Kane-Corr wrote...
AND...EDI used the IFF...NOT the same thing....that was just an Identify Friend Foe device. Plus...Indoctrination does not work on AI...look at the Geth. They aren't indoctrinated, but just believe that they should follow the Reapers. As explained by Legion. So...you cannot compare EDI and Shepard at all. Two totally different instances.
Pwner1323 wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
AND...EDI used the IFF...NOT the same thing....that was just an Identify Friend Foe device. Plus...Indoctrination does not work on AI...look at the Geth. They aren't indoctrinated, but just believe that they should follow the Reapers. As explained by Legion. So...you cannot compare EDI and Shepard at all. Two totally different instances.
People take this game's lore too seriously.....
Modifié par Kane-Corr, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:55 .
Pwner1323 wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
AND...EDI used the IFF...NOT the same thing....that was just an Identify Friend Foe device. Plus...Indoctrination does not work on AI...look at the Geth. They aren't indoctrinated, but just believe that they should follow the Reapers. As explained by Legion. So...you cannot compare EDI and Shepard at all. Two totally different instances.
People take this game's lore too seriously.....
Modifié par punt172o, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:59 .
Kane-Corr wrote...
With Mass 2...you have to look at it as a transition game. They couldn't go crazy with a ton of things because then they would make it harder to develop.
Also too...it IS like a loooong time into the future. The technology could very well exist. I mean, there are freaking Relays that propel you faster than light!
In present day Earth, they (scientists/doctors) are making discoveries daily, finding out that Death may not be what we previously thought. The whole idea behind death has constantly evolved over time. Since bringing people back to life doesn't work in our time period, and we DON'T know yet, then how would an explanation in-game make any difference? It wouldn't. So, Bioware left some ambiguity there.
Just fill in the pieces with your imagination and move along. Some things just don't have a definitive answer...you have to discover it for yourself.
desonnac00 wrote...
Scientifically, the Lazarus project IS SOUND!
Check it people. No, it isn't explained well, but IT IS POSSIBLE.
A human being is like a computer. Within our DNA is the memory of every single ancestor- that includes EVERYTHING. Facial stricture, memories, hair color, how to talk, walk, etc. That memory is the hard drive. It is NOT power dependant. OUR memories. The one we acquire SINCE BIRTH are RAM. They ARE power dependant. Shut down the power- it's gone. BUT the body also copies the RAM on to the hard drive. That's why people with amnesia sometimes recover memories of their entire life BEFORE the trauma that got them. Having Just a piece of Sheps body IS ENOUGH to reconstruct him/her. In present day, such tech to read DNA efectively is not available, but the science behind it IS SOUND. Unfortunetly, Bioware doesn't bother much with science in this sci-fi epic, but the fundamental principal is not outrageous. People who say: But how did Sheps brain survive- It DIDN'T and it didn't have to.
To anyone who want to debunk me- This is still a more or less radical idea in modern day science and I do realise it sounds ridiculous to some/most of you, but again- The basic principle is SOUND.
After reading the DNA, It's just a matter of "building" Shep. Yes, you need tech to to remake the brain, synaptic pathways, essentially WRITE his/her memories once more with would be a rather traumatic expirience but bottom line- possible- yes. Easy- NO, but possible- yes.
punt172o wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
With Mass 2...you have to look at it as a transition game. They couldn't go crazy with a ton of things because then they would make it harder to develop.
Also too...it IS like a loooong time into the future. The technology could very well exist. I mean, there are freaking Relays that propel you faster than light!
In present day Earth, they (scientists/doctors) are making discoveries daily, finding out that Death may not be what we previously thought. The whole idea behind death has constantly evolved over time. Since bringing people back to life doesn't work in our time period, and we DON'T know yet, then how would an explanation in-game make any difference? It wouldn't. So, Bioware left some ambiguity there.
Just fill in the pieces with your imagination and move along. Some things just don't have a definitive answer...you have to discover it for yourself.
They could of easily just copied and pasted what you said, put it into a codex in game and called it "Lazarus Project Theory" and I would of been fine with that.
The point is they didn't do ****! lol
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah, but I mean...the whole point of the game wasn't about the Lazarus Project....ya know? It happened yeah, now fill in the pieces with your imagination....that's what I mean. I understand what your saying...but I'm sure Bioware figured the more ambiguity thrown in there the better for maintaining stability in staying accurate to true answers.
Maybe Cerberus will attempt this again, or maybe the Alliance will seize Cerberus' findings and explain them to teh galaxy...like bringing people back from the dead, in a larger light.
Modifié par punt172o, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .
desonnac00 wrote...
Scientifically, the Lazarus project IS SOUND!
Check it people. No, it isn't explained well, but IT IS POSSIBLE.
A human being is like a computer. Within our DNA is the memory of every single ancestor- that includes EVERYTHING. Facial stricture, memories, hair color, how to talk, walk, etc. That memory is the hard drive. It is NOT power dependant. OUR memories. The one we acquire SINCE BIRTH are RAM. They ARE power dependant. Shut down the power- it's gone. BUT the body also copies the RAM on to the hard drive. That's why people with amnesia sometimes recover memories of their entire life BEFORE the trauma that got them. Having Just a piece of Sheps body IS ENOUGH to reconstruct him/her. In present day, such tech to read DNA efectively is not available, but the science behind it IS SOUND. Unfortunetly, Bioware doesn't bother much with science in this sci-fi epic, but the fundamental principal is not outrageous. People who say: But how did Sheps brain survive- It DIDN'T and it didn't have to.
To anyone who want to debunk me- This is still a more or less radical idea in modern day science and I do realise it sounds ridiculous to some/most of you, but again- The basic principle is SOUND.
After reading the DNA, It's just a matter of "building" Shep. Yes, you need tech to to remake the brain, synaptic pathways, essentially WRITE his/her memories once more with would be a rather traumatic expirience but bottom line- possible- yes. Easy- NO, but possible- yes.
punt172o wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah, but I mean...the whole point of the game wasn't about the Lazarus Project....ya know? It happened yeah, now fill in the pieces with your imagination....that's what I mean. I understand what your saying...but I'm sure Bioware figured the more ambiguity thrown in there the better for maintaining stability in staying accurate to true answers.
Maybe Cerberus will attempt this again, or maybe the Alliance will seize Cerberus' findings and explain them to teh galaxy...like bringing people back from the dead, in a larger light.
I'm just not used to huge major plot holes like this. While playing ME1, I rarely questioned any part of it. Everything made enough sense to move on with the story.
But the beginning of ME2 defied logic in so many ways that it DEMANDS a proper explanation somewhere in the game. But from what I've read I don't think they ever explain what happened in ME2, I could only hope they explain it in ME3, but i doubt it.....
It almost feels we have another matrix 2 & 3 on our hands here...
Kane-Corr wrote...
punt172o wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah, but I mean...the whole point of the game wasn't about the Lazarus Project....ya know? It happened yeah, now fill in the pieces with your imagination....that's what I mean. I understand what your saying...but I'm sure Bioware figured the more ambiguity thrown in there the better for maintaining stability in staying accurate to true answers.
Maybe Cerberus will attempt this again, or maybe the Alliance will seize Cerberus' findings and explain them to teh galaxy...like bringing people back from the dead, in a larger light.
I'm just not used to huge major plot holes like this. While playing ME1, I rarely questioned any part of it. Everything made enough sense to move on with the story.
But the beginning of ME2 defied logic in so many ways that it DEMANDS a proper explanation somewhere in the game. But from what I've read I don't think they ever explain what happened in ME2, I could only hope they explain it in ME3, but i doubt it.....
It almost feels we have another matrix 2 & 3 on our hands here...
The only other possible thing I can say to justify Mass 2 is this...
As Shepard, we CANNOT be Omnipotent beings. That would take away the point for playing as Shepard. I mean, yeah it's nice to know certain things...but you're playing AS Shepard...and Mass 2 was seen through his eyes...and things were explained to him. Mass 1 had a very different approach. You learned about the galaxy, and many different things...but Mass 2 was like that intense, mysterious, myth-like story that kept you on edge the whole time. Just think of it as a transition game from 1 to 3 and you will come to accept it.
It took me awhile to get over how much Mass 2 failed in comparison to Mass 1 in terms of storyline and things. But eventually, I got over it...and ultimately appreciate it for what it is and what was presented.
Kane-Corr wrote...
punt172o wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah, but I mean...the whole point of the game wasn't about the Lazarus Project....ya know? It happened yeah, now fill in the pieces with your imagination....that's what I mean. I understand what your saying...but I'm sure Bioware figured the more ambiguity thrown in there the better for maintaining stability in staying accurate to true answers.
Maybe Cerberus will attempt this again, or maybe the Alliance will seize Cerberus' findings and explain them to teh galaxy...like bringing people back from the dead, in a larger light.
I'm just not used to huge major plot holes like this. While playing ME1, I rarely questioned any part of it. Everything made enough sense to move on with the story.
But the beginning of ME2 defied logic in so many ways that it DEMANDS a proper explanation somewhere in the game. But from what I've read I don't think they ever explain what happened in ME2, I could only hope they explain it in ME3, but i doubt it.....
It almost feels we have another matrix 2 & 3 on our hands here...
The only other possible thing I can say to justify Mass 2 is this...
As Shepard, we CANNOT be Omnipotent beings. That would take away the point for playing as Shepard. I mean, yeah it's nice to know certain things...but you're playing AS Shepard...and Mass 2 was seen through his eyes...and things were explained to him. Mass 1 had a very different approach. You learned about the galaxy, and many different things...but Mass 2 was like that intense, mysterious, myth-like story that kept you on edge the whole time. Just think of it as a transition game from 1 to 3 and you will come to accept it.
It took me awhile to get over how much Mass 2 failed in comparison to Mass 1 in terms of storyline and things. But eventually, I got over it...and ultimately appreciate it for what it is and what was presented.
Modifié par Pwner1323, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:23 .
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah they did avoid it...hence the ambiguity because of the whole, "There isn't a present day explanation for it...therefore, an in-game one wouldn't matter anyways."
Pwner1323 wrote...
Kane-Corr wrote...
Yeah they did avoid it...hence the ambiguity because of the whole, "There isn't a present day explanation for it...therefore, an in-game one wouldn't matter anyways."
That's the freaking point! FTL dosn't exist yet in our world, but they still explained it! They even explain indoctrination for God's sake. They could have made something up and we would not have cared. It's a video game afterall.
Modifié par pcrisipm, 16 janvier 2011 - 03:39 .
Casuist wrote...
if Shepard's body was already in the upper atmosphere when freefall began then two things are the case:
1) air compression may not have been sufficient to burn up
2) terminal velocity would not necessarily be adequate to excessively damage the brain if protected
3) some last-ditch preservation measures must have been used to avoid cell damage by freezing
So: if certain valid assumptions are made about where in position to the planet the body was, and certain non-excessive assumptions are made about scientific advances in the protective capacity of the helmets in space hardsuits (i.e. measures for emergency brain preservation at 150mph impact, vacuum exposure and freezing), then the plot (that is to say, the Lazarus Project) is believable.
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