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[Kristofer1]

I'm curious. Are they lazy? Stupid? Did I miss something? Ive never been able to figure out why they didn't colonize another world outside of Geth Space. There are plenty of world where they could have gone. The Humans have colonized worlds since the Geth incident, so haven't the other council races. So why not Quarians? Its not like they would have had trouble, they've been surviving in space.

I'm just flabbergasted that they never attempted to colonize another world.  I dont hate the quarians or anything of the sort. I understand that they would like their homeworld and former colonies back. But seriously, they should have realized after a couple of years that wasnt likely to happen.

On another topic, if their ships are so clean, why when Shepard goes on are they in their suits? Didn't it say in one of the books that the quarians live outside of the enviro suits when on their ships?

[Bullets McDeath]

Yes, they are lazy. And filthy. Shifty, too. I'm pretty sure one stole my credit chit.

[thatguy212]

they don't colonize a new world because it would take hundreds of years (i think) before they would not need their suits but with their homeworld it would take alot less, they don't colonize because not alot of worlds are good for them and the ones that are the council already promised to other races, haven't read the books so i don't know about living outside their suits

[Kristofer1]

They could have went outside of "council space" after the loss of their worlds. colonized new worlds, and low and behold create a new area of council space. They would not have needed to adapt to no suits if the colonized immediately instead of begging around the galaxy.

[ReluctantMind]

My speculation is that they didn't colonize following the Morning War for several reasons. They were pretty traumatized what with the vast majority of their species being wiped out. They were terrified of the Geth following them, even if that logically was not going to happen, and wanted to keep mobile. They quickly built up a fantasy of returning to their homeworld which over the years became more of a necessity as their immune systems deteriorated. Additionally, the council races blamed them for the Geth and likely ostracized them from the moment the soon to be Migrant Fleet left the Perseus Veil. This prevented them from finding a suitable world even if they had been physically and psychologically able to settle on one. They were even expelled from one world they tried to colonize without permission, if I remember right. I've always been of the opinion that the current Quarians are more deserving of sympathy than scorn, but there are plenty of people on both sides.

[Rogue Unit]

Lazy in addition to thieves.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

If the Morning war had happened 100 years ago I'd be more inclined to feel more sympathy for them. But its been 300 years. They've done nothing to really try and make their lives better. They seem content to come up with half baked ideas of beating the far far stronger Geth and come triumphantly back to their homeworld... they live in a fairy tale.



With all their ships and the weapons on the 'war ships' they have they could have found a planet outside Council space started colonizing it and adapting to it. Using the resources and tech from the thousands of ships that they have and the weapons for protection. It would be hard but I think they could have made it. With all the weapons that the old ships have along with having trained marines any Quarian colony would be the most well defended colonies out there.



But they havn't. I give credit to the few that are starting that now but after 300 years if there weren't at least a few that were looking for a new planet by now than I'd be inclined to believe that the Quarians are braindead as a people.

[oldag07]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If the Morning war had happened 100 years ago I'd be more inclined to feel more sympathy for them. But its been 300 years. They've done nothing to really try and make their lives better. They seem content to come up with half baked ideas of beating the far far stronger Geth and come triumphantly back to their homeworld... they live in a fairy tale.

With all their ships and the weapons on the 'war ships' they have they could have found a planet outside Council space started colonizing it and adapting to it. Using the resources and tech from the thousands of ships that they have and the weapons for protection. It would be hard but I think they could have made it. With all the weapons that the old ships have along with having trained marines any Quarian colony would be the most well defended colonies out there.

But they havn't. I give credit to the few that are starting that now but after 300 years if there weren't at least a few that were looking for a new planet by now than I'd be inclined to believe that the Quarians are braindead as a people.

Why 100? Why not 50, or 40, or 1000.  There are many parts of this world where hateds have lasted thousands of years.  Why is this any different?

[Bullets McDeath]

To be serious for a moment, I think it is a combination of a lack of available/suitable worlds to colonize and a general racial pride that makes them want to wait until they can take the homeworld back.

[Rogue Unit]

The quarians should give their homeworld up as a lost cause. The geth have superior numbers, superior technology, they can create troops more rapidly, they are more durable, etc.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

oldag07 wrote...

Why 100? Why not 50, or 40, or 1000.  There are many parts of this world where hateds have lasted thousands of years.  Why is this any different?

People who allow hate to control every aspect of their lives are dead already and I have no pity for them. I said 50-100 years to account for the first generation's pure shock over what happened and trying to fix what had happened. That would have been mildy acceptable that they'd be so uterly shell shocked that logic might not come into their mind.

Now they are just wallowing in their hate/racial pride/ and belng fatalists that believe the only world they can live on is the homeworld. The people in charge should think about what is best for their people and for 300 years they've failed. If you're going to let all your people's entire future just be about how something bad happen and don't even try other ways to make it better outside of some fairy tale they have of taking it back by force than they deserve no sympathy.

[Dean_the_Young]

Their biggest concern is that if they stop, the Geth will come by and stomp them flat since they've kindly stopped to stay in one playce..



Which, when one considers that the original Migrant Fleet is what escaped the victorious Geth, is a pretty reasonable.

[Bullets McDeath]

Rogue Unit wrote...

The quarians should give their
homeworld up as a lost cause. The geth have superior numbers, superior
technology, they can create troops more rapidly, they are more durable,
etc.

Frankly, most of the lore regarding Quarians is sort of dubious. They are the way they are because that's how Bioware wanted them to be. Now, I'll be ducking out of this thread before the Talimancers swoop in and ruin everything (which is what they live to do).

Modifié par outlaworacle, 15 janvier 2011 - 01:50 .

[Praetor Knight]

outlaworacle wrote...

Now, I'll be ducking out of this thread before the Talimancers swoop in and ruin everything (which is what they live to do).

I wonder why you would believe that? Hmm...




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And I don't think it is laziness on the Quarians part, they seem to be spending too much time trying to maintain their old ships than to seriously be doing anything else.

Their ruling structure with ship captains and so on can't really help all that much either (I picture it, like trying to herd cats), but meh.

[The Almighty Ali]

Their immune system is exceptionally low, thus why they wear the suits. Infact if you Romance Tali in ME2 then she needs to take several medications to enhance her immune system so she doesn't die when you remove her mask and even then she gets ill afterwards.



Having them colonize another planet with a completely different environment then in their homeplanet would not only be incredibly dangerous but also take possibly centuries until they can live there and not run the risk of dying if their suits would get torn by accident.



Besides if humanity was kicked out of Earth, naturally we would want to return to it.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Their biggest concern is that if they stop, the Geth will come by and stomp them flat since they've kindly stopped to stay in one playce..

Which, when one considers that the original Migrant Fleet is what escaped the victorious Geth, is a pretty reasonable.

Again this argument is only valid for a couple decades of being on the Fleet before it gets ridiculous. The Geth never followed the Quarians when they left the Veil and have never attacked them or anyone else in 300 years.

There is no valid reason for the Quarians not giving colonization a try the only thing stopping them is themselves.

@Ali you're right it would take centuries to get use to a new planet... wait how long have they wasted their time and their lives aimlessly wandering space? That's right Centuries! If the original Quarians had sucked it up and tried to find a new world Tali and everyone else might be walking around a nice planet without helmets on.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[Dean_the_Young]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Again this argument is only valid for a couple decades of being on the Fleet before it gets ridiculous. The Geth never followed the Quarians when they left the Veil and have never attacked them or anyone else in 300 years.

Geth and Quarians have been fighting small fights over the 300 years.

That the Geth haven't come after the Quarians in mass can be explained by the fact that moving in mass gives them a common protection and mobility. If they settle, they give the Geth an easier target: simply because the Geth don't attack anyone else doesn't mean they wouldn't attack the Quarians if the Quarians made it easy enough.

There is no valid reason for the Quarians not giving colonization a try the only thing stopping them is themselves.

Sure there is. You just don't accept it.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Dean_the_Young wrote...


Geth and Quarians have been fighting small fights over the 300 years.

That the Geth haven't come after the Quarians in mass can be explained by the fact that moving in mass gives them a common protection and mobility. If they settle, they give the Geth an easier target: simply because the Geth don't attack anyone else doesn't mean they wouldn't attack the Quarians if the Quarians made it easy enough.

The Geth are isolasionists, all they want is for everyone to leave them alone. Any and all small fights have been instigated by the Quarians trying to find a way to retake their homeworld by force. They send soilders into Geth space to find info so they can use against them and then the Geth kill them because they're an enemy combatent invading their territory. The Geth have never left the Veil for 300 years. The fights are started by the Quarians, the Geth just finish them.

"When creators have thought victory is possible they have attacked 100% of the time." Legion

Sure there is. You just don't accept it.

No they don't.  If the Geth wanted to kill the Quarians all they'd have to do is destroy their life ships and pow the Quarians go extinct. Its not hard to track a huge fleet down using the Relays any person who thought of this logically would be able to tell that the only ones interested in continuing the war are the Quarians.

[xlavaina]

OP the answer to your question is completely explained in detail, by Tali, in her loyalty mission.

[wulf3n]

xlavaina wrote...
OP the answer to your question is completely explained in detail, by Tali, in her loyalty mission.

I've found the information about the quarians, in both the codex and whats been said, to be poorly thought out and a lot of it doesn't make sense.

[Vaenier]

They have gone above and beyond to maintain the Battlestar Galactica ripoff. They have tried to invent reasons like their immune systems and alien hostility, while ignoring the fact they already ****ed their immune systems by staying in suits and have the largest known standing fleet in the galaxy...

[Sajuro]

I was under the impression that no wanted them on their worlds and Quarian soldiers aren't exactly going to be able to go toe to toe with any other military (except Volus, but the pressure on those worlds is too high) 

[marshalleck]

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 janvier 2011 - 03:48 .

[Suron]

I reall like the quarians but fact is it -IS- a really stupid and not-well-thought-out explanation.



as already said...if the quarians had just gone ahead and found a planet and started adapting....Tali would be walking around without her suit.



so it boils down to 2 things....either the Quarians are just extreme idiots..or BioWare dropped the ball on this one with a half-assed "story"



it's their own damn fault at this point...no sympathy