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[Cuthlan]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

If I were to put any fault on Valve, I would at least say that they knew about the situation as well as Bioware and/or EA did. They could have made it known that they would not have the Signature Edition, too.

[Dendens]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

Google search has changed (obviously) as the SE has ended.
Forum searches, however, have not. type steam in the searchbar for the DA2 discussions. All your answers are there.

Maybe you would look for it because you can't find the preorder on steam?? Might be a bit of a giveaway. And even if the preorder for a SE had been made available on steam, you still would have been 3 days late

[Cuthlan]

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

If you read my whole post, you'd see what I was saying was that Side 2 is coming in and making the threads argumentative and thus getting them locked. Stop being trolls and then threads won't lock, and then you'll wind up seeing less of them overall.

Do you understand what a troll is? Because what I am doing is not that.

[ClayMeow]

Cuthlan wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

If I were to put any fault on Valve, I would at least say that they knew about the situation as well as Bioware and/or EA did. They could have made it known that they would not have the Signature Edition, too.

In Valve's defense, that would be a stupid business decision, as it would basically be saying "if you want the SE, you should go spend your money elsewhere."

[LordPaul256]

BTCentral wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

Switzerland is not in the EU.

Yes, I typed the wrong word.

Though if you bothered to look at their delivery list it *is* listed under their European countries. And therefore you'd pay that amount for shipping.

Again, if I am not told that the SE is not going to be available from Steam, why would I even need to look elsewhere?

Yeah, I let myself get into a digression by talking about it, but I only really responded because Switzerland is not part of the EU.

If I don't know that Steam - who controls over 70% of the digital download market - will have the SE, why would I think to look elsewhere.

And it's available now!  Literally the day after the SE sale was over.  That's one hell of a coincidence. 

[Morroian]

LordPaul256 wrote...

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

I don't understand why its so hard to understand that 2 major players in the market, who both want to put their own terms and conditions into any agreement, might fail to come to an acceptable agreement to both parties in the very short time frame that was required. 

[Dendens]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

It is your own fault if you refuse to use another service.

How is it my fault if I never even knew that I would have to use another service? 

Who said I refused anything?

I was never even given the option to refuse.

So wait, is your complaint that it wasn't made available for steam? or that it was only made available till the 11/1?

Because if your defence is "Oh it didn't show on my steam server, so how was I to know?".....

discussion end/

[Cuthlan]

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Yes it was. The devs told us so. A google search (or even a forum search) would have told you that much

Google search...

Huh.  Literally the first item:

"Bioware screws Steam users out of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition pre-order deal."

Google Link

That would be helpful... but if I had the prescience to know that the users of Steam were going to be left out of this, why would I look it up?  That's a Catch-22.

I still haven't found the dev post... and, again, why would I even know to look for it unless I already knew that Steam would be the one client that didn't get the deal.  Again, Catch-22. 

I still don't understand how it makes any sense for the largest digital download provider, one with a proven history of working to get the fans the games they want, is somehow at fault for this.  

If I were to put any fault on Valve, I would at least say that they knew about the situation as well as Bioware and/or EA did. They could have made it known that they would not have the Signature Edition, too.

In Valve's defense, that would be a stupid business decision, as it would basically be saying "if you want the SE, you should go spend your money elsewhere."

But it was the truth. If they did not tell their customers because they didn't want them to go elsewhere, they were deliberately keeping their customers in the dark. Which makes the lack of information, which the OP was upset about, as much their fault as anyone else's.

Modifié par Cuthlan, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:17 .

[BTCentral]

LordPaul256 wrote...

And it's available now!  Literally the day after the SE sale was over.  That's one hell of a coincidence.

The SE offer finished on the 11th not 13th, though yes, DA2 did come to Steam the day after the offer expired.

Actually, if you think about it, it's fairly logical.

The negotiations between EA and Valve obviously broke down before they could get the SE on to Steam (possibly due to the Christmas & New Year period, etc.), so they went ahead and at least managed to get the regular edition on there.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:18 .

[ClayMeow]

Cuthlan wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

If you read my whole post, you'd see what I was saying was that Side 2 is coming in and making the threads argumentative and thus getting them locked. Stop being trolls and then threads won't lock, and then you'll wind up seeing less of them overall.

Do you understand what a troll is? Because what I am doing is not that.

Troll = not contributing anything useful to a conversation. Posting for the sake of posting. Posting to annoy others.

That being said, I said Side 2 in general, not you specifically. If you wan't a specific example of a troll, go look at Dave of Canada's posts.

[addiction21]

LordPaul256 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

LordPaul256 wrote...

Switzerland is not in the EU.

Yes, I typed the wrong word.

Though if you bothered to look at their delivery list it *is* listed under their European countries. And therefore you'd pay that amount for shipping.

Again, if I am not told that the SE is not going to be available from Steam, why would I even need to look elsewhere?

Yeah, I let myself get into a digression by talking about it, but I only really responded because Switzerland is not part of the EU.

If I don't know that Steam - who controls over 70% of the digital download market - will have the SE, why would I think to look elsewhere.

And it's available now!  Literally the day after the SE sale was over.  That's one hell of a coincidence. 

When Steam had not added it to the list of games availiable for months why would you think they would be adding it?

When it has been a hotbed issue here and on the Steam forums/community where it was made clear weeks back it was never going to be on Steam why would wait?

The boat has sailed and your left fuming on the docks because you did nothing and expected someone to carry you onto said boat.

[Morroian]

LordPaul256 wrote...

Again, if I am not told that the SE is not going to be available from Steam, why would I even need to look elsewhere?

What do you want? A personal email? The info was available well before the deadline if you searched.

LordPaul256 wrote...

And it's available now!  Literally the day after the SE sale was over.  That's one hell of a coincidence. 

Oh great now we get this chestnut again. I'll repeat what I've said before its quite likely that negotations broke down at some point last year at which time it was decided it was going to be too late to get the SE on Steam so they negotiated a standard agreement for the regular edition which was to be effective 12/1/11.  As soon as the deadline on the SE expires bang they and Valve are ready with the regular edition.

[ClayMeow]

scyphozoa wrote...

But then I realized that Bioware ACTUALLY sent out little reminder emails to buy the SE before the deadline.

I can't speak for the OP or others, but the only email I received in regards to the SE was on Jan 7th telling me I had three days left, and unfortunately, I was out of town. After visiting the forums here, I discovered the offer has been around for three months, but then EA/Bioware should have sent out an email months ago, they shouldn't rely on people checking the forums every day.

[LordPaul256]

You know,



If this is an hourly topic like people claim it is (I'm seeing no evidence of this on the front page) then why not make a sticky addressing the issue? It could even say that further threads will be locked down. I wouldn't have posted if there was clear evidence that this was an issue, which it appears to be.

[Dave of Canada]

ClayMeow wrote...

That being said, I said Side 2 in general, not you specifically. If you wan't a specific example of a troll, go look at Dave of Canada's posts.

Didn't know pointing out the obvious was trolling.

[thepiebaker]

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

If you read my whole post, you'd see what I was saying was that Side 2 is coming in and making the threads argumentative and thus getting them locked. Stop being trolls and then threads won't lock, and then you'll wind up seeing less of them overall.

Do you understand what a troll is? Because what I am doing is not that.

Troll = not contributing anything useful to a conversation. Posting for the sake of posting. Posting to annoy others.

That being said, I said Side 2 in general, not you specifically. If you wan't a specific example of a troll, go look at Dave of Canada's posts.

wrong. a troll tries to trick and decieve and get some sort of reaction out of you. usually through getting you pissed or insecure about yourself.

ways of trolling include but not liimited to: pretending to be a girl online when you're actually a guy, being something like a schoolyard bully, and pulling pranks

[Dave of Canada]

LordPaul256 wrote...

You know,

If this is an hourly topic like people claim it is (I'm seeing no evidence of this on the front page) then why not make a sticky addressing the issue? It could even say that further threads will be locked down. I wouldn't have posted if there was clear evidence that this was an issue, which it appears to be.

There was a sticky, it degenerated into nonsense and was locked as a result.

[Reinnaert]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

That being said, I said Side 2 in general, not you specifically. If you wan't a specific example of a troll, go look at Dave of Canada's posts.

Didn't know pointing out the obvious was trolling.

You troll! (cool canadian userbar though)

ot: if I wasn't such a Bioware fanboy I wouldn't have known about the signature edition. Even if you would check the months minus 1 day before the release date you just wouldn't be on time. And really, most SE's are closer available to the release date.

Modifié par Reinnaert, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:26 .

[Dendens]

LordPaul256 wrote...

You know,

If this is an hourly topic like people claim it is (I'm seeing no evidence of this on the front page) then why not make a sticky addressing the issue? It could even say that further threads will be locked down. I wouldn't have posted if there was clear evidence that this was an issue, which it appears to be.

There was, but it degenerated into people using expletives against bioware instead of actual discussion. So lock, and unsticky

[AlanC9]

scyphozoa wrote...
What baffles me is that people know about the Signature Edition. They know they want it, they know all the shiny bonus features in includes - BUT they don't know the parameters for buying it. Knowing where to buy the product you want or when the deadline is to buy it before it becomes unavailable are the consumer's responsibility. Believe me, if Bioware/EA could send you reminder emails without you signing up first, I'm sure they would. But you are responsible as the consumer for doing the legwork to do product research. 

Yeah, that's confusing me too. I don't see how you find out that you want the SE without knowing when the deadline was for the upgrade.

[StormbringerGT]

Seriously I dont understand why everyone is attacking the guy. It is confusing that Steam isn't getting the Signature edition for some reason.



But to be fair LordPaul, we don't know whos fault this is. It could be EA's or Valves. Hard to tell. I don't really think its Biowares fault.



Also I don't think Steam isnt selling Signature editions to be mean. I mean from a company stand point would they want to have the same products their competitors have? In this case the signature edition thats being sold elsewhere.



Theres more here than meets the eye. I know Steam charges heavily for companies to sell on their platform. Like strippers at a strip club. Maybe a deal couldn't be worked out.



In any case an official answer would help clear things up!

[Cuthlan]

thepiebaker wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Those of us on "Side 2" are as tired of seeing ten of these threads a day as those of you on "Side 1" are of us coming in your threads.

If you read my whole post, you'd see what I was saying was that Side 2 is coming in and making the threads argumentative and thus getting them locked. Stop being trolls and then threads won't lock, and then you'll wind up seeing less of them overall.

Do you understand what a troll is? Because what I am doing is not that.

Troll = not contributing anything useful to a conversation. Posting for the sake of posting. Posting to annoy others.

That being said, I said Side 2 in general, not you specifically. If you wan't a specific example of a troll, go look at Dave of Canada's posts.

wrong. a troll tries to trick and decieve and get some sort of reaction out of you. usually through getting you pissed or insecure about yourself.

ways of trolling include but not liimited to: pretending to be a girl online when you're actually a guy, being something like a schoolyard bully, and pulling pranks

Well... kind of.

It comes from trolling, which is a kind of fishing where you pull bait through the water.

They post something negative/inflammatory (pulling bait through the water) to see if they can get anyone to react.

[BTCentral]

StormbringerGT wrote...

In any case an official answer would help clear things up!

You'll probably find that's not possible under penalty of death a non-disclosure agreement.

[LordPaul256]

Dave of Canada wrote...

There was a sticky, it degenerated into nonsense and was locked as a result.

Dendens wrote...

There was, but it degenerated into people using expletives against bioware instead of actual discussion. So lock, and unsticky

So
why not keep the sticky locked, as well?  Like, the second it was posted.  I don't mean to be a jerk, but it's not exactly a foreign concept in online forums.

Is it any surprise that this has become an "hourly post" when, A) people are really upset about this and, there's no evidence on the front page that anyone else has posted about this?

StormbringerGT wrote...

Theres more here than
meets the eye. I know Steam charges heavily for companies to sell on
their platform. Like strippers at a strip club. Maybe a deal couldn't be
worked out.

In any case an official answer would help clear things up!

Why would anyone sell on Steam if it would cost them extra money?  I can't imagine Steam became a powerhouse from convincing company after company to release games for their DDS at an extra cost.  It would also not explain the constant sales in the slightest.  

I mean, thank you for not attacking me, but that last little part you posted just seems off given my information.  If you have a link that proves otherwise, I am always willing to know more about these things for future discussions.

*Edited because the post came out Xbox HUGE for some reason*

Modifié par LordPaul256, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:38 .