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[Naemi79]

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon is right.

Comic isn't badly written, it's just very missinformative of ME1.

Agreed!

[Naemi79]

The Smoking Man wrote...

Proposed revision (draft):
"... But a few survived long enough to leave a parting gift: The Protheans had discovered that the Citadel was actually a mass relay to dark space, where the Reapers were waiting. By sabotaging the Citadel, they closed the relay to dark space, slowing the Reapers' return..."

I just explained the Citadel twist properly while keeping my explanation almost as brief. There's no reason why Mac Waters couldn't have done the same. In fact, you could probably omit the "where the Reapers were waiting" bit, which actually makes it even shorter than the Genesis explanation.

This was what I thought I would hear in the genesis comic, but alas

[Naemi79]

Assasin4Hire wrote...

All I needed to know about Mass Effect 1 without everplaying it I learned from this video

I'm seriouse

This is better then the comic

[bjdbwea]

There were never many people in the video games industry who knew how to tell a story really well. Either it wasn't deemed to be necessary to spend time and money on it, or the good writers rather wrote books or movies. But BioWare were one of the few companies who did not have that problem. While sometimes generic, their stories and story telling were always among the best. Until ME 2. And this comic certainly isn't a masterpiece either.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 janvier 2011 - 12:06 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Naenwen wrote...

Assasin4Hire wrote...

All I needed to know about Mass Effect 1 without everplaying it I learned from this video

I'm seriouse

This is better then the comic

But! But!

No Feros! No Cypher!

No NIHLUS!

[Estelindis]

Like

With a few glaring exceptions, I think the art was quite good.

Mark Meer's voice acting was much richer and deeper, on the whole, than in the games - I find this to be a huge improvement.

The "just another routine mission" framing device reminded me of the parallels between the Joker/Kaidan/Shepard conversation at the start of ME1 and the Joker/Pressly conversation at the start of ME2.

The description of the prothean vision was very evocative.

Udina's fist of OUTRAGE made it into the comic.  

I thought it was good that they showed Kaidan at the bomb site and Ashley with the salarians.  I've always been quite ambivalent about the Virmire choice, and am never entirely sure who is the best marine to dedicate to each task - but, on balance, I think leaving the tech expert with the bomb and the weapons expert with the (relatively squashy) salarian infiltration team is probably the better choice.

Although it was cheesy, I thought the text for the romance culmination with Liara was quite nice.

Dislike

Kaidan Alenko, two and a half years older than Shepard (two in ME1 but three in ME2 implies this somewhat), and only one rank lower, is "a good kid."  Really?  And is it really so hard to get the single written instance of his name in the whole comic spelled right?  I'm not sure whether to hope it's also spelled wrong in the romance choice for FemShep, so that at least it'll be internally consistent, or to hope that they got it right at least once.  (Also, the art in Kaidan's desk picture looks kinda like a dark-haired version of the oh-so-pasty-and-childish-looking Disciple from KotOR II.  Ew.)

The description of Tali as "an energetic little quarian" is unbelievably condescending.  (As a random oddity: she wears her ME2 outfit, not her ME1 clothing.  But as her ME1 outfit is now seen on all female quarians but Tali, this is fair enough.)

Liara is, "like most asari, as beautiful as she is intelligent"...  This simultaneously objectifies Liara quite a bit and makes her sound like nothing special (i.e. objectifies pretty much the entire asari race at the same time). Also, I know that the added "and born with the unique ability to meld with other species" describes the whole asari race (or, um, "most asari" - what the frell?), but for some reason I felt the use of "unique" here implied that the ability was unique to Liara rather than the asari.  Confusing writing.  This impression could have been avoided by phrasing things differently.

More on Liara.  "Her technique for accessing my vision was unexpected, but not at all unpleasant."  This sounds very sleazy - it seems to imply that Shepard and Liara had mind-sex regardless of whether they ended up as romantic partners.  (I know they shared the vision in all playthroughs, but the phrasing, coming so soon after describing Liara's beauty, seems heavily laden.)

Then, putting the romantic choice directly after this - when we've had nothing on Ashley since Eden Prime and no indication at all that Shepard has thought of Ashley in any romantic sense - seems to heavily favour the choice of Liara as love interest.  I'll be very interested to see how this flows in the FemShep version of the comic.  (If all we get of Kaidan by contrast with "beautiul" Liara is that Kaidan's a "good kid" who "made the mistake of getting too close" to the beacon, then the bias in favour of Liara will be even worse.)

The art of Wrex on Virmire was truly atrocious.  (I think this was one of the few examples of bad art in the comic - probably the worst.)

Relays to Dark Space?  Plural?  I hope this was just an oversight.

I think the reordering of the events during the battle of the Citadel doesn't make much sense and leaving out the fact that Sovereign took over Saren - and only defeating Saren gave the window to destroy Sovereign - seems to be setting things up so we can more easily fight Reapers in ME3.  I hope not, though, because it did mention that Sovereign ("a single Reaper") was really hard to defeat.

...Are those humans in the background in the shot of the asari councilor on the Destiny Ascension?

No mention of the geth.  At all.

Poor characterisation of Udina.  Doesn't give any sense of how treacherous he was (except by not describing him as, like Anderson, "someone I could trust").

Unsure

I'm ambivalent about the description of the krogan on Virmire.  On the one hand, it's good that they mentioned the genophage and explained that Saren's krogan were indoctrinated slaves.  But describing them as "mindless beasts" might have been a bit far.  

Leaving out Feros completely.  On the one hand, they only had so much space and time to fit in the most important aspects of ME1.  I can certainly understand leaving out Therum (though it seems to be that mentioning that Liara, a prothean expert, was found at an archaeological dig site on that planet wouldn't have taken long, and would to my mind have been better flavour text than the chichéd observation about her attractiveness).  But, anyway, the story flowed fine when leaving out Therum.  Not mentioning Feros at all seems like a mistake to me given that it totally cuts out the cipher - the very thing that was needed to interpret the information Benezia gained from the rachni queen.  But, on the other hand, giving that a mention via Noveria kind of covers things.  I don't know about this one.  Again, cutting out Shiala entirely seems like a shame, but I wasn't a huge fan of her appearance in ME2 anyway (far too fanservicey for my tastes, especially with the unwanted flirting).

Modifié par Estelindis, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:29 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Indeed. I really enjoyed the narration. It was like he was reflecting on the events that had occured, and I think it added a great deal to the character he portrays. With this, I think Mark Meer was given more creative freedom in regards to how the lines were spoken.

In the games, he has to sort of be a blank slate so that the player can impose his own personality onto the character. As Kaiden once said, "it has to be a balancing act".

That said, I think people are taking it a bit too serious. It's just a summary of the events that took place in ME1. It's not meant to replace the game itself. **** me, that would be a huge undertaking, probably impossible to nail down every detail.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:44 .

[klossen4]

i am glad i have maas effect 1 but this is ok. But no mention of the geth really??

Modifié par klossen4, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:52 .

[didymos1120]

Something else I just noticed. Going only by the comic, try and answer these questions: WTF was Saren doing on Ilos? And, how did he suddenly get both himself and his army onto the Citadel?

Seriously: Ilos makes absolutely no sense in this comic.  It's just this totally random place where Shep suddenly understands the vision.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:03 .

[klossen4]

i feel bad for the ps3 players that never played me1 though

[Vaenier]

didymos1120 wrote...

Aigyl wrote...
Also am I mad for liking the art, except for Palpatine Wrex who will likely become the latest in memes?

Palpawrex meme?  Good idea:

Frak, that just made me cringe hard.

[klossen4]

Wrex:The blood rage will be with you young grunt always.

[CroGamer002]

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.

Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

[Remus Artega]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

That would actually take less of a time to explain...

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Shepard dies, is revived in five minutes, then stops the Collectors.

Easy sauce.

[Vaenier]

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Thats easy:
You die and are brought back to life for no reason by a terrorist organisation that hates you. Collectors are abducting humans. You hire 12 random people to form a team and dont bother to buy a single explosive device for your mission. All your old friends have misteriously become deaf and dumb. You attack the Collector base and destroy the terminator that was made by putting humans into a slushee machine. Either give it to Cerberus or blow up the only evidance you ever found in the 4 years of fighting the Reapers.

Did I mention you also go onto a Reaper at one point? No? Thats because it was just a generic mission and had nothing important to do with the plot outside a convient plot device located onboard.

The End.

[klossen4]

well will they really need to make a comic for me3? I mean me3 will come to pc,xbox,ps3 if me1 was on these 3 platforms there would not have been a me1 comic i think.

[CroGamer002]

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Thats easy:
You die and are brought back to life for no reason by a terrorist organisation that you hate. Collectors are abducting humans. You hire 12 random people to form a team and dont bother to buy a single explosive device for your mission. All your old friends have misteriously become deaf and dumb( oh yeah, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Liara and Anderson are totally dumb and deaf). You attack the Collector base and destroy the terminator Human Reaper that looks like human metal skeleton that was made by putting humans into a slushee machine. Either give it to Cerberus or blow up the only evidance you ever found in the 3 years of fighting the Reapers.

Did I mention you also go onto a Reaper at one point? No? Thats because it was just a generic mission and had nothing important to do with the plot outside a convient plot device located onboard.

The End.

Some fixes.

Also let's see what you forgot.

Cerberus thing, which romance, Legion sold or not, Legion loyalty, Tali loyalty, Mordin loyalty, Overlord, Samara or Morinth, Specter status...


I mean geez, talk about hypocrisy.

[Vaenier]

Mesina2 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Thats easy:
You die and are brought back to life for no reason by a terrorist organisation that you hate. Collectors are abducting humans. You hire 12 random people to form a team and dont bother to buy a single explosive device for your mission. All your old friends have misteriously become deaf and dumb( oh yeah, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Liara and Anderson are totally dumb and deaf). You attack the Collector base and destroy the terminator Human Reaper that looks like human metal skeleton that was made by putting humans into a slushee machine. Either give it to Cerberus or blow up the only evidance you ever found in the 3 years of fighting the Reapers.

Did I mention you also go onto a Reaper at one point? No? Thats because it was just a generic mission and had nothing important to do with the plot outside a convient plot device located onboard.

The End.

Some fixes. Also let's see what you forgot.

Cerberus thing, which romance, Legion sold or not, Legion loyalty, Tali loyalty, Mordin loyalty, Overlord, Samara or Morinth, Specter status...

I mean geez, talk about hypocrisy.

Hey, I was closer then the ME1 comic was.

I was only doing the important plot related stuff. Stupid stuff like radon team members loyalty had to take a back seat for the super important plot. Its not like choices have really meant anything up to this point anyway. Wrex, Liara, and Anderson all dont give you any help, so I dont understand what you are talking about.

And it wasnt 4 years? ME1 1 year + 2 years dead + ME2 1 year.

[CroGamer002]

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Thats easy:
You die and are brought back to life for no reason by a terrorist organisation that you hate. Collectors are abducting humans. You hire 12 random people to form a team and dont bother to buy a single explosive device for your mission. All your old friends have misteriously become deaf and dumb( oh yeah, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Liara and Anderson are totally dumb and deaf). You attack the Collector base and destroy the terminator Human Reaper that looks like human metal skeleton that was made by putting humans into a slushee machine. Either give it to Cerberus or blow up the only evidance you ever found in the 3 years of fighting the Reapers.

Did I mention you also go onto a Reaper at one point? No? Thats because it was just a generic mission and had nothing important to do with the plot outside a convient plot device located onboard.

The End.

Some fixes. Also let's see what you forgot.

Cerberus thing, which romance, Legion sold or not, Legion loyalty, Tali loyalty, Mordin loyalty, Overlord, Samara or Morinth, Specter status...

I mean geez, talk about hypocrisy.

Hey, I was closer then the ME1 comic was.

I was only doing the important plot related stuff. Stupid stuff like radon team members loyalty had to take a back seat for the super important plot. Its not like choices have really meant anything up to this point anyway. Wrex, Liara, and Anderson all dont give you any help, so I dont understand what you are talking about.

And it wasnt 4 years? ME1 1 year + 2 years dead + ME2 1 year.

Legion's, Tali's and Mordin's loyalty's are very, VERY important.
And it was 3 years, if not less.
Check ME Wiki Timeline, Eden Prime attack was in 2183, Shepard wakes from coma in 2185.

[klossen4]

nothing says me1 was a year long or me2.

[Babli]

Mesina2 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ME3 must not have comic like ME2.
Imagine them explaining ME2 in 15 minutes?

Thats easy:
You die and are brought back to life for no reason by a terrorist organisation that you hate. Collectors are abducting humans. You hire 12 random people to form a team and dont bother to buy a single explosive device for your mission. All your old friends have misteriously become deaf and dumb( oh yeah, Tali, Garrus, Wrex, Liara and Anderson are totally dumb and deaf). You attack the Collector base and destroy the terminator Human Reaper that looks like human metal skeleton that was made by putting humans into a slushee machine. Either give it to Cerberus or blow up the only evidance you ever found in the 3 years of fighting the Reapers.

Did I mention you also go onto a Reaper at one point? No? Thats because it was just a generic mission and had nothing important to do with the plot outside a convient plot device located onboard.

The End.

Some fixes. Also let's see what you forgot.

Cerberus thing, which romance, Legion sold or not, Legion loyalty, Tali loyalty, Mordin loyalty, Overlord, Samara or Morinth, Specter status...

I mean geez, talk about hypocrisy.

Hey, I was closer then the ME1 comic was.

I was only doing the important plot related stuff. Stupid stuff like radon team members loyalty had to take a back seat for the super important plot. Its not like choices have really meant anything up to this point anyway. Wrex, Liara, and Anderson all dont give you any help, so I dont understand what you are talking about.

And it wasnt 4 years? ME1 1 year + 2 years dead + ME2 1 year.

Legion's, Tali's and Mordin's loyalty's are very, VERY important.

They are not, since player dont need to do them to beat the game. Although I got your point, those decisions are important, I agree with that.

[bjdbwea]

All of the decisions should be important, because they are part of the game. But if by BioWare/EA's logic, all of the small and even some of the most important decisions from ME 1 can so easily be discarded, then by the same logic there's not a single decision in ME 2 that is important either.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[CroGamer002]

bjdbwea wrote...

All of the decisions should be important, because they are part of the game. But if by BioWare and EA's logic, all of the small and even some of the most important decisions from ME 1 can so easily be discarded, then by the same logic there's not a single decision in ME 2 that is important either.

From where did you get that?
ME1 were not discarded, just weren't be usefull in ME2.

ME1 is about discovering threat and some big choices.
ME2 is about gathering team to weaken threat and some big choices.
ME3 will most certainly be about gathering army( choices in ME1&2 will effect) and stopping threat.

Modifié par Mesina2, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:54 .