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[didymos1120]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
This analogy implies that you think the comic is fundamentally flawed. I don't think so; it just could have been done better is all.

No, I don't think it's fundamentally flawed, if by that you mean the concept.  I do think the actual execution is bad enough to warrant the comparison.  There's a lot of talk about how people are relying too much on ME1 knowledge in their criticism, but I think the "It's not so bad" folk are doing the same thing.  They know the story so they can sorta recognize it in the comic and fit it into that mental framework, but without that background knowledge, the thing just cannot hold up on its own (and that's ignoring all the contradictions with the real ME1).  If you really look at it from the POV of someone knowing little to nothing about Mass Effect, the comic just does not tell a coherent story or introduce them to the basics of ME, period, much less the story of ME1.  And, contrary to the claims that "It's just for making a few choices", that means it has failed in its primary (and multiply stated) purpose: bringing PS3ers up to speed. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:07 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I don't know, but I imagine it to be just fine for someone who never played ME1 and knows next to nothing about it.

[axl99]

What I don't understand is why the concept artists working on the ME games can't work on the comics?



Having everything in house would limit the amount of R&D back and forth that Mac Walters and Omar Francia would have endure with many variations of the ME production bible. Not only do the concept artists know their material front and back, they can also put out stronger artwork! And if that weren't enough, there are plenty of 3d assets and image renders from the game that could be used as raw material for a motion graphics-based interactive story.



Readers here have already pointed out visual inconsistencies with the model of the Normandy SR-1 and the way both Tali and Garrus held dual pistols in a gunfight. Omar's concept artwork looks more polished than the published material shown here, in addition to the inconsistencies with the characters it gives off the impression the comics were rushed. No one likes to read rushed comics on properties they love, there's no harm in taking time to make something look good.



It's all that's really about anyway. Most of the time many readers worry about whether a comic title is going to come out on time. The real question we should be asking? Was the comic preview worth the wait?

[Homey C-Dawg]

Hey cool I wanted to watch these. It's neat to hear Shepard telling the story of ME1. Kinda wish they put the Shiala decision in there but whatever. Soundtrack is nice, especially how it plays the music from the levels. I like that they left enough details out that someone who was enticed to buy ME1 because of the comic would get so much more ME1 than they expected.

Some rachni details are wrong but they got the point of the decision across. They left a lot out but as I said I sort of see that as a plus since it's suppose to be a "Last time on Mass Effect" kinda thing. Dark horse still can't draw turians or krogans (although Saren's close up was awesome).

[CroGamer002]

Is this me or Udina looks like George Bush in his last shot?

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

Is this me or Udina looks like George Bush in his last shot?

This one?



I don't know about Bush, but the boy definitely don't look right. Dig that goof-ass smile on Anderson too.

[CroGamer002]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Is this me or Udina looks like George Bush in his last shot?

This one?



I don't know about Bush, but the boy definitely don't look right. Dig that goof-ass smile on Anderson too.

It's like Bioware is saying to us: Choose Udina, Anderson happy and  Retribution too.

[Bourne Endeavor]

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

A Virmire Survivor DLC would make up for it somewhat. But only if it's well written. In other words, don't let the guy who wrote this terrible comic anywhere near it.

Apparently, Mac Walters was apart of the writing team. Yes, the same guy who wrote ME2's plot and will be writing ME3's. In other wards, don't hold your breath. Coincidently, if I recall, LotSB was not written by Walters. Probably why it was better.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:29 .

[CroGamer002]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

A Virmire Survivor DLC would make up for it somewhat. But only if it's well written. In other words, don't let the guy who wrote this terrible comic anywhere near it.

Apparently, Mac Walters was apart of the writing team. Yes, the same guy who wrote ME2's plot and will be writing ME3's. In other wards, don't hold your breath. Coincidently, if I recall, LotSB was not written by Walters. Probably why it was better.

Isn't he just a lead writer?
You know, guy who doesn't write almost anything?

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I think they did a pretty good job. The first Anderson drawing was pretty bad, though. Otherwise, really nice.

[Valikdu]

Mac Walters. Suffers from demonic possession. Probably by Brannon Braga. Serious issue. Needs treatment.

[Babyblue]

LiamN7 wrote...

So question for bioware.
Do you go out of your way to ****** off Ash and Kaidan fans or has it just become second nature after doing it for so long ?

I agree with this statement. But I dont think Bioware will pay any  attention to it..

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Jacen987 wrote...

Now that i actually get a second look at it,its not to bad.I guess thats partly thanks to Hales voice.I mean Meer acting was never troubled me,but here it really sucked.This and it was the first side by side comparison of the two for me,and she definitely outguns him on every level, making even some of the ****ty dialog seem good.

I have to disagree. I think she makes everything sound overly dramatic.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I would enjoy digital versions of the other comics they made just for the sake of coolness.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Mesina2 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

AuggyDoggysan wrote...

A Virmire Survivor DLC would make up for it somewhat. But only if it's well written. In other words, don't let the guy who wrote this terrible comic anywhere near it.

Apparently, Mac Walters was apart of the writing team. Yes, the same guy who wrote ME2's plot and will be writing ME3's. In other wards, don't hold your breath. Coincidently, if I recall, LotSB was not written by Walters. Probably why it was better.

Isn't he just a lead writer?
You know, guy who doesn't write almost anything?

On this comic, we can only hope. For ME3, he will definitely be heavily involved. Regardless, the fact this comic was ever greenlighted leads quire just what they were thinking.

[didymos1120]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

On this comic, we can only hope. For ME3, he will definitely be heavily involved. Regardless, the fact this comic was ever greenlighted leads quire just what they were thinking.

The right person to ask about that would be Casey Hudson, not Mac Walters.  He may have written this...un-ME1 thing, but dude's still got a boss.

[Victor Ferreira]

Hey, if it's any consolation, maybe Walters didn't write the script. Maybe John Jackson Miller (who doesn't really have an involvement with the series past the comics) did. It's been like that with most of the comics.

Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part. (Dude, you wrote Wrex. You know he is "smarter than he looks")

But yeah, the video prior to the demo condensed the story a lot better than the comic. Too bad they didn't just use the footage from the first game for the whole "getting up to speed" thing. But I guess Bioware has to keep milking that DH partnership somehow.

[JamieCOTC]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Jacen987 wrote...

Now that i actually get a second look at it,its not to bad.I guess thats partly thanks to Hales voice.I mean Meer acting was never troubled me,but here it really sucked.This and it was the first side by side comparison of the two for me,and she definitely outguns him on every level, making even some of the ****ty dialog seem good.

I have to disagree. I think she makes everything sound overly dramatic.

I have to disagree slightly.  I thought Meer was pretty good and his inflections were dead on.  I could listen to Hale read the phone book, but neither could overcome the bad writing, however. 

[Nerevar-as]

Victor Ferreira wrote...

Hey, if it's any consolation, maybe Walters didn't write the script. Maybe John Jackson Miller (who doesn't really have an involvement with the series past the comics) did. It's been like that with most of the comics.

Considering JJM work in the Kotor comics, I doubt he would make it so bad on his own. This failed completely to capture the feel of most situations from the game, or getting it wrong (do they want everybody to kill the Rachni Queen? Kill Wrex?). Funny that femShep is lesbian/bi in PS3 canon.

I really don´t like Omar´s art for ME. The game visuals try to feel like a movie, but his art seems more appropiate for an animated show. I´d rather they had asked the cover artist of Redemption.

[Bad King]

Up until Noveria, the comic was pretty decent. From Noveria onwards it just went downhill. Also they make Saren seem like a total douche, however in the game there was an ending where he sacrificed himself to help Shepard stop the reapers.

Also, they missed out on some important plot events, notably Feros and the escape from the Citadel.

Modifié par Bad King, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:08 .

[didymos1120]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Funny that femShep is lesbian/bi in PS3 canon.

 PS3 FemShep has exactly the same choices PC/360 FemShep has: Kaidan and Liara.  There is no "PS3 canon".  There  is no single "canon" Shep, of either sex, on any platform.

[didymos1120]

Bad King wrote...
 Also they make Saren seem like a total douche, however in the game there was an ending where he sacrificed himself to help Shepard stop the reapers.

Well, he really was.  Read Revelation.  While them leaving out that ending option is regrettable (but an understandable choice, unlike so many other cuts), it hardly defames Saren's character.

[JamieCOTC]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Victor Ferreira wrote...

Hey, if it's any consolation, maybe Walters didn't write the script. Maybe John Jackson Miller (who doesn't really have an involvement with the series past the comics) did. It's been like that with most of the comics.

Considering JJM work in the Kotor comics, I doubt he would make it so bad on his own. This failed completely to capture the feel of most situations from the game, or getting it wrong (do they want everybody to kill the Rachni Queen? Kill Wrex?). Funny that femShep is lesbian/bi in PS3 canon.

I really don´t like Omar´s art for ME. The game visuals try to feel like a movie, but his art seems more appropiate for an animated show. I´d rather they had asked the cover artist of Redemption.

One thing you have to understand about comic art is that companies like Dark Horse, Marvel, DC, etc will hire artists who are "acceptable and on time" over "masters of the craft and late" every time.  Also, the cover artist, Daryl Mandryk, primarily does cover art and concept art. The art is also a bit more in league w/ the "feel" of ME2, more rock and roll and Michael Bay.