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[thegreateski]

If TIM steps out of line then my Shepard will kill him and replace him with someone else.

Modifié par thegreateski, 15 janvier 2011 - 11:59 .

[Pwner1323]

James2912 wrote...

Basically TIM is the figurehead who does all the paperwork I get to do all the cool stuff!

My Shepard is sick of fighting. And you're a racist xenophobe who I hope gets killed in ME3 when all races turn against you.

Modifié par Pwner1323, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:10 .

[Pwner1323]

thegreateski wrote...

If TIM steps out of line then my Shepard will kill him and replace him with someone else.

Himself!?

[James2912]

Pwner1323 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Basically TIM is the figurehead who does all the paperwork I get to do all the cool stuff!

My Shepard is sick of fighting. And you're a racist xenophobe who I hope gets killed in ME3 when all races turn against you.

Why thank you! If there  is multiplayer I will see you on the battlefield 

[thegreateski]

Pwner1323 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

If TIM steps out of line then my Shepard will kill him and replace him with someone else.

Himself!?

Perhaps. But the Shepard I'm talking about is much better at fighting then at leading folks. He would like to give the position to someone like Mr. House (Fallout: New Vegas).

[Pwner1323]

James2912 wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

James2912 wrote...

Basically TIM is the figurehead who does all the paperwork I get to do all the cool stuff!

My Shepard is sick of fighting. And you're a racist xenophobe who I hope gets killed in ME3 when all races turn against you.

Why thank you! If there  is multiplayer I will see you on the battlefield 

You had to mention the MP. Consider this thread lost now.

[Pwner1323]

thegreateski wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

If TIM steps out of line then my Shepard will kill him and replace him with someone else.

Himself!?

Perhaps. But the Shepard I'm talking about is much better at fighting then at leading folks. He would like to give the position to someone like Mr. House (Fallout: New Vegas).

Killed him too (I saw him like TIM, evil and charismatic) and went with the independent path. I was smarter anyway (int. 10, science/repair/medicine 100). I love taking over stuff.

Modifié par Pwner1323, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:10 .

[thegreateski]

*edited*

Irrelevant

Modifié par thegreateski, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:25 .

[RAF1940]

Nightodie wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Cerberus does not have the competence, resources, or motivations for me to consider leavig it with them.

They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.

They have proven, time after time, that they are not working for the betterment of all, or even that of humanity, but for TIM's deranged vision of what humanity should be.

^^^THIS!!!^^^

Same for me.

[lovgreno]

RAF1940 wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Cerberus does not have the competence, resources, or motivations for me to consider leavig it with them.

They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.

They have proven, time after time, that they are not working for the betterment of all, or even that of humanity, but for TIM's deranged vision of what humanity should be.

^^^THIS!!!^^^

Same for me.

I basicaly agree but at the same time I must admit that if there is something usefull there it's better if even Failberus have it than if no one have it. So I can agree with most people arguing for keeping it as well.

But personaly I don't think there is anyone I could trust handling a active reaper base safely, least of all the small, isolated, too idealistic and incompetent Cerberus. Better to make sure it won't make anymore reapers than hoping for a reaper killing Deus Ex Machina that might not even exist outside of TIMmys wishfull thinking.

[Wulfram]

I'd keep it if I didn't have to allow TIM to assume control of the place - maybe put Mordin in charge. But that doesn't seem to be an option, so it's got to be destroyed

[JuicElawl]

destroyed it. what if the collectors were immune to the radiation pulse, or what if some other collector ships came back after the pulse?



besides, if one tiny little normandy ship can blow up a reaper-enhanced collector ship, we've already got the tech to beat the tech which the reapers gave to the collectors anyway.

[Sajuro]

thegreateski wrote...

Kept it. It's literally going to be raining Reaper tech in ME3. Everyone is going to be on equal footing (or dead) by the time the war is over.

Giving the base to TIM just means that he'll get a head start on reverse engineering the Collector's tech. Tech we may be able to use in ME3 against the Reapers.

Tech that you two-shotted with a cruiser, tech that wasn't able to stop twelve spunky squadmates and shepard from tearing **** up. All the tech you need is the collector's beam

[RAF1940]

Sajuro wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kept it. It's literally going to be raining Reaper tech in ME3. Everyone is going to be on equal footing (or dead) by the time the war is over.

Giving the base to TIM just means that he'll get a head start on reverse engineering the Collector's tech. Tech we may be able to use in ME3 against the Reapers.

Tech that you two-shotted with a cruiser, tech that wasn't able to stop twelve spunky squadmates and shepard from tearing **** up. All the tech you need is the collector's beam

Great point.

[Vaenier]

Sajuro wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kept it. It's literally going to be raining Reaper tech in ME3. Everyone is going to be on equal footing (or dead) by the time the war is over.

Giving the base to TIM just means that he'll get a head start on reverse engineering the Collector's tech. Tech we may be able to use in ME3 against the Reapers.

Tech that you two-shotted with a cruiser, tech that wasn't able to stop twelve spunky squadmates and shepard from tearing **** up. All the tech you need is the collector's beam

A lack of ability to write is poor evidance to use in its lack of future ability. If anything, that just makes it even more likely they will write something stupid like it having a reaper kill virus that would be pointless for reapers to possess.

[Sajuro]

Vaenier wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Kept it. It's literally going to be raining Reaper tech in ME3. Everyone is going to be on equal footing (or dead) by the time the war is over.

Giving the base to TIM just means that he'll get a head start on reverse engineering the Collector's tech. Tech we may be able to use in ME3 against the Reapers.

Tech that you two-shotted with a cruiser, tech that wasn't able to stop twelve spunky squadmates and shepard from tearing **** up. All the tech you need is the collector's beam

A lack of ability to write is poor evidance to use in its lack of future ability. If anything, that just makes it even more likely they will write something stupid like it having a reaper kill virus that would be pointless for reapers to possess.

No, it's showing that the collector's got all of the stuff that the reapers didn't want anymore, that is hardly going to be what kills them.

[RAF1940]

I thought that giving it to The Illusive Man would be a bad idea.

[Sidac]

I kept it. While the rest of the galaxy is sittin around with their thumbs up their ass the only group doing anything about the reaper / collector threat deserves to keep it whether you want to work for them or not. If that means that other races die do to their own lack of action so be it. If no other race is taking action to prepare for the threat, then the deserve what is comming to them. Cerberus is willing to rise up tot he challenge so Im behind them 100%. Just wish Anderson would join me on the "Dark side".

I kept it on BOTH paragon and renegade playthrus. Only reason I killed the council in ME1 is due to their lack of action. Id kill the human council off in a heartbeat given the chance due to their lack of inaction as well.

Modifié par Sidac, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:45 .

[James2912]

Sidac wrote...

I kept it. While the rest of the galaxy is sittin around with their thumbs up their ass the only group doing anything about the reaper / collector threat deserves to keep it whether you want to work for them or not. If that means that other races die do to their own lack of action so be it. No need to fook yourself over just to be a council lapdog again. Id rather be a human lapdog.

Me likes!

[Ryzaki]

Vaenier wrote...


A lack of ability to write is poor evidance to use in its lack of future ability. If anything, that just makes it even more likely they will write something stupid like it having a reaper kill virus that would be pointless for reapers to possess.

Shep finds some magical reaper virius and uploads it to some magical data uplink that the reapers are all connected to despite the reapers saying that they are all independant and it'll destory them all.

Just wait...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Cerberus does not have the competence, resources, or motivations for me to consider leavig it with them.
They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.
They
have proven, time after time, that they are not working for the
betterment of all, or even that of humanity, but for TIM's deranged
vision of what humanity should be.

This.

[Omnicrat]

darthbuert wrote...

Nightodie wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Cerberus does not have the competence, resources, or motivations for me to consider leavig it with them.

They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.

They have proven, time after time, that they are not working for the betterment of all, or even that of humanity, but for TIM's deranged vision of what humanity should be.

^^^THIS!!!^^^

^^ This in triplicate.

I don't believe for one second that TIM has humanity's best interests at heart, but rather his own self-serving interests. He is able to use "humanity" as an excellent cover (or bonus) for his ideals and goals, but when you boil it all down; he's just an ambitious and selfish bastard that wants to take control of the galaxy. He's no better than a Reaper himself, in my eyes.

Consider this...Once Shepard (if the council is allowed to die at the end of Mass Effect 1) sets things up for their to be an "all-human" council, he has already effectively gotten all that he claims he wants...humans have at that point gained dominance of the galaxy...Remember that the council is "The HUB" of the galaxy. All important decisions that affect it go through them. Period. In fact their Spectre's are allowed to pretty much do whatever they want with little to no restrictions in most cases...That is power.

Does TIM relinquish his mantra at that time?...no...it's the same as it always was...even though humans "have" dominated. He wants to be the one to call the shots, his way...plain and simple.

There is never an all-human council, just a council that is/feels strong-armed by humans.

[Sidac]

AntiChri5 wrote...
They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.

When you're only shown examples where they fail I too would agree but how many organizations are attempting what they Cerberus is doing? None that come to my mind. Those who are willing to take the leap of faith and test things first normally fail a lot first.

[Omnicrat]

Sidac wrote...

I kept it. While the rest of the galaxy is sittin around with their thumbs up their ass the only group doing anything about the reaper / collector threat deserves to keep it whether you want to work for them or not. If that means that other races die do to their own lack of action so be it. If no other race is taking action to prepare for the threat, then the deserve what is comming to them. Cerberus is willing to rise up tot he challenge so Im behind them 100%. Just wish Anderson would join me on the "Dark side".

I kept it on BOTH paragon and renegade playthrus. Only reason I killed the council in ME1 is due to their lack of action. Id kill the human council off in a heartbeat given the chance due to their lack of inaction as well.

There is not  a human council.  There is a council lead by the human councilor, but thats it.

[Omnicrat]

in playthrough order



me: I destroy it. Tim has been manipulating me AND he is a xenophobe that wants to see humans rule the galaxy. I was never in Cerberus in the first place, I just used him to fulfill my goal of protecting innocents, so its time to let him know.



stereogon: I destroy it. It was the right thing to do. Tim is evil and should be fought whenever possible... why I ever listened to him I'm not quite sure, but now I get to do what I want and abandon him.



stereogade: I save it. Tim is my soulmate. I bring power to Humanity AND Cerberus, whats not to like?



Human Supremacist: I save it. We must use the tech to conquer the galaxy, driving the other races into extinction or using them as our slave. ...what? Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's something in there that would be good for killing Reapers too.



Dark Hero: I destroy it. While it would be nice to use the tech, Cerberus is too f**king human supremacist and I don't trust tim as far as I can through grunt.



Whatever-it-takes: I save it. I don't like Cerberus. I don't trust Cerberus. I have to choose between handing over the most advanced tech in the galaxy to terrorists or risking extinction at the hands (okay, mechanical tentacles) of the reapers. We must survive.



Random: What ever comes up on on the d6.

[lovgreno]

Sidac wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
They have proven, time after time, that they have no bloody clue how to keep a dangerous project from becoming a disaster.

When you're only shown examples where they fail I too would agree but how many organizations are attempting what they Cerberus is doing? None that come to my mind. Those who are willing to take the leap of faith and test things first normally fail a lot first.

That is all well and good untill something goes completely FUBAR. Cerberus managed to screw up to the point of threatening the whole galaxy with the rampaging David in the Overlord DLC. This could have weakened the galaxy enough to ensure a reaper victory. Do we realy want to risk them doing it again with the base? Next time Shepard may not be able to be Cerberus janitor for failed experiments eating the redshirts.