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[Obadiah]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

But he is missing all bones below the knee on one leg so where did his leg go if he was in orbit? And every bone in his body is shattered that wouldn't happen if he didn't hit the ground sense all large debris fell into the planet.

This is a good point.

Another way to look at it is: given the planet's gravity and atmospheric conditions, if debris from the Normandy in it's trashed non-functional condition could survive re-entry without being vaporized and forming a HUGE impact crater, then maybe Shep's armored body could have as well.

Modifié par Obadiah, 20 janvier 2011 - 01:17 .

[pcrisipm]

well, the thing is we know the armour can withstand atmospheric reentry:

_ on alchera in the normandy crash site we find shepard's n7 helmet in one piece -- damaged but in one piece;

_ legion wears shepard's n7 armour front plate -- there's a hole in it, true, but otherwise seems pretty much ok;

_ on the shadow broker dlc we find shepard's n7 armour back plate (don't think this is a spoiler for those who haven't yet played and intend to play the lair of the shadow broker).

if you want to be really picky, alchera has about 80% of earth atmosphere and also about 80% of the gavity, so there's less drag on reentry, thus less heat is generated.

I haven't done the math on the terminal velocity, but I'd say it's less than 80% of earth (~200 km/h). so if the armour makes it through the atmosphere I'd say shepard can survive the surface impact -- alchera's surface seems nice and soft, too. the cold could've slowed down metabolism (call it home-made cryostatis) and kept shepard alive until liara found him.

is this a stretch? sure.

but is it more unbelievable than the rest of mass effect? I don't think so.

as to why to kill shepard right at the start. I really don't know, only one person can really answer that. as to guesses, anyone can guess -- mine is that it's to create some suspense and tension. (007 films always have an opening scene where bond almost dies -- bioware pushed the envelope and actually killed the main character!)

then you have the cerebrus vs alliance conflict. having shepard working with cerberus definitely adds to that and if it wasn't for dying and being revived/rebuilt by cerberus shepard would never 'side' with them. and the 2 years the passed, which allowed the plot regarding the rest of your team to evolve -- garrus going vigilante, liara's rise in the world of information brokering, tali growing up and becoming a real trooper, etc.

all this adds to the story and the plot and it needed some triggering, as dramatic as possible. killing shepard is pretty dramatic, I'd say. so much that everyone here is going nuts about it...

[KevShep]

Hey I people I already gave you a really good theroy but no one seem to notice.

[KevShep]

No one noticed that the scars on Shepards face are the same color as the genetic goo puped into the human reaper...so what does that tell you...It says that they are related. Why alse would his scars be any color at all, much less the same color !!!!



That is the explanation to his unusual return...it will be part of the ME3 story!

[sirandar]

Sadly, another huge gaff by Bioware. Couldn't they have paid a biology graduate student a few grand to tell them this was ridiculous, and give them another 5 to come up with something better?

Moments after death chaos reigns supreme. It would be as easy to materialize a new Shep out of thin air as it would be to do Lazerus. All the Kings horses and men wouldn't be able to put Shep back together again.

They could make a clone .... possible and populate it with memories if they were in some way caputured beforehand.

Here is probably the best explanation for Lazerus
1) Shep takes damage in Space and is slowly venting gas so there is no exposure to vacuum
2) Sheps suit shields are intact and allow the suit to enter atmophere without burning up (but shield don't protect against flame throwers so this fails)
3) Shep is slowed by the increasing atmosphere until he hits the slush/liquid surface and is instantly frozen
4) Shep sinks to a depth equal to his density and then sits there until recovery
5) Cerebus thaws him out by some magic process that doesn't destroy every cell in his body.
6) Sheps memory is somehow intact ......  don't forget freezing would be like a complete re-boot, and nobody knows what happens when a human reboots.

WHat is even more ridiculous is that anyone survived ...... I guess the Collector sensors are too primitive to detect life pods being ejected or are too lazy to bother to collect them even though that is what they do.

ME2 had its moments and was very playable, but there was a huge inattention to detail that almost ruined the game for me.

That, and being forced to serve Cerebus the whole game.

Modifié par sirandar, 21 janvier 2011 - 04:24 .

[Voods07]

KevShep wrote...

No one noticed that the scars on Shepards face are the same color as the genetic goo puped into the human reaper...so what does that tell you...It says that they are related. Why alse would his scars be any color at all, much less the same color !!!!

That is the explanation to his unusual return...it will be part of the ME3 story!

NECRO THREAD!

Oh snap, Shep is part reaper! 

[football_punk64]

I haven't read most of the posts here but I'd like to put a possible debunk here on sheps helmet.
1) I would be almost sure that they would build the armor in a way that if the tube get knocked out the openings are sealed.
2) When this seal engages there would be nothing coming in and nothing coming out.
3) Let me relate this portion to firefighters in current day. Who also are in very volatile areas were one breath sears your lungs. When the oxygen runs out nothing comes in. It like trying to breath with your hand sealing your mouth. Many fire fighter rip the mask off when this happens.
4) relate this theory to shep. After his actions are unclear to being too far away there is a good possibility he could have mimicked the moves of many firefighter and ripped off his helmet. Actually I'm quite confident in this.

I hope it gives some sort of evidence to this discussion.

[Merchant2006]

We all want a good decent explanation but come on, there is that element of sci-fi magic when it comes to Mass Effect. There's that... beyond 'our science' sector that the game has which just makes this stuff somewhat believable. You can't compare it to modern science, I mean come on... it's set in this Universe. It shouldn't be possible for Cade Skywalker to bring back someone from the dead but he did, because it's Star Wars. Mass Effect shouldn't be treated differently just because it's based on 'our universe' so to speak.

I mean come on, Biotics.. really now. What a load of crap  but we all like it for what it is. It's pretty much jedi powers. You gotta realise it's-a-kinda-maaaaagiiiiiiic! *clicks fingers*

[EternalPink]

Other than the "wow we've been spaced" reaction when i saw it i just went with a simple answer for how we are able to come back from the dead

Problem + Lots and lots of money = solution

[JamieCOTC]

It's simple.  Mass Effect isn't science fiction. It's space opera.  Star Wars is space opera, so it's in good company.  Commander Shepard basically is the 21st century's answer to Buck Rogers. He came back to life too.

[I will kill you both]

Shepard is Jesus end of story.

[Hedera]

 A wizard biotic did it.

[Iakus]

JamieCOTC wrote...

It's simple.  Mass Effect isn't science fiction. It's space opera.  Star Wars is space opera, so it's in good company.  Commander Shepard basically is the 21st century's answer to Buck Rogers. He came back to life too.

But in ME 1, they at least made an attempt to make things seem simply "more advanced" than "sufficiently advanced"

The Lazarus Project is just plain wizardry.  There was no hint that anything like this existed before.  You can't even reasonably extrapolate that something like it could exist in the ME universe.

In SF, anything is possible, but not everything.

[N7Infernox]

This answers will be found in Mass Effect 3....hopefully

[Therion942]

A wizard did it.
And now there won't be any exposition on this incredibly important plot point. Because exposition is bad

[brgillespie]

How does the Lazarus Project work? Simple. It's powered by a miraculous substance called "deus ex machina".

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

nanites?

[Scimal]

punt172o wrote...


But now the intro to Mass Effect 2 DOESN'T MAKE ANY ****ING SENSE, NONE AT ALL. I'm sooo pissed...

Fret not. There is still hope - mostly because I'm bored of studying Biology and was curious to see if I could provide an answer.

Solution the First: It doesn't matter from what altitude Shepard fell from - only that Shepard reached Terminal Velocity (~120 feet on Earth). Thus, it doesn't matter if he fell from 30 miles up or 300 feet up - they're energetically the same.

Q: Can the body survive terminal velocity impacts (if not necessarily still be alive)?
A: Yes. In fact, there have been several survivors in WWII that fell from over 30,000ft.

Solution the Second: Surviving re-entry depends on Shepard's armor. If the armor itself is capable of resisting tempratures near the 2600 Celsius range, then re-entry would not have destroyed any tissues save for where it failed - at joints and seals.

Q: Can Shepard's armor survive 2600 Celsius?
A: Probably. At that point in time, I'd assume every decent suit of armor had been tested for re-entry in case of an airlock failure. Shepard's armor can survive both the Occulus and Reaper Larva blasts - both of which are energy/heat based, and one of which (the Occulus) breached Normandy's loading bay. Since Normandy's loading bay is capable of withstanding re-entry, Shepard's suit should be able to as well.

Solution the Third: The brain isn't fully understood, so this is where most of the Sci-Fi happens. The structure of the brain is, so far, the best guess for individual identities. As memories get forgotten or are made anew, dendrites either reach out towards other neurons or recede. As long as Shepard's brain structure remained intact, there's a possibility that it could retain the same information - a possibility that could be reinforced with in-depth medical scans/examinations, since new memories (like being spaced) are held in different areas of the brain than older memories.

Q: Could Shepard still be "Shepard" after being spaced?
A: A decent chance. We know his head wasn't cooked thanks to the N7 Helmet, and the brain can survive terminal velocity impacts.

Solution the Fourth: The rest of Shepard could be reconstructed from DNA. Even though they show needles reviving dead blood cells (which I find far more implausible than surviving being spaced and freefall), as long as a complete genome could be found, they could physically reconstruct as much of Shepard as they needed to.

Q: Could the rest of him be reconstructed?
A: Yup.


So, there ya go. It wasn't a particularly long or in-depth thought experiment, but it does give some credence to Shepard 'surviving' instead of being utterly disintegrated or smashed into a pancake.