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[Eddo36]

Why do they seperate competitions by gender? Don't see any reason really. What's next... seperate by ethnicity and age group?

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 janvier 2011 - 01:48 .

[vometia]

Eddo36 wrote...

Why do they seperate competitions by gender? Don't see any reason really.

Because if they didn't, the events would all degenerate into the chase scenes off Benny Hill.

[Eddo36]

In running competitions, that wouldn't be too bad.

[Loerwyn]

Eddo36 wrote...

Why do they seperate competitions by gender?

Because men are not women, and women are not men. 

Frakking hell, it's basic physiology! Men and women are built differently and to allow them to compete together would be ludicrous. 

[Eddo36]

And whites are not black, etc etc. We're all human, and I'm talking about the real Olympics, not the special one.

[Loerwyn]

Eddo36 wrote...
And whites are not black, etc etc.

Yes, but the differences between nationalities and heritages aren't the same as the differences between men and women, nor are they on the same scale.

And it's hardly the 'Olypmics' if you separate it between nationalities, is it? It's supposed to be about bringing countries together to compete in different events. Yes, a Nigerian man might win the sprint, but have you ever seen one even have a go at the weights?

[Eddo36]

I thought Olympics were meant to show who's the best in the world at what he/she can do. Everything else is for the special Olympics.

[Druss99]

Who would be making the mens tea and sandwiches during their events if the women were in them too? Common sense man.

[Moondoggie]

If you listened in biology class which i assume you did not you'd understand the physical differences between men and women and work out that it is not viable or fair to make them compete in athletics. It's all a bit one sided.



Not that i imagine you'd listen to logic anyways this smells of some sort of desperate trolling since you keep throwing out "special olympics" in a quite derogatory way.

[Eddo36]

I haven't thrown "special olympics" in any derogatory way. Unless you're implying that its purpose itself is derogatory, which aren't my words. Otherwise I don't know what caused you to state that.



Anyways, I don't believe the purpose of the Olympics was about being fair.

[Ponce de Leon]

In team sports, it would be a refreshing change to see both male and female. Soccer especially, it's clear that female soccer players are more manly then their opposite sex counterpart.



... and as long as Kozmus stays Olimpic champion of hammer-throwing, I am happy.

[Eddo36]

dark-lauron wrote...

In team sports, it would be a refreshing change to see both male and female. Soccer especially, it's clear that female soccer players are more manly then their opposite sex counterpart. 

Agreed. Not just sports, but physical organizations like military as well. Provided basic requirements are met.

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:24 .

[Kronner]

Because in that case women wouldn't win anything, and we can't have that, can we? Personally, I enjoy watching female athletes.

[mad825]

men perform better at most of the sports because men on average have more muscle mass.

there has been a study which said if men and woman were going to compete together, then the men would have to be at least ten years older to make it fair.

Also, gender≠sex

Modifié par mad825, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:52 .

[Eddo36]

That's only in general. But some women are better than some men at some physical activities.

[CroGamer002]

Man world record in 100m: 9.58

Woman world record in 100m: 10.49



Any questions?

[Eddo36]

That's based on the individual, not the gender.

[mad825]

Eddo36 wrote...

That's only in general. But some women are better than some men at some physical activities.

Well done! you've answered part of the question all by yourself. Give yourself a well deserve pat on the back.

Before I have a nerd rage, Gender is the psychological or the cultural aspects and Sex (identity) is the biological (physical) aspects, The Sex is the only thing in which the Olympics's authority gives a **** about.

Modifié par mad825, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .

[Swordfishtrombone]

The answer really should be clear - because in aspects of sports requiring physical strength, men have a biological advantage - a man's body is genetically determined to develop bigger muscles in response to physical activity to a much greater degree than a woman's body, with comparative exercise.



This doesn't mean that there wouldn't exist women who are stronger and physically more able than most men - there absolutely are. But it DOES mean that at comptetition at the highest level such as the Olympics represent, that inherent biological advantage would be a deciding factor in just about every sport - EVERYBODY at that level pushes their bodies to the extent they can go, and the biological fact is that men's bodies can go further.



Thus the effect of having sports with mixed sexes would inevitably be that women would be relegated to competing at their maximum just to squeeze into the top ten, with virtually no chance of competing for a win.



Just look at where the world records are in different sports, with men and with women, and you can see how it would go.



If the intent WERE just to find the "best" regardless of sex, then why stop there? Why restrict it to SPECIES? Have men (and women) race the 100 meters against cheetahs and horses - have men (and women) swimming against dolphins. It doesn't take much to see how silly that would be. Why would it be silly? Because inherent biological differences would stack the deck from the start.



I would say that the purpose of the olympics is to find the "best" within a group that has the same, or very close biological basic starting position.

[Rockworm503]

*Sigh this is one of those times where the OP will never understand it so trying to explain it to him is pointless.

[Mecha Tengu]

increased muscle mass does not equate to skill in a sport.



A lot of teenage girls and young women in the western world are not being encouraged to get physically fit or play any sports, which is quite disappointing.



it's too much to do with the sociocultural and mental image. They are discouraged and told they are weaker than men, and they simply don't try. Sure men do produce more testosterone, but skill and physical intelligence has to do with the willpower of the individual.



Women are just as capable as men physically. Estrogen repairs muscle damage and stabilizes muscle membranes, allows women to work out longer than most men.

[chunkyman]

Why are women not allowed to compete with men? Because on average, they will lose. You can wish that people are equal in natural abilities until your eyes bleed, but it won't make it true. Men are more likely to be good at sports than women. That isn't an opinion, it's a biological fact. Trying to be PC won't change reality. (I'm not misogynistic, I just accept reality for what it is.)

[Kronner]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

increased muscle mass does not equate to skill in a sport.

A lot of teenage girls and young women in the western world are not being encouraged to get physically fit or play any sports, which is quite disappointing.

it's too much to do with the sociocultural and mental image. They are discouraged and told they are weaker than men, and they simply don't try. Sure men do produce more testosterone, but skill and physical intelligence has to do with the willpower of the individual.

Women are just as capable as men physically. Estrogen repairs muscle damage and stabilizes muscle membranes, allows women to work out longer than most men.

Are you kidding? Watch women's hockey or soccer (skill based games). 15 year old boys play a lot better.
Canadian women's team (best women's hockey team) would never beat below average men's teams such as Germany or Belarus. They are slower, weaker, do not have nearly as good vision and anticipation. That is simply because men used to be hunters, while women stayed at "home".

As for strength based sports, such as weight lifting...well, no comment is needed.

Look at the ultimate athletic discipline - decathlon. No contest.

Modifié par Kronner, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:53 .

[Beerfish]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

increased muscle mass does not equate to skill in a sport.

A lot of teenage girls and young women in the western world are not being encouraged to get physically fit or play any sports, which is quite disappointing.

it's too much to do with the sociocultural and mental image. They are discouraged and told they are weaker than men, and they simply don't try. Sure men do produce more testosterone, but skill and physical intelligence has to do with the willpower of the individual.

Women are just as capable as men physically. Estrogen repairs muscle damage and stabilizes muscle membranes, allows women to work out longer than most men.

No, this is 100% incorrect.  Men would dominate women in just about every sport you can think of.  This is not a slam on women but the physiological differences are just too big.  Men are bigger, faster and stronger.

[DukeOfNukes]

Swimming is pretty obvious...World Records:

50m Freestyle: Mens - 20.91, Womens - 23.73

50m Backstroke: Mens - 24.04, Womens - 27.06

50m Breaststroke: Mens - 26.67, Womens - 29.80

50m Butterfly: Mens - 22.43, Womens - 25.07

400m Individual Medley: Mens - 4:03.84, Womens - 4:29.45



Regardless of the reason...women and men just simply can't compete together.