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[Phaedon]

The comic is actually free as far as I know.

[WilliamShatner]

Phaedon wrote...

The writing for the comic was pretty solid.

The writing for this comic makes 300 look like Hamlet.

[CroGamer002]

Captain Crash wrote...

I think you missed Mesina's sarcasm there David

Yeah, that.

[AlexMBrennan]

On a more serious note, is the interactive comic likely to be released* for those who don't have a PS3?

*Not counting Apple iTunes-exclusive apps

[ciaweth]

Wow. I'm not nearly as irked by the things that got left out as I am by the amount of important plot and character info that the comic gets just plain wrong. Ick.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...

... and who the heck calls someone older than them a "good kid"?

Only canon Shepard -- the symbol of douchebaggery.

[Ieldra]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
If this is what we can expect from Shepard in ME3 I fear the worst. ME2's condescending SuperShep is already annoying enough. Can we now expect him to treat his team like children? And that with him, given his behaviour, having a level of intelligence Liara, Tali or Miranda could only laugh at? Hell, they could treat him as a child and would be more justified.

I'd blame the writer, not Shepard

I do, believe me. Up to this point, I had a non-neutral but detached position in the "writer wars". But Shepard in this is really the last straw. I want to play as someone else. 

[DavidXlongshot]

Mesina2 wrote...

DavidXlongshot wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Why should I? I´m not paid for it. They had plenty of options of how to tell ME1´s story and they again decided to go through "cool comics stuff" way. These comics are just killing ME universe...at least for me.

They were paid to do this comic?

Why do you think people make comics, to get paid or would they just do everything for free and starve to death, They do call it a job for a reason

I meant this specific comic.
I'm not stupid.

Well of course they would get paid for the specific comic,

[Phaedon]

Babli wrote...
Minority? Look at this thread. Everyone except "BIOWARE CAN DO NO WRONG!!!" fanboys are complaining here about low quality of that comic.

Oh, and..cool story, bro.

I hoped that everyone had understood already that the active posters on BSN are actually the minority. 

What's your point anyway? You said that you wouldn't be able to provide a better presentation of ME1 yourself, for the sole reason that you are not paid for it. Well, guess who else isn't! 

The comic (art,writing and voice acting combined) was acceptable so far, call it average if you wish, complaining about retconing is rather hillarious if you ask for my honest opinnion. Their job was to suck the PS3 newcomers into the universe and give them a basic description of the story/characters.

'But that's not enough!'
'Did they need to do anything more?'
'Yes, the comic should be more true to Mass Effect and contain Conrad Verner and-'
'Does it provide you with a basic presentation of the story/characters/universe?'
'Yes, but-'
'Do the PS3 gamers need anything more?'
'No, but-'
'What was the basic reason behind the comic?'
'To bring PS3 players up to speed'
'Did it succeed?'
'Yes, but it's an outrage for the rest of the com-'
'Are you a PS3 player and dissatisfied by the introduction to the sequel?'
'No.'

[GodWood]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I do, believe me. Up to this point, I had a non-neutral but detached position in the "writer wars". But Shepard in this is really the last straw. I want to play as someone else. 

I personally just retcon most of what Shepard says and does.
It helps.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I do, believe me. Up to this point, I had a non-neutral but detached position in the "writer wars". But Shepard in this is really the last straw. I want to play as someone else. 

[CroGamer002]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

... and who the heck calls someone older than them a "good kid"?

Only canon Shepard -- the symbol of douchebaggery.

That doesn't make sense.

[HBC Dresden]

The comic should have been structured like the game, each main mission followed a lead on Saren but also revealed a piece of the vision.



Oh well, at least it is free. Right, does this mean there are only two outcomes of the Council choice now, even though there are actually 3 different variations of it in the 360/PC version?

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
Minority? Look at this thread. Everyone except "BIOWARE CAN DO NO WRONG!!!" fanboys are complaining here about low quality of that comic.

Oh, and..cool story, bro.

'But that's not enough!'
'Did they need to do anything more?'
'Yes, the comic should be more true to Mass Effect and contain Feros and-no retconing and mistakes'
'Does it provide you with a basic presentation of the story/characters/universe?'
'Not with real characters in game. I fail to see how Kaidan is good kid etc.'
'Do the PS3 gamers need anything more?'
'Well, they at least wont be so dissapointed with ME 2´s plot'
'What was the basic reason behind the comic?'
'To bring PS3 players up to speed'
'Did it succeed?'
'We dont know yet.'
'Are you a PS3 player and dissatisfied by the introduction to the sequel?'
'I, neither you cant speak for them'

Fixed for you.

[Sparrow44]

I'm curious does the comic allow you to choose your military background/place of origin as I don't see that mentioned at all?

[The Smoking Man]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

The writing for the comic was pretty solid.

Sure, if you like retconing, mistakes and dismissing of ME 1. Then its just awesome.

I have already said this, the comic itself was acceptable but not impressive. As for the retconning, I suggest that you personally try to describe ME1's story to a friend/random person, while being closely watched by a platoon of BSN's famous nitpickers. Please, go ahead, do it.

Well, I, for one, would get the part where the Citadel is a mass relay linking to dark space right, something that Mac Waters's Interactive Backstory Comic didn't do. My recap of the story also wouldn't involve Liara wearing an obviously sexualized outfit, or even wearing her casual attire in combat.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:14 .

[Phaedon]

'Not with real characters in game. I fail to see how Kaidan is good kid etc.'

Kaidan is obviously not a goody two shoes, as clearly presented in ME1, but rather a renegade overlord attempting to build a castle out of lolipops, which were previously stolen by babies, using biotics.

'Well, they at least wont be so dissapointed with ME 2´s plot'

Indeed, because the general consensus is that it sucked!

'We dont know yet.'

I'd like to see how you support that claim.

'I, neither you cant speak for them'

I own a PS3.

Well, I, for one, would get the part where the Citadel is a mass relay linking to dark space right, something that Mac Waters's Interactive Backstory Comic didn't do.

Something that was never mentioned in ME2.

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:13 .

[FsDxRAGE]

Sparroww wrote...

I'm curious does the comic allow you to choose your military background/place of origin as I don't see that mentioned at all?

Not that I saw.

[The Smoking Man]

Phaedon wrote...

Something that was never mentioned in ME2.

Something (a big something, mind you) that was mentioned in ME1. Unless you're trying to pull a Turian Councilor on me and say "Ah yes, 'Mass Effect 1'! We have dismissed its claims."

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:15 .

[Phaedon]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Something that was never mentioned in ME2.

Something that was mentioned in ME1. Unless you're trying to pull a Turian Councilor on me and say "Ah yes, 'Mass Effect 1'! We have dismissed its claims."

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I don't care what anybody says, I like Mark Meer's voice. He IS Commander Shepard and this narrration is great. It really adds authenticity to his character, I think. Love it!



Not too sure about the comic itself, though. It just would have been so much better to have ME1 on PS3 as well. A comic just doesn't do that game justice and you aren't going to feel the same about the decisions you make within it without playing the real game.



Well, I suppose they've done what they could at least. It's just a shame for PS3 gamers.



Oh, and if anything, this proves that ME1 had a much better story than ME2.

[The Smoking Man]

Phaedon wrote...

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's now looking more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:20 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

... and who the heck calls someone older than them a "good kid"?

Only canon Shepard -- the symbol of douchebaggery.

That doesn't make sense.

I actually meant default Shepard, not canon (since there is no canon). "Default" is the one you get by not importing.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:20 .

[Phaedon]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's looking now more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

While I understand your concern, I wouldn't worry too much. This part is a detail, and Mac Walters did cut 90% of the details.