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[Madman123456]

Maybe they fear that the Geth will came after them when the settle down somewhere; i think the Location of the Fleet is supposed to be a secret. Which would be stupid because they mine in inhabited Systems and i'm pretty sure they can figure the geth will monitor the extranet.

Bioware never made a point that the migrant fleet is hard to find.



Maybe the Quarians want to be mobile, most of them are on the fleet which has some Ships with big weapons. If the Quarians where on a planet the geth could just drop stuff on it, like maybe an Asteroid or a space station or something.



This is a flimsy excuse, floating around in space is just so massively stupid that any reasoning one can come up with is going to be like cardboard.



The Quarians could settle down on pretty much any "dead" Planet, like Mars maybe. The couldn't breath the Air, but even if an airfilter breaks down or the hull breaches because of old age you'd have like triple the time to fix it since the pressure difference is smaller then in Space. You could survive in the Atmosphere of mars longer then you could in space. And Mining has to be easier then it is in Space.



So even a dead world like Mars would be better then the hostile environment of Space.

[Xeranx]

If I remember correctly, wasn't there some piece of dialogue in-game where Tali said something to the effect that they recover from colds quickly? I think Grunt, himself, says they're hardy people. So why didn't Shepard or Mordin or anyone try to talk to Tali about this? It seems like what Ispeak said: they do this to themselves and have deluded themselves into thinking the way they do.



With everything above they're state is absolutely ironic.

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

poor Quarians, no one likes the space gypsies.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

That's why you colonize on a planet that isn't in Council space.

[James2912]

Sajuro wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

poor Quarians, no one likes the space gypsies.

Another reason I dont like the council, they're space bullies.

[Sajuro]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

That's why you colonize on a planet that isn't in Council space.

Except if you want protection from pirates that haunt the terminus system

Modifié par Sajuro, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:12 .

[marshalleck]

Oh, so now we're moving the goalposts? First it's "the quarians are lazy and dumb because they never tried to colonize anything!" Then, when that's shown to be ignorant, it becomes "the quarians are dumb because they don't try to colonize outside Council space."

Don't get me wrong, if you just don't like quarians because you think they're space gypsies, or ripping off Battlestar Galactica or whatever, that's fine. But people could at least read the in-game codex or search the Mass Effect Wiki if something about the game is really bothering them, before starting a thread and saying the game is full of plot holes or whatever. You lacking information doesn't mean the game is poorly written, nor that Bioware is lazy, or that the quarians are lazy and dumb for not attempting to colonize other worlds when they actually have attempted it in the past.

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:13 .

[Badpie]

I've always thought it was kind of dumb that they didn't find someplace. It's mostly their pride. They want their world, which is lost forever whether they want to admit it or not. Putting down roots would be a big job and yeah they'd have to live in their suits in order to terra form or whatever but they're living in their suits anyway and just making their gene pool worse and worse the longer they go without making a home for themselves. Not to mention the ships on the flotilla are not that great, they live in cramped quarters and people have lots of accidents due to the shabby nature of the ships.



I get that you feel drawn to your home world, but none of you have ever even seen it. So I'm sorry. Get over it. Move on.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

True, the Council doesn't treat the Quarians right.... But the problem with the Quarians is that they arne't pro-active. They get denied a planet in Council space do they try to find one outside Council space? Nope, they just cry and spend another century floating around.

[Sajuro]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

True, the Council doesn't treat the Quarians right.... But the problem with the Quarians is that they arne't pro-active. They get denied a planet in Council space do they try to find one outside Council space? Nope, they just cry and spend another century floating around.

And what do you think the current inhabitants of that planet would do to them? Then there would be the raiders who'd attack the Quarians since without their ships they are an easy target. There's more to colonizing a planet than just setting down on it and planting a flag.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Sajuro wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

That's why you colonize on a planet that isn't in Council space.

Except if you want protection from pirates that haunt the terminus system

There are plenty of people that settle in non-Council controlled worlds and they manage to survive. Plus did you forget about the ships in the Fleet that have weapons? All those ships would have to do is patrol over a small section of the planet where the colony is. Then they could use the resources from the Migrant Fleet to quickly build a rather large colony to start with. LIke I've said many times with the Quarian marines and the ships they have that are able to fight patroling the area you'd have a very well defended colony.

At the end of the day its worth a shot. Try to have a life on a planet or slowly rot and die floating around the galaxy.

[Slayer299]

Kristofer1 wrote...

I'm curious. Are they lazy? Stupid? Did I miss something? Ive never been able to figure out why they didn't colonize another world outside of Geth Space. There are plenty of world where they could have gone. The Humans have colonized worlds since the Geth incident, so haven't the other council races. So why not Quarians? Its not like they would have had trouble, they've been surviving in space.

I'm just flabbergasted that they never attempted to colonize another world.  I dont hate the quarians or anything of the sort. I understand that they would like their homeworld and former colonies back.

The Quarians have tried colonizing and the CC told them to pack up or they'd have the colony bombarded from space.

[marshalleck]

Except they aren't slowly rotting and dying. They've achieved a sort of delicate homeostasis. They're facing an existential crisis, and upsetting that balance is not something that should be taken lightly. Let's also not forget that the quarians alive now are not the ones that originally fled their homeworld; they were all born on the flotilla, and travelling space is what they know. There are powerful cultural forces at work amongst the quarians which compels them to follow the path they're on. It's a natural conservative tendency (in people at least, and since aliens in ME are essentially human cultural archetypes, it applies to quarians as well) to resist change as long as all your basic needs are being met...and on the quarian flotilla, they have family, they produce their own food, and they have protection from a hostil galactic society that tends to regard them as criminals and thieves. They're safe.

To say they are just lazy and stupid is a gross mischaracterization and to me at least it suggests OP has perhaps not really given this part of the ongoing ME story more than very cursory, shallow consideration.

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:38 .

[V-rex]

I can understand the stubborn nature of the Quarians wanting to return to their homeworld, after all, everyone would want to go back some day. But what bothers me is that in three hundred years not only have they not done a single thing about going to their homeworld, they haven't really tried to find anywhere else either. Or at least, not since the first time. As others said, there would be nothing stopping them from taking a NON Council space planet as their own. They have the resources to do it and they have had the capacity to do it for three centuries, they just never did do it.
True though, that doesn't justify the Council being less then friendly to the Quarians then they tried to settle on another planet (quite the dick move really)

Plus, my other major problem with them is how they are still all aching to go to war with the Geth. This isn't just me talking as a known Geth fan here either, this is just me pointing out something:

They want to go to war with the Geth because the Geth almost wiped out their entire race and drove them from their homeworld. If you ask I would have thought the fact that the Geth almost wiped out their entire race and drove them from their homeworld is a pretty good reason NOT to go to war with them.

I mean think about it, they are now less twenty million in total population, they have weakened immune systems and all their weapons and tech are very dated. If they ever actually DID try to go into all out war with the Geth, it would be a slaughter house.

There are enough Quarians that want to make peace with the Geth or at least, want to get over the war and move on, but their views are constantly at odds with the ones who do want to make war and retake the homeworld and so hence, they don't do anything because they can't agree on something and they drift for another hundred years.

I'd say that lack of solidarity is the main problem the Quarians have, there are too many who want to go to war (and almost certainly get themselves killed) and there are only just enough who want to make peace with the Geth and maybe try to find a new home.
And of course, if both these groups of Quarians split up into different factions and tried to complete their respective goals independantly they would have less chance of survival being cut off from the others.
So basically, it's something of a continuous problem.
So it's not that Quarians are lazy or anything like that, I see it more like stubborn and indecisive.

That's at least how I see it anyway, Plus if what Legion is saying is correct, they could possibly just march on in and reclaim the homeworld right away, provided they weren't going to make war with the Geth in the process, and if that is true then it really makes the Quarians hard to sympathise with.

Also, please do not attack me for my opinions if I got any facts messed up, this is just how I see things.

Modifié par V-rex, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:38 .

[Sajuro]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

That's why you colonize on a planet that isn't in Council space.

Except if you want protection from pirates that haunt the terminus system

There are plenty of people that settle in non-Council controlled worlds and they manage to survive. Plus did you forget about the ships in the Fleet that have weapons? All those ships would have to do is patrol over a small section of the planet where the colony is. Then they could use the resources from the Migrant Fleet to quickly build a rather large colony to start with. LIke I've said many times with the Quarian marines and the ships they have that are able to fight patroling the area you'd have a very well defended colony.

At the end of the day its worth a shot. Try to have a life on a planet or slowly rot and die floating around the galaxy.

Okay, they have their ships patrolling that small area? Where will the ships get the fuel? Where will the Quarians get the resources since no one likes to trade with them? What about a ground based assault originating from another part of the planet? The Quarians only had to worry about ship combat and the occassional  planet side combat on their research runs. They don't have Makos like the pirates do, they don't have the weaponry to fend off a ground invasion and I don't think that their fleet is armed for orbital bombardment (since the council would probably attack them if they did, or say it was an act of war) and even if they were what about when the attackers were in the colony? Would they bombard their own colony made from the resources  taken from their ships? What if they Geth did come to curbstomp the Quarian's again? What if they had to retreat n a hurry, they would be leaving valuable manpower and supplies planet side. It's better for the Quarians to float around until they can get some protection from the council.

[marshalleck]

Sajuro wrote...
It's better for the Quarians to float around until they can get some protection from the council.

Enter humanity on the galactic stage. 

If the Systems Alliance were smart, we'd find a habitable world somewhere in the skyllian verge and offer it to the quarians. The quarians are some of the best starship engineers and indisputably the best AI researchers in the galaxy, and that could potentially be an ace in the sleeve for humanity diplomatically and technologically when it comes to leveraging humanity's interests vs. the council's.

Not to mention the huge political victory it could be over the Council, showing how compassionate and selfless humanity is to offer one of its own worlds to the refugees of a nearly genocidal war. Not that this is the true aim of course--just the public face of it. Embarass the Council and gain unfettered access to some of the best experts in the galaxy for cutting edge AI research in one move. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:51 .

[Last Vizard]

They should come to Australia, that'll toughen them up... wait they're like space boat people... never mind.

lol but seriously they should've colonized an asteroid field, clean environmeant plus all the resources near by to build a very impressive space station.

[Last Vizard]

marshalleck wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
It's better for the Quarians to float around until they can get some protection from the council.

Enter humanity on the galactic stage. 

If the Systems Alliance were smart, we'd find a habitable world somewhere in the skyllian verge and offer it to the quarians. The quarians are some of the best starship engineers and indisputably the best AI researchers in the galaxy, and that could potentially be an ace in the sleeve for humanity diplomatically and technologically when it comes to leveraging humanity's interests vs. the council's. 

I like how you think.

[zmanwithaplan]

Colonizing a new world would take an incredible ammount of effort, even if a suitable candidate was found for the Quarians. 300 years of nomadic life would likely have set them back technologically, they may not have the spare resources available to spend on a potential world.
With only 17 million Quarians, the need for an entire planet isn't exactly pressing. Even if they DID find a suitable planet, their population is smaller than modern day Shanghai, a relative speck on the surface of the planet.

While the geth remain a believable threat to the entire Quarian race, is spending enormous resources (which can be used to militerize) on colonizing really necessary?

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
It's better for the Quarians to float around until they can get some protection from the council.

Enter humanity on the galactic stage. 

If the Systems Alliance were smart, we'd find a habitable world somewhere in the skyllian verge and offer it to the quarians. The quarians are some of the best starship engineers and indisputably the best AI researchers in the galaxy, and that could potentially be an ace in the sleeve for humanity diplomatically and technologically when it comes to leveraging humanity's interests vs. the council's. 

They could be our first client race?

[Dionkey]

James2912 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The quarians have tried to colonize another world. The Council threatened to attack them, and then gave the planet to the elcor.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

poor Quarians, no one likes the space gypsies.

Another reason I dont like the council, they're space bullies.

I blame the quarians for them trying to push the blame on everyone. They try to make a sentient race and then enslave them and continue to whine when their homeworld gets wiped out and then. they jump the gun to grab a new one without permission. I wouldn't have taken it away from them but they are giant whiners. You can't unleash a massive threat on the galaxy because of your laziness and ignorance and not own up to it.

[BrutalWolfs]

Most worlds can't be coliniesed by the Quarians... Their immune systems are very weak from living on the Floatilla for so long.

[marshalleck]

Last Vizard wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
It's better for the Quarians to float around until they can get some protection from the council.

Enter humanity on the galactic stage. 

If the Systems Alliance were smart, we'd find a habitable world somewhere in the skyllian verge and offer it to the quarians. The quarians are some of the best starship engineers and indisputably the best AI researchers in the galaxy, and that could potentially be an ace in the sleeve for humanity diplomatically and technologically when it comes to leveraging humanity's interests vs. the council's. 

I like how you think.

I added a bit more. And now that I think about it, if the quarians did settle a planet in the verge, that would in the long term strengthen humanity's presence vs. batarian slavers and raiders. In fact it would pretty much push them out entirely--there's no way they could handle both SA and quarian military patrols in the verge. So there's a territorial gain as well. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:57 .

[Last Vizard]

BrutalWolfs wrote...

Most worlds can't be coliniesed by the Quarians... Their immune systems are very weak from living on the Floatilla for so long.

Quarians don't get sick, they have alergic reactions to bacteria, either Tali or the Quarian codex will tell you.

[In Exile]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Their immune system is exceptionally low, thus why they wear the suits. Infact if you Romance Tali in ME2 then she needs to take several medications to enhance her immune system so she doesn't die when you remove her mask and even then she gets ill afterwards.

Having them colonize another planet with a completely different environment then in their homeplanet would not only be incredibly dangerous but also take possibly centuries until they can live there and not run the risk of dying if their suits would get torn by accident.

Besides if humanity was kicked out of Earth, naturally we would want to return to it.

This bit of kick-in-the-nuts to biology makes my brain bleed. Evolution does not work this way! Yes, mutations accumulate if there is no selective pressure, but that isn't something that would knock out a species entire immune system. Even if you have mutations that knock out the immune system in individuals come up, there aren't enough generations to actually have something like that diffuse in the population.

That the quarians have the problems they do is basically magic.