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[LordShrike]

@ Sajuro:

Not a fan of that shell idea, myself.(makes no darn sense!!!) Tho it would explain why Reapers came to London. (Where else it's going to be? x_x) You make a good point on building that case, if there's even an obscure ref in ME3 it's as good as confirmed to me. People are stupid just like that...

[Sajuro]

@LordShrike:

I support it because it would be crazy awesome to have, and would break up the Saren like boss fights (you heard it here first, or third, or twenty-ninth>.>) My bets would be that the Reaper would be somewhere around South America or Africa, maybe the Mediterranean or Bermuda Triangle. I know we can say 'oh people are stupid' but the brilliant part of it is that going over to the stronger side is basic survival instinct, and when you are genuinely terrified of being killed off, logic doesn't intervene.

[LordShrike]

@ Sajuro:

First time i have heard that one. Have been keeping tabs on all threads with Reaper on them so...

Have a cookie, five hundred internets and a Caf-Pow for being original.

Point taken in that "Stupidnes race to extinction" thing. But survival does not count in a situation where you are not actually being told that "we will save you". (Beyond the normal religious DooDoo i mean.) I think Reaper Cults ain't gonna be truthful about their agenda, so... Back to square one, logic should count, people stupid.

[scarface71795]

This should explain why you should keep it

[BounceDK]

Hearing the elusive man talking about humanity I decided to destroy it. I didn't want to put my buddy Mordin in harms way, plus human goo in a giant robot isn't exactly worth tinkering with any further (ethically nor story wise).

[Markinator_123]

scarface71795 wrote...


This should explain why you should keep it

LOL! Shepard's reaction and the Illusive Man dancing

Shepard: "You've got to be kidding"
TIM: "You should have kept the base moron!"

[aeetos21]

Well if you read Retribution (or look at the spoilers like I did) its pretty obvious what he does with the base whether you keep it or not. I'm sure there will be some payoff in ME3 if you keep it but it won't be anywhere near what some of the people on here are claiming.

[Dean_the_Young]

Retribution makes no claim to being the pinnacle or sum total of Collector Base technology.

[Vaenier]

aeetos21 wrote...

Well if you read Retribution (or look at the spoilers like I did) its pretty obvious what he does with the base whether you keep it or not. I'm sure there will be some payoff in ME3 if you keep it but it won't be anywhere near what some of the people on here are claiming.

I dont understand how it did not get sucked into a black hole. The area around the base was being artificially kept stable by a mass effect field generator. There was only one thing in the area, the collector base. Yet after the Collector base is destroyed and the area is magically maintained.

Maybe Cerberus managed to build a plot hole generator to counter the worm hole.

[Dean_the_Young]

Or maybe everything isn't magically sucked up instantly.

[Vaenier]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or maybe everything isn't magically sucked up instantly.

Shouldnt gravity effect it right away? They are parked right next to a bunch of black holes.

can "gravity" move faster than light?

[aeetos21]

Excellent point, though whose to say that field generator was even on the collector base? It seems just as likely to me that there would some sort of network surrounding the safe zone or something that would help maintain it (or at least thats something BW could try to argue).

I believe light is sucked into black holes once you pass a certain point, the event horizon if I remember correctly.

Modifié par aeetos21, 13 février 2011 - 07:28 .

[Vaenier]

This is a plot hole, correct? The story acts against logic without an explanation. That term is so hard to define.

[aeetos21]

It will probably be a retcon or plot hole yes, at best a very shaky patch to a severed artery really. Still there are other plot holes that people tend to overlook (exposed skin to the vacuum of space comes to mind) so I don't see why people would be surprised.

[cloudstrife070]

i did not destroy the base cause i think that will be need to destroy the reapers, but i don´t trust TIM and i think he will became a villain in mass effect 3.

[Vaenier]

aeetos21 wrote...

It will probably be a retcon or plot hole yes, at best a very shaky patch to a severed artery really. Still there are other plot holes that people tend to overlook (exposed skin to the vacuum of space comes to mind) so I don't see why people would be surprised.

Oh ya, lets not forget the Normandy went FTL into a black hole to escape the explosion. I guess Bioware just forgot they were in the galactic core... Holes. Holes everywhere.

So aparently the collector base was made of magic and bent reality around it. Definitally a reason to keep it.

[LordShrike]

Who said the stabilizing components were in the base? More reasonable would be the that they were in the debrii cloud around the base. Oh, and SR-2 needed only to escape initial blast, not actually to make a jump anywhere. And where is our collector base DLC? Paragon be damned i wanna know!
Edit:
Oh, gravity is actually just there, it does not have a speed. Weird, i Know.. Lotta links would be required, so Meh.

Modifié par LordShrike, 13 février 2011 - 08:14 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Vaenier wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or maybe everything isn't magically sucked up instantly.

Shouldnt gravity effect it right away? They are parked right next to a bunch of black holes.

can "gravity" move faster than light?

They parked it around a bunch of black holes. Competing gravitational influences can mitigate the effects, as it's not like they're at the point of no return. Simply because they would gradually drift away doesn't mean it would be instantaneous: we have plenty of orbital debris over our planet that's falling into the gravity well, and has been for decades. Even if it was a process that took days, Cerberus has the IFF and could do eleventh hour scavenging within hours of Shepard blowing the base up.

Nor, for that matter, is it said the mass effect generators are responsible the pocket of stable space. The mass effect generators were for the integrity station itself, not the entire pocket of space.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 13 février 2011 - 08:15 .

[Vaenier]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or maybe everything isn't magically sucked up instantly.

Shouldnt gravity effect it right away? They are parked right next to a bunch of black holes.

can "gravity" move faster than light?

They parked it around a bunch of black holes. Competing gravitational influences can mitigate the effects, as it's not like they're at the point of no return. Simply because they would gradually drift away doesn't mean it would be instantaneous: we have plenty of orbital debris over our planet that's falling into the gravity well, and has been for decades. Even if it was a process that took days, Cerberus has the IFF and could do eleventh hour scavenging within hours of Shepard blowing the base up.

Nor, for that matter, is it said the mass effect generators are responsible the pocket of stable space. The mass effect generators were for the integrity station itself, not the entire pocket of space.

Hmm, so being between two large gravity wells does not mean you are ripped apart? gravity doesnt cancel itself out, both effects will be pulling full force at the same time in opposite directions. oh well, guess i just dont know enough.

physics is hard

LordShrike wrote...

Oh, gravity is actually just there, it does not have a speed. Weird, i Know.. Lotta links would be required, so Meh.

Mass effects fields negate gravity. I was wondering once the field turns off if the gravity would instantly return, or if there would be a wave.

Modifié par Vaenier, 13 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[LordShrike]

@ Vaenier:
Being at the center of those forces would rip you apart. This should explain it.
http://en.wikipedia..../Lagrange_point
Hope that helps. And yes the wave thing: it is or it is not. No speed.  Can't put it to words, not good enough in engrish.

Modifié par LordShrike, 13 février 2011 - 08:25 .

[Pro_Consul]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They parked it around a bunch of black holes. Competing gravitational influences can mitigate the effects, as it's not like they're at the point of no return. Simply because they would gradually drift away doesn't mean it would be instantaneous: we have plenty of orbital debris over our planet that's falling into the gravity well, and has been for decades. Even if it was a process that took days, Cerberus has the IFF and could do eleventh hour scavenging within hours of Shepard blowing the base up.

This one doesn't work. Competing gravitational fields do not just cancel each other out to create semi-stable pockets in the middle. They create tides, which pull things in multiple directions simultaneously. And when the gravity fields are particularly strong, as with black holes, those tides tend to rip things into teensy, tiny little pieces.

Nor, for that matter, is it said the mass effect generators are responsible the pocket of stable space. The mass effect generators were for the integrity station itself, not the entire pocket of space.

Now this theory works much better. If BW bothered to write themselves a way to close that plot hole, this would be an excellent candidate.


Edit: dang it. Ninja'ed by that indoctinated penguin collaborator, Shrike.

Modifié par Pro_Consul, 13 février 2011 - 08:27 .

[LordShrike]

@ Pro_Consul: Just Tought: Damn, time travel ninja'ed by you. Loltastic.

[Pro_Consul]

Vaenier wrote...

Mass effects fields negate gravity. I was wondering once the field turns off if the gravity would instantly return, or if there would be a wave.

Won't go deeply into the theoretical physics of space-time curvature, but the short answer is: gravity is instantaneous. However, if the ME field collapsed inward, shrinking instead of just instantly poofing out of existence, then that would make it look like  gravity had returned in the form of a wave.

[Dean_the_Young]

Vaenier wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or maybe everything isn't magically sucked up instantly.

Shouldnt gravity effect it right away? They are parked right next to a bunch of black holes.

can "gravity" move faster than light?

They parked it around a bunch of black holes. Competing gravitational influences can mitigate the effects, as it's not like they're at the point of no return. Simply because they would gradually drift away doesn't mean it would be instantaneous: we have plenty of orbital debris over our planet that's falling into the gravity well, and has been for decades. Even if it was a process that took days, Cerberus has the IFF and could do eleventh hour scavenging within hours of Shepard blowing the base up.


Nor, for that matter, is it said the mass effect generators are responsible the pocket of stable space. The mass effect generators were for the integrity station itself, not the entire pocket of space.

Hmm, so being between two large gravity wells does not mean you are ripped apart? gravity doesnt cancel itself out, both effects will be pulling full force at the same time in opposite directions. oh well, guess i just dont know enough.

physics is hard

Welcome to the world of Lagrangian points.

The gravity wouldn't 'rip apart' things any more than pulling on anything would make it rip apart. Which is to say, you can do it, but it requires a lot of force, and after a point gravity from the black holes is more likely to pull the debris to the point of no return than to atomize it. Small things (which tech scavenging could/would come from) are harder to pull apart. There can be strong gravitational effects without being that strong.

The point wasn't that the pocket of space exists because of mass effect fields, but rather that a base of significant size necessary to maintain the Collectors would need one to endure.

LordShrike wrote...

Oh, gravity is actually just there, it does not have a speed. Weird, i Know.. Lotta links would be required, so Meh.

Mass effects fields negate gravity. I was wondering once the field turns off if the gravity would instantly return, or if there would be a wave.

Mass Effect fields don't negate gravity, they change the density of the substance the field passes through, making it either denser or less dense through psuedo-science plot device. Density changing effects gravity as an effect, but mass effects can be used either way.

In reality, gravity doesn't have a speed (as we know it), being a function of mass and distance, and mass-changing doesn't really exist, as we understand by conservation of energy and the concept of e = mc^2, which shows that energy and mass are related. If you were to blow up a space station into a thousand pieces, the mass and energy doesn't change, and the gravity from all the individual components still exists.

[Dean_the_Young]

Pro_Consul wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They parked it around a bunch of black holes. Competing gravitational influences can mitigate the effects, as it's not like they're at the point of no return. Simply because they would gradually drift away doesn't mean it would be instantaneous: we have plenty of orbital debris over our planet that's falling into the gravity well, and has been for decades. Even if it was a process that took days, Cerberus has the IFF and could do eleventh hour scavenging within hours of Shepard blowing the base up.

This one doesn't work. Competing gravitational fields do not just cancel each other out to create semi-stable pockets in the middle. They create tides, which pull things in multiple directions simultaneously. And when the gravity fields are particularly strong, as with black holes, those tides tend to rip things into teensy, tiny little pieces.

Only if you're in a piece of space where those gravitational fields are that strong at that distance.

If, however, you choose a plot in space in which the gravitational fields are not that overpoweringly strong...

The point I was making wasn't that gravity cancelled itself, but that the debris field wouldn't necessarily be swept away instantly with the loss of the base.