he has no excuse about time because he's had MONTHS to notice and pre-order the signature edition. he could have gotten it through EA, as stated above, and even GameStop had a digital version of the signature edition. you could have easily pre-ordered from the AMERICAN sites and gotten the english version



and OP if you want that character it'll be on sale as DLC for $7 so you didn't lose out completely. just have to pay $7 more for your idiocy

[LordPaul256]

[quote]Cuthlan wrote...



http://www.game.co.u...atch/Countries/)/



*snip*



That didn't take me 20 hours. Took about 2 minutes.[/quote]



Fine.  I could
have preordered it somewhere else by paying out the leg for shipping.  That's not really the point.  The
point is that it was never made obvious that this deal would be avaiable everywhere but Steam. 



And
why shouldn't it?  Valve is one of the most relaxed and
easy-to-work-with companies out there.  They just let a ton of game
companies sell their games for massively reduced prices over the
holidays by reducing their share of the profit.  They have - by far and
away - the best customer service in the industry.  Everything about the
company screams, "We want to serve our customers."



So why would they be the ones that wouldn't let the Signature Edition go through?  It makes no sense. 

[quote]Razaroh wrote...

[quote]LordPaul256 wrote...

I've never been more ashamed to share a hobby with people. 

[/quote]

...It's my fault for hoping that this was going to be a pleasantly reasonable conversation on the topic .

[/quote]

The first response was "It's your own damn fault."  That became the theme of the thread.  Did you really expect the conversation to pick up from there?



[quote]Reinnaert wrote...

(and yes it's a shame that signature edition isn't on steam but that's EA's fault, not bioware).

[/quote]

From what it sounds like, EA and Valve are both to blame for not coming to an agreement over... something.[/quote]

I can't imagine it's on Valve's end.  They have an excellent working relationship with everyone in the industry except Activision, but no one has a good relationship with Activision.  How many companies are they suing right now?

And why not work out how to provide your game to the most used - by a wide margin - digital download service available?  I seriously doubt they would have had to bend over backwards to make this happen. 

[bsbcaer]

LordPaul256 wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Please use the search function...

For something that happened in the last few days?  Okay...

Ah, so it was brought up weeks ago that there was no information about it on Steam, and it was locked because someone was upsetting the "community" the same way I was by questioning why the game is being sold in pieces instead of all together and not on the most popular and easy-to-use digital download service online.

That helps me how?

Is the message, "Don't bother because we'll say it's your fault and get upset until someone locks the thread?"

You know, that's a fair response...Unless you know specifically what you're searching for, it's going to be difficult.  I understand your frustration and it's completely fair.  I don't understand the digital downloading in Europe nor any other options other than Steam.  I primarily game on Consoles and tend to be a rat pack (preferring things in physical rather than digital form).  From my understanding, there was some sort of disagreement between Bioware/EA and Steam that could not be resolved prior to the end of the Special Edition deal.  Im sorry that I don't have any solutions to your problem, but you may want to try contacting someone at bioware to see if they have any answers for you

[Dendens]

LordPaul256 wrote...

-snip-
Fine.  I could
have preordered it somewhere else by paying out the leg for shipping.  That's not really the point.  The
point is that it was never made obvious that this deal would be avaiable everywhere but Steam. 

-snip-

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

[LordPaul256]

just have to pay $7 more for your idiocy

And people are complaining that I'm not being civil?

I think it's blatantly obvious which side is the cause of these threads being locked down. 

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]Now
they do, but other digital distributors like D2D and Impulse, and even
game.uk offered the SE as a digital download when it was available[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

I've used D2D, and I refuse to use that horrible service again.  Impulse I have no idea.

The point isn't that it was available elsewhere, the point is that it was never available on Steam, and no one bothered to say anything about it except, "Wait and see." 

[ClayMeow]

How many threads/posts have to be created and locked for Bioware to realize that there is a problem here?

These threads basically boil down to two sides:

Side 1:
Waiting for Steam version, but it came after the SE promotion expired or didn't know about the SE version until it was too late, or simply just not liking that there's extra day one content that people now have to pay extra for to get.

Side 2:
Arguing that it's Side 1's fault for not following DA2 24/7 and jumping on the SE promotion right away.


Side 2 basically has no merit in the conversation and should just butt out. But that won't happen because they're trolls. So instead, threads get locked because Side 2 turns every thread Side 1 creates into a negative, argumentative one.

Modifié par ClayMeow, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:01 .

[Cuthlan]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...



http://www.game.co.u...atch/Countries/)/



*snip*



That didn't take me 20 hours. Took about 2 minutes.

Fine.  I could
have preordered it somewhere else by paying out the leg for shipping.  That's not really the point.  The
point is that it was never made obvious that this deal would be avaiable everywhere but Steam. 



And
why shouldn't it?  Valve is one of the most relaxed and
easy-to-work-with companies out there.  They just let a ton of game
companies sell their games for massively reduced prices over the
holidays by reducing their share of the profit.  They have - by far and
away - the best customer service in the industry.  Everything about the
company screams, "We want to serve our customers."



So why would they be the ones that wouldn't let the Signature Edition go through?  It makes no sense.  

 

I do not know why Valve and EA couldn't come to an agreement. I'm not sure if anyone knows but them.

But you could have purchased the Signature Edition if you had not taken a "Steam or nothing" approach.

Yes, it sucks that you cannot get that version of the game through your preferred vendor, but that is the way it is.

Also, I think someone said you can get the extra companion as DLC after release, so there is that option as well. Probably wont satisfy you, but at least it is an opportunity to get it.

[Morroian]

LordPaul256 wrote...

I can't imagine it's on Valve's end.  They have an excellent working relationship with everyone in the industry except Activision, but no one has a good relationship with Activision.  How many companies are they suing right now?

There are rumblings on the Steam boards about Valve wanting to exert more influence cause apparently 2011 looks like being the year digital sales surpass disc sales. 2 big players coming together its no wonder things might break down IMHO.

Modifié par Morroian, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:02 .

[Dendens]

LordPaul256 wrote...

just have to pay $7 more for your idiocy

And people are complaining that I'm not being civil?

I think it's blatantly obvious which side is the cause of these threads being locked down. 

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]Now
they do, but other digital distributors like D2D and Impulse, and even
game.uk offered the SE as a digital download when it was available[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

I've used D2D, and I refuse to use that horrible service again.  Impulse I have no idea.

The point isn't that it was available elsewhere, the point is that it was never available on Steam, and no one bothered to say anything about it except, "Wait and see." 

It is your own fault if you refuse to use another service.

[Morroian]

ClayMeow wrote...

How many threads/posts have to be created and locked for Bioware to realize that there is a problem here?

How many posts have to be made before you realise Bioware has nothing to do with distribution deals? 

I'm sure they realise people are unhappy but equally I'm sure there's nothing they can do about it.

[Cuthlan]

ClayMeow wrote...

How many threads/posts have to be created and locked for Bioware to realize that there is a problem here?

These threads basically boil down to two sides:

Side 1:
Waiting for Steam version, but it came after the SE promotion expired or didn't know about the SE version until it was too late, or simply just not liking that there's extra day one content that people now have to pay extra for to get.

Side 2:
Arguing that it's Side 1's fault for not following DA2 24/7 and jumping on the SE promotion right away.


Side 2 basically has no merit in the conversation and should just butt out. But that won't happen because they're trolls. So instead, threads get locked because Side 2 turns every thread Side 1 creates into a negative, argumentative one.

"Side 2" as you call it has as much merit in the conversation as anyone. This is not a Steam-users forum, any of us are allowed to post in threads made here.

This is not something Bioware did. What do you expect them to "realize"? This was EA and Valve.

Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

The situation is what it is. There were ways around it. But the ship has set sail.

[ClayMeow]

Yes, publishing/marketing is done by EA, but if you think that Bioware can't talk to EA about what's going on in the BIOWARE forums, then you're naive.

Modifié par ClayMeow, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:07 .

[thepiebaker]

ClayMeow wrote...

How many threads/posts have to be created and locked for Bioware to realize that there is a problem here?

These threads basically boil down to two sides:

Side 1:
Waiting for Steam version, but it came after the SE promotion expired or didn't know about the SE version until it was too late, or simply just not liking that there's extra day one content that people now have to pay extra for to get.

Side 2:
Arguing that it's Side 1's fault for not following DA2 24/7 and jumping on the SE promotion right away.


Side 2 basically has no merit in the conversation and should just butt out. But that won't happen because they're trolls. So instead, threads get locked because Side 2 turns every thread Side 1 creates into a negative, argumentative one.

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:lGEbL2MPeK6V7M:http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss314/Uroboros/Funny/7041Riveting_tale_chap.jpg&t=1[/img]
seriously. i rarely search the forums on here unless there is something going on like new DLC being announced/released different promotions and such.

with only visitng the forums for 5 minutes once a week or sometimes once a month (with the addition of getting up to date news through biowares, dragon age, and mass effect 2's facebook pages directly to my news feed) i knew about the signiture edition when it came out, and pre-ordered it.

if you dont find some way to get updates on things that are regularly updated such as this it's your own damn fault

[BTCentral]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Fine.  I could have preordered it somewhere else by paying out the leg for shipping.  That's not really the point.  The point is that it was never made obvious that this deal would be avaiable everywhere but Steam.

Firstly, it's not BioWare's job to make sure that the game is available via every single distribution system in existance.

Secondly, for all you know it could be Valve's fault the SE didn't get on Steam rather than EA/BioWare.
That'd fall safely into EA's hands, and even then they don't have to guarantee where it will appear.

And finally... unless I am much mistaken, the UK was the cheapest place worldwide to get the Signature Edition of Dragon Age 2. In the US, it was around $60, in Europe it was around 50 EUR, in the UK... it was £24.99 from a whole lot of retailers, including as mentioned, game.co.uk.

£24.99 = ~30EUR/$40. Switzerland is in Europe, and so it would have cost you a whole £2.95 extra for shipping.

Yeah. It's obviously a really bad idea to buy it from the most obvious nearest place abroad that's going to be selling the English edition, and that £2.95 shipping is so excessive.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:10 .

[LordPaul256]

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

[LordPaul256]

Switzerland is not in the EU.

[EclipticOlive54]

Cuthlan wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

How many threads/posts have to be created and locked for Bioware to realize that there is a problem here?

These threads basically boil down to two sides:

Side 1:
Waiting for Steam version, but it came after the SE promotion expired or didn't know about the SE version until it was too late, or simply just not liking that there's extra day one content that people now have to pay extra for to get.

Side 2:
Arguing that it's Side 1's fault for not following DA2 24/7 and jumping on the SE promotion right away.


Side 2 basically has no merit in the conversation and should just butt out. But that won't happen because they're trolls. So instead, threads get locked because Side 2 turns every thread Side 1 creates into a negative, argumentative one.

"Side 2" as you call it has as much merit in the conversation as anyone. This is not a Steam-users forum, any of us are allowed to post in threads made here.

This is not something Bioware did. What do you expect them to "realize"? This was EA and Valve.

Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

The situation is what it is. There were ways around it. But the ship has set sail.

Thank you!

[Reinnaert]

I doubt it was Valve's fault, or at least not as much as it was EA's fault. DA2 is available for pre-order now so most likely EA wanted some more in return for the Signature edition(less steam sales is more sales elsewhere). So far for my ignorant statement.

But like Cuthlan said "The situation is what it is. There were ways around it. But the ship has set sail."

Only thing you can hope for is that the bonus content will be made available on a later date.

[Zjarcal]

Dave of Canada wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

For living in Europe?

And how does living in Europe stop you, exactly?

It can stop him if some stores are region locked. I live in Central America and D2D, Impulse, and the EA Store were all region locked. There were other alternatives though, and Steam isn't region locked (thank the Maker!).

[LordPaul256]

Dendens wrote...

It is your own fault if you refuse to use another service.

How is it my fault if I never even knew that I would have to use another service? 

Who said I refused anything?

I was never even given the option to refuse.

[Reinnaert]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Switzerland is not in the EU.

EU means European Union as well as Europe, no?

[BTCentral]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Switzerland is not in the EU.

Yes, I typed the wrong word.

Though if you bothered to look at their delivery list it *is* listed under their European countries. And therefore you'd pay that amount for shipping.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:11 .

[ClayMeow]

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

If you read my whole post, you'd see what I was saying was that Side 2 is coming in and making the threads argumentative and thus getting them locked. Stop being trolls and then threads won't lock, and then you'll wind up seeing less of them overall.

[thepiebaker]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

you could have easily taken notice that everywhere but steam had the SE and contact either EA or steam and asked what was going on.

[exoproto]

Steam didn't let me purchase anything after I moved to Puerto Rico (along with a bunch of other sites and their ridiculous "Your IP is restricted" claims). I just went and found another retailer and pre-ordered the signature edition there instead. Impulse has proved reliable to me in the past, and I had no problems with going back to it.