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[aeetos21]

Madman123456 wrote...
So the Scrapyard is older then the Collectors and older then the last cycle of Extinction.
You could find magical tech from Extinction cycle # 457 and combine it with magical tech from Cycle #52 and create new magical tech to defeat the Reapers.

Keeping the Base may very well turn out to be something bad, since the Reapers could have stuffed any number of things inside the Base, besides Booby traps, to help them.

EXACTLY

This is the problem with these threads, they assume far too much when we know far-far too little. Its like tunnel vision. Instead of just arguing over why such and such is technically better than this or that we should try and think outside the box because that is exactly what BW will do. And since I've been talking so much about consequences for keeping the collector base I think I'll play a little devil's advocate.

Possible consequences for DESTROYING the base (other than the simple more people will die possiblity that has been argued to death):
-No Cerberus support and no human dominance (though it would go against everything we know about TIM if he didn't support Shepard)
-No chance of all squadmates surviving due to lack of advanced tech
-Delay in getting to earth to combat reaper ground forces (stealth technology needs to be created from wreckage in the galactic core versus being conveniently found on the base - this paragon penalty can be balanced by an equal amount of people dying because they were consumed as "human fuel".)
-This one isn't so much a paragon consequence but more of a mixed bag: If you continue to work with Cerberus that could prove detrimental in gathering allies to take back earth, but again you would have advanced tech and might be able to get there sooner.
-You aren't able to completely defeat the reapers, only drive them back into dark space (this one actually seems pretty likely)

That's all I can come up with off the top of my head, please feel free to add more fuel to the fire.

Modifié par aeetos21, 09 février 2011 - 11:19 .

[gloops]

Instead of just arguing over why such and such is technically better than this or that we should try and think outside the box because that is exactly what BW will do.

This discussion is for roleplay purposes, not metagame purposes.

[Tennessee88]

gloops wrote...

Instead of just arguing over why such and such is technically better than this or that we should try and think outside the box because that is exactly what BW will do.

This discussion is for roleplay purposes, not metagame purposes.

No, the thread was created with the simple question "why?"  

[Madman123456]

CannotCompute wrote...

Well, everytime I see that look on TIM's face (the last time he is seen in the game, right after you see Cerberus vessels approaching the base) I get the feeling he can't be up to something good.

I would like to see TIM doing nothing "evil" as a Consequence of that. Because that would be stupid and frankly i have seen a setup for a bad guy like this a million times.
What would be something new would be TIM going along with it. He did go to quite some lengths to ensure shepard stayed shepard rather then making her/him a puppet. So if Shepard doesn't do what TIM likes him to do but in the end succeeds in killing the Reapers, TIM would be ok with that.
TIM wants the Reapers gone, because with the Reapers out there, Human advancement would be futile because Humanity would be dead. So if Shepard manages to kick the Reapers in the Face without the Collector tech, it would mildly annoy TIM that he doesn't have a new toy to play with.
I think he's angry at Shepard because he thinks shepard destroying the Base might very well doomed the whole Enterprise and the human Race along with it.
I'd be rather pissed then too

[Tennessee88]

It would be a nice twist if TIM ends up being a tragic hero. In many ways he seems to be being set up for it from what I gathered from the comic preview on IGN.

[CannotCompute]

Madman123456 wrote...

CannotCompute wrote...

Well, everytime I see that look on TIM's face (the last time he is seen in the game, right after you see Cerberus vessels approaching the base) I get the feeling he can't be up to something good.

I would like to see TIM doing nothing "evil" as a Consequence of that. Because that would be stupid and frankly i have seen a setup for a bad guy like this a million times.

No, I didn't mean evil. But I think he will do anything to force Human dominance after the Reapers are gone. The Reaper tech could help a lot to achieve that goal.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 09 février 2011 - 06:39 .

[Chewin]

Simple. Destroy = Paragon

[James2912]

I hate simple heroes and simple villians. I think there is great potential for TIM I hope Bioware uses its creativity and doesn't go the generic boring route by making TIM go clearly evil with in ME3. Some people would like that to happen, but come on its so cliche and boring. I want TIM to remain a defend able character.

[Darth Death]

I destroy it! Why? Because I don't trust TIM. In fact, he tried to order Miranda to kill me if I decided to destroy the base. Thankfully Miranda is loyal to me and not TIM.

[Marxman2]

Destroy it, just remember what Legion said..."Technology is not a straight line, Accepting anothers tech, blinds you to alternatives." Probably wiser to go our own way with tech, i've certainly learn't my lesson after the first time. No offense to the Renegades intended however.

[Sajuro]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Sajuro is just trolling, nothing to see here.

My point with the first one (retroactively at least) was that we still know jack about the reapers, we know so little we don't know that we don't know really. Saren was aware of the danger of indoctrination for awhile, at least before STG was deployed to Virmire. I was always under the impression that the first stages of intentional indoctrination was "I'm not going to get indoctrinated" as that ship's AI is making suggestions that sound more and more reasonable by the day. Saren didn't even know he had succumbed to the indoctrination until Shepard pointed it out. The second one was indeed for fun though.

[gloops]

Destroy it, just remember what Legion said..."Technology is not a straight line, Accepting anothers tech, blinds you to alternatives." Probably wiser to go our own way with tech, i've certainly learn't my lesson after the first time. No offense to the Renegades intended however.

Did you build your own Reaper IFF and Omega 4 relay?

[Sentox6]

Riddle me this, people who destroy the base: apart a nice warm, fuzzy feeling, what do you have to show for your efforts in the grand scheme of things?

Modifié par Sentox6, 09 février 2011 - 10:12 .

[Barquiel]

Sentox6 wrote...

Riddle me this, people who destroy the base: apart a nice warm, fuzzy feeling, what do you have to show for your efforts in the grand scheme of things?

The datapad Joker gives you in the end? EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers.

[Vaenier]

Darth Death wrote...

I destroy it! Why? Because I don't trust TIM. In fact, he tried to order Miranda to kill me if I decided to destroy the base. Thankfully Miranda is loyal to me and not TIM.

The Alliance and Council would also order you killed if they knew you were about to blow up a cache of ancient advanced technology. More so if they believed the Reapers were coming and they needed that base in order to gain an advantage.

Modifié par Vaenier, 09 février 2011 - 10:16 .

[Vaenier]

Barquiel wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...

Riddle me this, people who destroy the base: apart a nice warm, fuzzy feeling, what do you have to show for your efforts in the grand scheme of things?

The datapad Joker gives you in the end? EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers.

When did they tell you this? All I remember seeing is a picture of a reaper, no actual data was mentioned.

[James2912]

The first time I saved the base, I was so confused at why all my squaddies were disapointed at my decision! I just could not imagine why you would want to destroy it! I was doing a paragon playthrough and I had read nothing about the game online so I made that decision totally out of innocence. It was actually the reason I came onto the forums to figure out why anybody would want to destroy all of that fantastic tech! Plus finally proof about the threat of the Reapers. I  get why some people destroyed it but I'm just sharing my first gut decision. 

Corrected

Modifié par James2912, 09 février 2011 - 10:22 .

[Vaenier]

James2912 wrote...

The first time I destroyed the base, I was so confused at why all my squaddies were disapointed at my decision! I just could not imagine why you would want to destroy it! I was doing a paragon playthrough and I had read nothing about the game online so I made that decision totally out of innocence. It was actually the reason I came onto the forums to figure out why anybody would want to destroy all of that fantastic tech! Plus finally proof about the threat of the Reapers. I  get why some people destroyed it but I'm just sharing my first gut decision. 

saved?

[Barquiel]

Vaenier wrote...

When did they tell you this? All I remember seeing is a picture of a reaper, no actual data was mentioned.

We know EDI scanned the base's database, and I doubt they had only pictures...

[James2912]

Vaenier wrote...

James2912 wrote...

The first time I destroyed the base, I was so confused at why all my squaddies were disapointed at my decision! I just could not imagine why you would want to destroy it! I was doing a paragon playthrough and I had read nothing about the game online so I made that decision totally out of innocence. It was actually the reason I came onto the forums to figure out why anybody would want to destroy all of that fantastic tech! Plus finally proof about the threat of the Reapers. I  get why some people destroyed it but I'm just sharing my first gut decision. 

saved?

oops i made an oopsie again thanks for pointing it out!

[Sentox6]

Barquiel wrote...
The datapad Joker gives you in the end? EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers.

The key words being 'all the available'. Odds are more could have been learned given more time. And that's ignoring the possibilities of reverse engineering Reaper technology, which is a whole other matter.

So why destroy the base? Obviously we can discard nonsense of some kind of moral dilemma and sacrificing the soul of our species, because that's outright primitive superstition and offensive to anyone with a modicum of  intelligence. Generally people bring up the issue of Cerberus and how TIM can't be trusted. I just can't come to terms with this. Not because I think TIM is a pure-hearted angel, but because, last I checked, the threat of galactic extinction seemed more pressing.

[Vaenier]

Barquiel wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

When did they tell you this? All I remember seeing is a picture of a reaper, no actual data was mentioned.

We know EDI scanned the base's database, and I doubt they had only pictures...

So you are just being hopeful. Just making sure I did not miss anything.

[Tennessee88]

The only reason the Geth can pursue a new technological path is they exist outside of the galactic society. You cannot even convince the council/people that the Reapers exist. How are you going to convince them to change every facet of galactic society in time to stop the Reapers.

[jbblue05]

Barquiel wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

When did they tell you this? All I remember seeing is a picture of a reaper, no actual data was mentioned.

We know EDI scanned the base's database, and I doubt they had only pictures...

EDI never scanned the base for info.  EDI was never uplinked into the Collector Base.  The only thing EDI does is bring up THERMAL EMISSION SCANS

Modifié par jbblue05, 09 février 2011 - 10:50 .

[James2912]

Tennessee88 wrote...

The only reason the Geth can pursue a new technological path is they exist outside of the galactic society. You cannot even convince the council/people that the Reapers exist. How are you going to convince them to change every facet of galactic society in time to stop the Reapers.

Also the Geth are basically immortan they can afford to take 100 years to get to the nearest start system.