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[DalVel]

Anyone else finding the shapeshifter specialisation rather useless?

I can't remember last time I used it, maybe there's some trick to it that I haven't discovered yet?

99% of the time it's more beneficial to keep the mage in their own form and cast spells rather than turn into animal and hope overwhelm will work (why doesn't it work by the way? are some creatures immune to overwhelm?)

The remaining 1% of the time is when it really doesn't matter what your mage is doing as long as they don't die.

It also stops me from using the ever useful heal spell...

So what's the point of shapeshifting? (also, I was kinda hoping for the giant spider from the trailer once I trained master shapeshifter... all I got was same small spider with different look.)

Unless someone can convince me otherwise (I like shapeshifting as an idea, it could be cool) I will consider shapeshifter a useless specialisation and not upgrade it at all on my second playthrough.

[Rwraith]

I like it just cuz I like walking around as a spider.

[The-Cyber-Dave]

It does seem like a very underpowered specialization. It was originally going to be my second play-through character. After watching Morrigan in action, however, I have decided against it.

[Reef Peerat]

I could see it being more useful if you have 3 or 4 mages in a party, then one could transform and be a tank after initial castings for AoE, or crowd control, etc...



But I hear your concerns, because I have only shapeshifted once out of curiosity, and have yet to use it in combat tactics.

[Gfan24]

Unlike the other specialization, shapeshift is not meant to be used in every fight. If is meant to fill in for either a fallen ally or when you run out of mana.



Spider-crowd control

Bear-Tank

Swarm-when your low on health and need to avoid being hit



They are utility spells.

[LethalBlade]

Exactly, they're last resort options.

[Dansayshi]

*SPOILER*

Wen i 4ght flemeth and seen her dragon form it made it kind of suck lol.

*END*

Add in the fact that u loose all spell buffs, it jst seems weak. What would of been good is if u cud keep ur buffs, and say, still be able to cast certain spells, like say u turn into a bear, u cud cast primal spells, or that swarm thing, entropy spells etc. Jst think it cud of been better than what it is altho gfan is right, i prefer to jst use revival

[Seraph Aur]

I wonder if combining Shapeshifter with Arcane Warrior would allow a Mage character to main tank for your party.

(edit: Typo - Changed Arcane Mage to Arcane Warrior.)

Modifié par Seraph Aur, 13 novembre 2009 - 07:11 .

[Zlarm]

Yeah I've maxed out shape shifter on my current (first) play through and the only time I use it is to transform into the bees so I can travel around faster. I used to use it when I ran out of mana but none of the shapes really provide good defense/armor so I end up dying anyway.



Definitely won't be taking it again unless they tweak it a bit.

[DalVel]

Spider-crowd control
Bear-Tank
Swarm-when your low on health and need to avoid being hit

Mage - Crowd Control
Arcane Warrior - Tank
Spirit Healer - when you're low on health...

See my problem?

There's nothing that shapeshifter can do that other specialisation can't do better :s

If only overwhelm was reliable maybe it'd be possible to overwhelm bosses with it...

[simpatikool]

I only purposefully used it with Morrigan once. Early in Lothering. She did not have heal then.

[Niveneh]

Another thing is... Morrigan doesn't shapeshift unless you set up a really complex AI that I doubt is even possible. So you never see/do it unless you manually control her. If that was fixed, that would actually help a lot.



While we're wishing for things I'd like filtering / sorting options for codexes. It's way too hard to find the right one.

1: Filter out all non--active-quest related codexes should be an option.

2: Link from quests to relevant codexes.

[FalloutBoy]

Usually when I decide I need to shift (out of mana or tank is dead or something), by the time I get done casting the spell, the situation has already gone from dire to hopeless.

[jenambus]

DalVel wrote...

Spider-crowd control
Bear-Tank
Swarm-when your low on health and need to avoid being hit

Mage - Crowd Control
Arcane Warrior - Tank
Spirit Healer - when you're low on health...

See my problem?

There's nothing that shapeshifter can do that other specialisation can't do better :s

If only overwhelm was reliable maybe it'd be possible to overwhelm bosses with it...

Well based on what you just said Shapeshifters are like a jack of all trades. the can do all well just not  as good as the dedicated specs can. So with that said maybe shapeshifters are good simply because of their versitility. But its totally up to the player, To each their own.

[Haexpane]

arcane warrior is way over powered , shapeshifters are nice to have, but not in a 4 man party.



4 man party is the main problem w/ class balance right now. Things like Bards and Shapeshifters are not powerful enough to warrant 1/4 slots.

[DalVel]

I can make Spirit Healer/Arcane Warrior and have all utility of Shapeshifter and more rolled into one... That's the rootof the problem.

[bblasphemous]

The shapeshift forms don't appear to scale well. I've maxxed out the abilities and they were still bad, especially at later levels. The ranger companion summons are much more powerful and act as an extra member of your party rather than making one of your mages near worthless.

[AgenTBC]

I predict with near 100% certainty that the Shapeshifter will get some tweaking to make the forms more effective.

[armacham]

I dont use it very often, as others have mentioned, I use it as a last resort.

[Mysinera]

Try this, it may help.



http://dragonage.gul...hp/mods/shifter

[DalVel]

That does indeed look interesting. I suppose someone got that idea based on a certain dragon in the game

[Haexpane]

Mysinera wrote...

Try this, it may help.

http://dragonage.gul...hp/mods/shifter

Good lord, why must you tease us w/ something gimped console owners will never get

Such a great idea for shapeshifter... that mod makes the vanilla shapeshifter seem even more useless.

[hexaligned]

Rather useless? It's completely useless, with how easy it is to craft mana potions, mana is a nonissue and an unlimited resource.

[1varangian]

Arcane Warrior makes Shapeshifter pointless because Combat Magic > Shapeshifting.



I think it would be better if Shapeshifting was the only way to turn a *weak* mage into a strong fighter. Arcane Warriors on the other hand should be more of a fighter/caster hybrid who should also have to spread their stats more evenly. The advantage of AW is to be able to cast and fight at the same time while shapeshifters can't. So in my opinion AW's should have to up STR and DEX to qualify for weapons and armor. I also wish AW's could pick weapon talents if they meet the STR and DEX requirements.

[Skemte]

Shapeshifting is awful.. That was one of my larger disapointments.. I was expecting DND 3.5 edition shape shifting mechanic that was actually viable as a main strategy.