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[Darth_Ravor]

after watching it a few times i realize its not that bad, with the exception of not mentioning the geth even once!

[Jonathan Shepard]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's now looking more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

I fear the same. <_<

[The Smoking Man]

Phaedon wrote...

The Smoking Man wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's looking now more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

While I understand your concern, I wouldn't worry too much. This part is a detail, and Mac Walters did cut 90% of the details.

It's a significant detail. And it wasn't merely "cut", it was fundamentally changed. There is a huge difference between "there are mass relays linking to dark space that are controlled by the Citadel" and "the Citadel is actually a mass relay that links to dark space".

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...
Kaidan is obviously not a goody two shoes, as clearly presented in ME1, but rather a renegade overlord attempting to build a castle out of lolipops, which were previously stolen by babies, using biotics.

Kaidan is older then Shep. Therefore he isnt "kid"

Indeed, because the general consensus is that it sucked!

I´m not talking about general consensus. But many people who played first ME were dissapointed.

I'd like to see how you support that claim.

I´d like to see how you support your previous claim about this. Since game still isnt out.

I own a PS3.

But you were introduced into ME universe before.

Modifié par Babli, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:24 .

[Sparrow44]

The Smoking Man wrote...

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's now looking more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

Thing is I wouldn't mind too much if some things are retconned, stuff in ME1 and ME2 have plotholes that could be corrected in 3. Problem with that is they'd need some serious explanation and I'm only worried that BW half-asses it and doesn't explain things again, pretty much leaving more questions unanswered by the end.

[FsDxRAGE]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

While, as I said, it could have been done better, I don't see how that is essential to your introduction in ME2.

The real problem with it is when you consider Mac Waters wrote that comic. And he couldn't get that fact straight. This has bad implications for ME3. I once jokingly said in a thread speculating about how the Reapers would get to Earth that "they traveled through a plot hole". Except it's looking now more like that isn't just going to be a joke.

The thing that bothers me is it felt like there was very little effort put into it and the attention to details was appalling. As a writer, one of the first things you do and do very carefully is research, research, and research. It was like all they/Walters had in mind was that this comic was just going to be viewed to the PS3 players. Sure it was meant to be viewed by them, but that doesn't mean you can get sloppy on the details.

[CroGamer002]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I don't care what anybody says, I like Mark Meer's voice. He IS Commander Shepard and this narrration is great. It really adds authenticity to his character, I think. Love it!

Agreed, but I really wanted 3rd person to read comic.
Like Codex narrator or Admiral Hacket

Not too sure about the comic itself, though. It just would have been so much better to have ME1 on PS3 as well. A comic just doesn't do that game justice and you aren't going to feel the same about the decisions you make within it without playing the real game.

For billionth time Microsoft has rights on ME1 and won't let Sony, their biggest competitor, to get any penny from one of their most successful games.

Well, I suppose they've done what they could at least. It's just a shame for PS3 gamers.

Oh, and if anything, this proves that ME1 had a much better story than ME2.

Gee, you just discovered America.

[Phaedon]

Babli wrote...
Kaidan is older then Shep. Therefore he isnt "kid"

Superior officers. 

I´m not talking about general consensus. But many people who played first ME were dissapointed.

Democracy. 

I´d like to see how you support your previous claim about this. Since game still isnt out.

Support the fact that this description of ME1 is not generic enough to not bring players up to speed? I'll show it to a friend, see what he says.

But you were introduced into ME universe before.

And?

Did you even played first Mass Effect? lol

4 playthroughs. Twas never mentioned on the sequel. The Cipher wasn't either!

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:27 .

[The Smoking Man]

Sparroww wrote...

Thing is I wouldn't mind too much if some things are retconned, stuff in ME1 and ME2 have plotholes that could be corrected in 3. Problem with that is they'd need some serious explanation and I'm only worried that BW half-asses it and doesn't explain things again, pretty much leaving more questions unanswered by the end.

Retcons are something that should only be done as a "last resort". They definitely don't need to resort to retconning the Citadel twist in order to allow the events of ME3 to happen. First, there is the often speculated possibility that Haestrom's sun is being haxed to create a gateway of sorts to dark space. A less convoluted and more believable possibility involves Omega: in Retribution, it's very heavily implied that Omega, like the Citadel, is actually a Reaper construct, which opens up the possiblity of it being a backup dark space relay.

[Phaedon]

The thing that bothers me is it felt like there was very little effort put into it and the attention to details was appalling. As a writer, one of the first things you do and do very carefully is research, research, and research. It was like all they/Walters had in mind was that this comic was just going to be viewed to the PS3 players. Sure it was meant to be viewed by them, but that doesn't mean you can get sloppy on the details.

just going to be viewed to the PS3 players. Sure it was meant to be viewed by them.

Why are you contradicting yourself? Did you want to be filled in in the first ME and felt dissatisfied? No? Then why are you complaining? Who cares if they got sloppy on the details when that wasn't even their intention?

[cachx]

Just watched it. It was ok. Did a pretty good job on being informative in the limited running time.

I'm not sure I agree with leaving Feros completely out of the comic (even though Feros adds very little in the broad scope).

The only thing that worries me is IF we will see the ME2 cameos, it just doesn't feel right not having Gianna, Conrad and Shiala.

Also I don't know why enforce the Council Leader decision, you can already re-make that choice in ME2 anyway.

Oh and the art was ugly, but then again, I haven't liked the art in any ME comic.

[RAF1940]

This comic flat out sucks.

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
Kaidan is older then Shep. Therefore he isnt "kid"

Superior officers. 

I´m not talking about general consensus. But many people who played first ME were dissapointed.

Democracy. 

I´d like to see how you support your previous claim about this. Since game still isnt out.

Support the fact that this description of ME1 is not generic enough to not bring players up to speed? I'll show it to a friend, see what he says.

But you were introduced into ME universe before.

And?

I disagree with everything you wrote. It´s annoying to trying reasoning with demagogue.
Good day, and enjoy your instantly retconned universe.
We could be friends irl, but internet is tough place for people.

Modifié par Babli, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Dionkey]

Leaving Feros out and messing up on a few things here and there, not including the Geth, that was terrible. I give it a 6/10, could have been much better.

[Phaedon]

Err...demagogues are people who try to make a portion of the population join their ideology? (And then manipulate and control them).

I don't see how you can't reason with me, I consider my opinion to be neutral. Comic was average, but it did it's job.

If you had a valid point, i'd agree with you, but waving the retcon banner over a thing that was supposed to fill newcomers in is just wrong.

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...
but waving the retcon banner over a thing that was supposed to fill newcomers in is just wrong.

It´s not because ME 3 is supposed to be continuation of first and second ME and now we have 2 versions of ME 1 but only one ME 3. Think about it.

[RAF1940]

If I were to use it, I'd want it just to make the choices. It doesn't tell the story too well.

[Phaedon]

Babli wrote...
It´s not because ME 3 is supposed to be continuation of first and second ME and now we have 2 versions of ME 1 but only one ME 3. Think about it.

This would be valid if it's purpose was to expand the story. It was not.

[morrie23]

When you 'fill in newcomers' with information that is different from what's in the game for no real reason, that is just wrong.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Pacifien wrote...

Random thought. I am a female Commander Shepard. "Lieutenant Alenko... good kid... then we ****ed."

You best have your lock hammer ready, Pacifien. I foresee a legion of pedophilia jokes in the near future.

Honestly, I hope this is not the writing quality expected of ME3 because bloody hell is this cheesy. While I may not have anticipated Shakespeare, I would have imagined the comic would have been held with a superior degree of integrity. In simplistic terms, they game across as Transformers and it should have been Batman .

Oh and joy, Liara's breasts magically be quite prominent in that artwork. When you compare that to the horrendous drawing of Wrex. It is clearly apparent what took priority. And why is Garrus flying through the air dual wielding assault rifles? I know I am nitpicking but come on. This screams "SUPER HEROES!"

Regardless, it is all the more obvious the plot is being seriously retcon'd to accommodate for Mass Effect: Power Rangers, or so it would seem.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:48 .

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Babli wrote...
It´s not because ME 3 is supposed to be continuation of first and second ME and now we have 2 versions of ME 1 but only one ME 3. Think about it.

This would be valid if it's purpose was to expand the story. It was not.

It got some facts wrong, not to mention, that some things were not even mentioned. So its still valid.

[FsDxRAGE]

morrie23 wrote...

When you 'fill in newcomers' with information that is different from what's in the game for no real reason, that is just wrong.

Reason. You have found it.

[JamieCOTC]

repost from LDT

The comic is bad because the comic was rushed and done on the cheap. I mean, ripped off the bone and slapped through the grinder in the same motion. I know some comic artists and just by looking at the art of this thing I can tell they didn't have much time w/ it. The art varies from "acceptable" to sloppy. Also, the artist was obviously supplied photo references and did not do his or her own research into the game. That's not uncommon, but artists w/ initiative usually care about getting things right ... unless they are rushed. Another thing is that characters such as Anderson look different from panel to panel. This tells me that whoever edited the comic either didn't care about the continuity of characterizations, was rushed or both. The giggling Liara in SR2's com room could be due to any number of descriptive cues from "shot of Liara displaying affection for Shepard in Com room" to "shot of Liara." Unless he went completely nuts Walters, or whoever wrote this thing, probably didn't direct Liara to act like a Manga schoolgirl. Either the artist had no concept of who Liara was and fell back on cliches or was rushed and fell back on cliches.

Another thing this comic gets wrong is that it is done in first person narrative and ME1 was third person narrative. While I do eagerly await femShep voicing her own tale, it should have been kept third person and allowed the other actors to voice their own characters, but I'm sure that would have been too expensive.

All that said, comic adaptations just don't condense information, they have to have their own voice and this does that quite well. It's not the voice it should have been, but it does have its own distinctive voice. In the end a 15 minute comic compressing a 30 hour game was never going to be a good solution. But w/ more insight, more attention to continuity, more attention to detail, it could have been a much better experience.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:48 .

[The Smoking Man]

Genesis Citadel twist explanation:
"... But a few survived long enough to leave a parting gift: The Protheans had discovered that the Citadel was the key to controlling the mass relays. By sabotaging the Citadel, they found a way to close the relays to dark space, slowing the Reapers' return..."

Proposed revision (draft):
"... But a few survived long enough to leave a parting gift: The Protheans had discovered that the Citadel was actually a mass relay to dark space, where the Reapers were waiting. By sabotaging the Citadel, they closed the relay to dark space, slowing the Reapers' return..."

I just explained the Citadel twist properly while keeping my explanation almost as brief. There's no reason why Mac Waters couldn't have done the same. In fact, you could probably omit the "where the Reapers were waiting" bit, which actually makes it even shorter than the Genesis explanation.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:52 .

[Phaedon]

Babli wrote...
It got some facts wrong, not to mention, that some things were not even mentioned. So its still valid.

This actually not retcon. As unimpressive as it was due to some mistakes in the details now and then, you can't argue that it didn't do it's job, can you?