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[LobselVith8]

IanPolaris wrote...

The best ending I've found accounting for all of that is to persuade Genetivi to go back to Denerim and never talk to him again. Then the ashes again fall into myth and lore.

-Polaris

So if you don't speak to Genitivi again after sending him back, it defaults to the epilogue slide where the Urn falls into obscurity regardless of what happens with Kolgrim and the Dragon Andraste?

Does anyone know what happens if you destroy the Urn and tell Genitivi that the villagers are responsible? I know that the Urn epilogues are a big glitched, and acknowledge the Urn as destroyed if Genitivi ends up comitting suicide because the Warden lies to him about the Urn, and how the epilogue glitches to read the Urn still being around if the Disciples are killed regardless of what happened to the Urn, but I wonder if telling him about the villagers destroying the Urn glitches the epilogue slides to read something else entirely.

[Fylimar]

I didn't realize, that the Urn has an epilogue scene, but my game crashed at the epilogue, so I missed it nearly all :-(

I only kill the dragons in the game, that attackd me first. Since the Highdragon is minding her own business and letting me pass, while snoring on a hill, I would have felt bad for killing her - besides I don't play warriors and my rogues and mages only have light armor - always. And Sten, Oghren and Alistair/Loghain are cared for with a lot of other good armor. Same with Flemeth: She did safe my life, I can't stand her daugther (even so she is voiced by Claudia Black) - so why should I kill her. She was kind to my warden and Alistair (for what reasons, I don't care), so I wont repay her with killing her. I did that once and reloaded, because I felt so bad.

But I did tell Genitivi in the one game, where I reached that point, that he can explore the ruins, so I would have probably got the fading into myth again-ending - which is sad, because although I didn't care much for the chantry, I liked Genitivi - he was a curious explorer like my mage.

[DWSmiley]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't like to kill the high dragon, I think she's really beautiful. But they are dangerous and she'll eventually go on a rampage that will kill a lot of people.

This.  There's an epilog slide to that effect if you don't kill her, IIRC (it's been a long time since I let her live).  And for some reason I'm always reminded of the (excellent) movie Dragonslayer. 

[Mrkew]

Let the pilgrims come. The people need hope after a blight + The Guardian will deal with bad guys.

[wickedgoodreed]

The Water God wrote...

DWSmiley wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I don't like to kill the high dragon, I think she's really beautiful. But they are dangerous and she'll eventually go on a rampage that will kill a lot of people.

This.  There's an epilog slide to that effect if you don't kill her, IIRC (it's been a long time since I let her live).  And for some reason I'm always reminded of the (excellent) movie Dragonslayer. 

I think I like the epilogue slid better. Let the Chantry pilgrims burn.

This reminds me of the (excellent) TROGDOR!!  *Burninating the countryside, burninating the peasants!*

[Bigdoser]

Keithhy wrote...

I allowed the Ashes to be discovered because they're a testament to the at least partial truth of Andraste's words, and that the world at large deserves to know about this. I don't care for the chantry, but then again, the chantry isn't an embodiment of her will, but a collection of her (corrupt, evil, hated, despicable - yes, I play as a mage) followers, who've put themselves in power for their own benefit. That shouldn't be allowed to affect the innocent, normal worshippers though.

EEER no take oghren with you and he would say that the ashes is filled with lyrium(can't spell it) the whole room and the ashes is filled with it.

[Darth Wolfenbarg]

Zjarcal wrote...

OnionXI wrote...
The urn is supposed to be visited and pilgrims tested - that's the whole purpose of the guardian and the trials.

Yeah but that guardian is a bit too strict if you ask me. Fail one of the test and it's killing time. I mean, does a pilgrim really deserve to be killed just for not getting naked? Isn't kicking them out an option?

The guardian is a lot like a computer. It's designed to probe you for guilt at the beginning and then run through those tests, no matter who or what you are. He's got a good reason I suppose, as all of the trials were designed to keep out members of the Tevinter Imperium. Heck, the guardian may have realized that they are no longer a threat and just disappeared after you left. If that did happen, then it would give the player another reason against letting the site be open to the chantry.

[Satyricon331]

I think allowing the pilgrims access to the Urn is the best ending, regardless of your Warden's views on the Chantry. Besides the at-least-partial-truth-of-Andraste thing Keithhy mentioned above, the Ashes are basically medicine that people should have access to. I could see it devolving so only Chantry-selected people would have access to its healing effects, but I don't think it's likely since the Chantry would want to preserve its public support and its self-image of being good.

[Faelix_Majere]

Everytime you do something "correct" in this game you are punished for it.

[LobselVith8]

Satyricon331 wrote...

I think allowing the pilgrims access to the Urn is the best ending, regardless of your Warden's views on the Chantry. Besides the at-least-partial-truth-of-Andraste thing Keithhy mentioned above, the Ashes are basically medicine that people should have access to. I could see it devolving so only Chantry-selected people would have access to its healing effects, but I don't think it's likely since the Chantry would want to preserve its public support and its self-image of being good.

Given the destruction of the Dales and the practical enslavement of all mages, I don't trust the Chantry with the Ashes.

[Augustei]

bcooper56 wrote...

I found this best ending:

If The Warden allowed Brother Genitivi to mount an expedition to the Urn, but did not kill the High Dragon, the Urn disappears without a trace and falls into myth once more.


Every other ending has people coming for them or something bad happens like dragon goes on killing spree.

If you make him return to denerim, you can kill the high dragon and Kolgrim and the ashes will never be found as long as you dont visit him after forcing him to return

EDIT: Just realised it has already been said

Anyway the above is what I always choose, I mean My Warden is a follower of Andraste and The Chantry. But I personally dont like The Chantry generally. I like for my Warden's opinions not to be based on that of my own but instead on his upbringing (determined by origin) and the people around him. My Warden was a HN and so was raised as a follower of the Chantry. So he would definitly not destroy them. He Saw the Dragon as a threat to the countryside so he killed it as he has read much of their violent ways in his grandfathers library in Highever Castle. But I didn't want the Chantry gaining more influence so when I found a way for me and my warden to meet in the middle it was awesome..

I probably sound weird but meh. lol

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 janvier 2011 - 03:03 .

[Joy Divison]

Faelix_Majere wrote...

Everytime you do something "correct" in this game you are punished for it.

That's part of what makes the game so satisfying.  What's the point in playing something if all the choices were easy and everyone lived happily ever after?

[Face of Evil]

Defied Kolgrim, preserved the Ashes, sent Genitivi back to Denerim, slew the dragon. Offered hope to millions, made Leliana happy, got a fancy new set of dragonscale armor. Win-win all around.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 26 janvier 2011 - 01:38 .

[Hatem]

It's been a while since I've done that quest, but didn't the guardian say that he waited for pilgrims for a very long time?

[Face of Evil]

I think it was always intended that pilgrims would be able to visit the Urn, but while the Tevinter Imperium was still in power, the Disciples of Andraste had to hide them.



Now, the Imperium is a shadow of its former glory, but at some point over the centuries, Kolgrim's ancestor went mad and convinced the others that he was the new prophet. Upon his death, I imagine the cultists somehow settled on the idea that Andraste would return to them. When the dragon was found — or perhaps, when the dragon came to them — they convinced themselves that this WAS Andraste reborn and dedicated themselves to protecting her.



However, since the resting place of "Andraste" was also where the Sacred Ashes were hidden, they couldn't very well allow outsiders to discover their secret. So the Disciples murdered anyone who came snooping around the village.



The irony is that, even though they no longer cared about the Ashes, they were unwittingly following the original purpose of the Disciples: to protect the resting place of Andraste.

[Satyricon331]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

I think allowing the pilgrims access to the Urn is the best ending, regardless of your Warden's views on the Chantry. Besides the at-least-partial-truth-of-Andraste thing Keithhy mentioned above, the Ashes are basically medicine that people should have access to. I could see it devolving so only Chantry-selected people would have access to its healing effects, but I don't think it's likely since the Chantry would want to preserve its public support and its self-image of being good.

Given the destruction of the Dales and the practical enslavement of all mages, I don't trust the Chantry with the Ashes.

But what's the risk?  It's a healing power.  If it were a weapon or something I wouldn't give it to them.

[LobselVith8]

Satyricon331 wrote...

But what's the risk?  It's a healing power.  If it were a weapon or something I wouldn't give it to them.

Not the Urn itself but what can be done in the name of the Urn. Why would I give a new religious item to the same organization that enslaves mages across the continent and conquered the Dales all in the name of their religion?

[Satyricon331]

I still don't get what the risk is? Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I'm just curious to know what you think they could likely do in the name of the Urn that would be so bad it would offset the chance the medicine would help people.

[ejoslin]

Satyricon331 wrote...

I still don't get what the risk is? Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I'm just curious to know what you think they could likely do in the name of the Urn that would be so bad it would offset the chance the medicine would help people.

Until, of course, the ashes ran out...  Think of all the donations that would be made to the chantry by the rich!  Admission fees to the poor!  There is huge potential for exploitation there, and the Chantry IS known for exploiting people...

[Satyricon331]

It just strikes me as remarkable that people would rather not have a medicine available at all simply because its supplier would charge exploitative prices if it were available. We wouldn't have any medicine here in the US if that approach were the rule

[ejoslin]

Satyricon331 wrote...

It just strikes me as remarkable that people would rather not have a medicine available at all simply because its supplier would charge exploitative prices if it were available. We wouldn't have any medicine here in the US if that approach were the rule

Magic is powerful healing so people DO have powerful medicine already available to them.  The ashes would not be available to people, however.  There can't be that many of them, for one, and they would be exploited.  Probably only the high ups in the chantry and perhaps government would get them.  Can you imagine the power this would give the chantry over nations?

[FellowerOfOdin]

I always save the ashes and kill the dragon. The chantry really helps those in need of help in those times of war and they control the mages thus they need as much power as they can get and the ashes will be a great addition.

[Satyricon331]

ejoslin wrote...

Magic is powerful healing so people DO have powerful medicine already available to them.  The ashes would not be available to people, however.  There can't be that many of them, for one, and they would be exploited.  Probably only the high ups in the chantry and perhaps government would get them.  Can you imagine the power this would give the chantry over nations?

That's what isn't clear to me.  Are you suggesting the Chantry would dole it out to sick kings only in exchange for political concessions?  It's hard to imagine other monarchs letting them get away with that, but if that's the concern then at least I understand where you're coming from now.

[ejoslin]

Satyricon331 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Magic is powerful healing so people DO have powerful medicine already available to them.  The ashes would not be available to people, however.  There can't be that many of them, for one, and they would be exploited.  Probably only the high ups in the chantry and perhaps government would get them.  Can you imagine the power this would give the chantry over nations?

That's what isn't clear to me.  Are you suggesting the Chantry would dole it out to sick kings only in exchange for political concessions?  It's hard to imagine other monarchs letting them get away with that, but if that's the concern then at least I understand where you're coming from now.

I am very much suggesting that.  You really think they wouldn't?  Since there is already powerful healing available in the land, it would only be used for the very rich and very desperate.  It would definitely be a reason for the nation leaders to not take on the chantry, whether anything is stated outright or not.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 janvier 2011 - 02:42 .