Nevermind.... *sigh*
I was so close this time...FOZ289 wrote...
I had to look up the scene, I would obviously never let Wrex die. The problem I have is the way the scene is done. Wrex FALLS OVER, and despite being a galactic community with access to FASTER THAN LIGHT TRAVEL, which is insane, they don't have any sort of efficient method of restraining people? Really? No, we gotta shoot Wrex 4 times, because killing people solves all of our problems. In all the time since the Krogan Rebellions, nobody ever developed a better way of stopping them other than ****ing killing them? Ugh. Even if that's not completely relevant to Ashley.
It is worth considering that Wrex was pointing a gun at Shepard's face, like directly at him. And he wasn't going to be pursuaded either, so Ashley stepped in and fired. As any soldier would in this circumstance.
As for the whole 'shooting him many times' thing, well I could mention that if Shepard kills Wrex directly, he doesn't just mercifully shoot him once and be done with it. He also shoots Wrex THE EXACT SAME NUMBER OF TIMES HERE and if we are blaming people on actions that they MIGHT do then well... Shepard's hands are just as dirty as Ashley's.
Plus, there is reason behind the seeming madness. First of all, what's worse than an angry Krogan? A recently wounded angry krogan. You've played the game, you've seen how quickly they can regain their health. So the fact that he survived the first shot meant that he would almost certainly be considered an 'enemy' so if he got back up he would try to finish Shepard off, so she made sure he was put down for good.
Second of all end his suffering. He's been shot, he's bleeding out, if he isn't going to get up to try to fight back then he'll bleed to death. It's not like any military soldier would provide medical care to someone who was almost certainly about to endanger the CO's life, what he did could be considered an execution worthy offence.
(don't kid yourself, had Ashley not been there, Wrex would have pulled the trigger. Name one other reason why you would talk in an angry, threatening voice while talking to someone who just lowered their weapon, with a gun pointed at them?)
Finally.... how does the whole 'find another way to subdue them' have anything to do with this situation? Shouldn't you be talking to the writers about that not the characters?
That would only make Ashley inconsistent. When Shepard is tired from the mind-meld, what does Ashley say? THAT DAMNED ASARI. Not "that bastard," or "that ****." She uses asari in a derogatory sentence, emphasizing the race as if it's a factor here.
Remember in Mass Effect 2 when Miranda called the Asari that shot Niket an 'Asari b*tch?' But she later expressed very openly that humanity could learn a lot from what the Asari had accomplished on Illium, with genuine respect?
Hell, when I think of the number of times I hear aliens use the word 'human' in a deragatory or condescending manner it blows my mind. Because how come no one complains then, but if Ashley says something about an Asari ONCE then obviously she is 'da ra4asit'?
As it stands, Ashley mentions talking to Liara with genuine sympathy. She expresses sympathy for Liara's current situation with her mother being dead and is able to empathise with her. Understanding, clearly, that Liara would have feelings for a parent is a clear sign that she understands that aliens and humans aren't all that different.
If she really and honestly didn't care about Liara, she wouldn't have brought it up. Plus, this isn't even the only time she does this. If you get the overly awful 'love triangle' scene and pick Ashley over Liara, she admits that she actually feels
sorry for Liara, and she sounds shocked to say it. Like she's amazed she's admitting this to herself but nonetheless she says it.
She also adds that 'no one should have to feel like they aren't good enough to get what they want' which is, again, a major moment of empathy on Ashley's part, because as any Ashley fan will tell you, her blacklisted family name makes pretty much everything she wants or tries to earn something she has to fight for and often ending up being told she isn't good enough for it. So with that in mind, Ashley is actually taking something of her own life, comparing it to the same situation with Liara and sympathizing accordingly.
And 'race' had nothing to do with the equation.
Even if you want to say she isn't "racist," she is biased because of her own experiences and emotion and not because of a purely logical standpoint as that post says. And how does the logic make it any better? That just turns her into a robot, calculating the most efficient way to gain power regardless of other species. I don't want to be cheesy, but wanting the best for your own people regardless of other groups does not excuse all of your flaws.
Actually, Ashley doesn't seem to demand humans have power over other races. Hell at one point when asked about her religion in terms of diversity of views in the galaxy, she says that she doesn't think humans are superior, or that they have some kind of divine mandate or right above other races.
She doesn't even seem to think humanity should avoid contact with other races and strive to be a quazi- zionist /seperatist society, in fact when confronted by groups that do think with such a degree of hate and isolationist desire in regards to aliens (e.g Terra Firma) she hates them, getting really up in the face of their leader in particular.
To put it bluntly, Ashley doesn't think humanity can, or should, rely on the Council races as allies. Because she believes that, when push comes to shove, the Council races will turn their backs on humanity and instead serve only to protect their own needs. Hence Ashley feels humanity shouldn't turn down the Council races as allies nor have the right to mistreat alien allies either, but that they should be prepared to go it alone in the event that the Council races don't come through. Not put all their hopes into the idea that they will.
Looking at it from this perspective and all this really is, is cynacism and realism. If you ask me, at most she's just cautious. Not filled with hate. Considering her family history (her grandfather surrendered at Shanxi in the First Contact War, first human ever to surrender to an alien race and the Williams name has been in the dirt since then) it's not hard to see where she would get such a cynical view of things.
That and she's had little to no experience working with aliens in the past, this is all new to her.
Also a few examples that help disprove the notion of 'racism':
At one point in an elevator conversation she mentions to Tali that some humans are angry at the Quarians about the attack on Eden Prime and hopes that Tali helping in the mission against Saren will help improve people's views on the Quarians for the better. Again, hardly something a 'racist' would say.
Also on Virmire, Ashley is seen being debriefed by Captain Kirrahe and she has no problem talking to him and, subsequently, happily volunteers to assist him and his men in the attack on Saren's base. No complaint, no snide remarks, she is happy to do it without even a wiff of regret in her voice. After which, she works well with them, despite being the only human in a squad composed of aliens, she gets along with them, takes the orders of their leader without objection and valiantly 'holds the line' alongside them with a lot of respect for them in the process.
Finally, considering this
is a 'romance' related thread. I feel it is worth noting that if you pick the right options in the right way during her romance after getting to know her quite well, you can convince her to be more open minded, to be more calm about things, to be less cynical and interestingly enough to put blame on the Alliance, not the aliens, for how her family name was Blacklisted in the first place. This in turn, leads her to be much more trusting of the Council and proud to be fighting alongside aliens.
To the point where during the 'lockdown' scene where Shepard is slumped and in disbelief that the Council didn't listen to him, Ashley comes in and calls him 'Mr Negativity' because he was the one who got her to trust the Council and with that in mind he wasn't 'allowed' to back out now.
So yeah, in conclusion, you ask me this whole 'Ashley is racist' thing is nothing more than an overreaction by the community. She really isn't as bad as people say she is.
Modifié par V-rex, 15 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .
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