Basically this. Until we see more of Ash and Kaidan, this will remain my belief.TeenZombie wrote...
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They honestly do not believe Kaidan and Ashley *have* fans. That is the only explanation I can see for all of this. They think that nobody cares about those old and busted characters, when they have the new hotness waiting for them in ME2, and Liara is included in that category as of LotSB.
Assasin4Hire wrote...
(Pre-mass effect 2)
ME2 Writer: Wow they really didn't like Ashley and Kaiden compared to the rest of the crew. We should probaly make Liara's and Wrex's parts bigger since they have a larger fanbase
(Post ME2 pre-Genisis)
Genisis Writer: The fans seemed more inclined to Liara, plus Ashley and Kaiden only appear once in the ME2 and no one really cared.....just make Liara a the main LI in the comic since she's in the game more
(Post Genisis)
ME3 Writer: Okay........now Ashley and Kadian are the most popular characters and no one likes Liara anymore..........So let's make Liaras part small and Kaiden/Ashleys parts enourmous that'll make them happy
(Post ME3)
Writer: WTF? They hate how small Liara's part was and they remembered how much they hate Ash and Kaiden? F*ck it, the series is over. I'm not dealing with this anymore.
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Basically this. Until we see more of Ash and Kaidan, this will remain my belief.TeenZombie wrote...
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They honestly do not believe Kaidan and Ashley *have* fans. That is the only explanation I can see for all of this. They think that nobody cares about those old and busted characters, when they have the new hotness waiting for them in ME2, and Liara is included in that category as of LotSB.
Seriously, BioWare, it's not cool to play favorites as a developer.
Fiery Phoenix wrote...
Basically this. Until we see more of Ash and Kaidan, this will remain my belief.TeenZombie wrote...
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They honestly do not believe Kaidan and Ashley *have* fans. That is the only explanation I can see for all of this. They think that nobody cares about those old and busted characters, when they have the new hotness waiting for them in ME2, and Liara is included in that category as of LotSB.
Seriously, BioWare, it's not cool to play favorites as a developer.
They, they said the VS would play a big role in ME3, and it's been my hope ever since.
This....... so much this.LiamN7 wrote...
So question for bioware.
Do you go out of your way to ****** off Ash and Kaidan fans or has it just become second nature after doing it for so long ?
Guest_LiamN7_*
Doubt bioware will ever notice or ever answer the question. Still gonna keep on asking.Selenora wrote...
This....... so much this.LiamN7 wrote...
So question for bioware.
Do you go out of your way to ****** off Ash and Kaidan fans or has it just become second nature after doing it for so long ?
didymos1120 wrote...
A lot of this stuff has been listed before, but I've decided to just consolidate all the problems I and others have seen. I've tried emphasize why it's so bad for someone who knows nothing about ME1, and I've mostly avoided the art, except where it violates continuity. Keep in mind how a lot of this will seem after someone gets into the game and starts getting exposition on a lot of this stuff:
Normandy's just some ship.
Shep's just some guy. Not a Spectre candidate.
Nothing about humanity's current place, or the basics of the setting.
Nihlus? Gone.
Joker? Gone.
Geth? What are those?
Only an Alliance patrol was attacked. Not Eden Prime as a whole. It also gives the impression that Sovereign did it, not the geth. No video transmission, and the patrol "couldn't explain" what they'd seen. Then they change that during the beacon scene: now the colony was attacked.
Kaidan? He's a "good kid". He also uses an assault rifle throughout the comic. Later on Virmire: "Save Kaiden."
Biotics. What are they? Good question. We won't be answering it at this time.
There's a dead krogan next to the beacon.
The Citadel and Council are just dropped in with no explanation as to what either is. Spectres aren't explained either. Shep just becomes one for some reason.
There was some unspecified, additional evidence connecting Saren to Sovereign.
Udina's just a guy. His personality is elided pretty much entirely, with just a little bit mentioned at the very end.
Garrus is "a top agent for Citadel Security." Uh, huh?
Tali's a fugitive. From what? Why? Who knows.
Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.
Why is Wrex even involved? He just had some unspecified "intel". Why'd he have it? What was it? More good questions.
Wrex's armor starts out short-sleeved, then reverts to normal on Virmire. (yeah, nitpick, but that's just sloppy)
Reapers allegedly kill everything every 50,000 years. It almost sounds like this is a commonly known thing. Oh and that fact alone is supposed to "explain" why Saren's trying to bring about their return. Until the comic gets to Virmire and suddenly it doesn't explain it, and Shep wonders why Saren's doing all this. Which by the way is never explained. Sovereign just indocrinated him at some point apparently.
BTW, what's indoctrination exactly?
Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?
Therum? No mention. Liara is just found somewhere and comes along.
If you didn't know about asari, you could easily think just Liara and her mother had the melding ability, like some sort of mutant superpower.
Noveria's just a name. It comes across like rachni lived there, and Saren conquered them.
Absolutely nothing is said about where on Noveria you fought the rachni.
It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.
Benezia is just there to extract "information" from the Queen. What it is and why Saren wants it? Not explained.
Benezia's just a name. You see her corpse in one panel, no face.
It's made out like the Rachni Queen was controlling all the workers and warriors.
It's simply said she's "angry and dangerous" and that the "rachni had terrorized the galaxy" before.
Free her and "She left, and took her army of drones with her."
There's no explanation as to why killing the queen would doom the entire species to extinction.
Mu-relay? What's that?
Feros. Cipher. Thorian. All gone.
Shep just finds Virmire somehow.
STG? Kirrahe? Gone. There's a salarian in one panel though.
Indoctrination? Shep figures out what it really is just by talking to Saren on Virmire.
Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".
Genophage? Explained very poorly, but at least it's accurate about what it does explain.
"Wrex disagreed...violently." Uh, he did? If you didn't know better, you'd think he attacked Shep.
"Fortunately, Wrex is smarter than he looks." C'mon, that's just insulting.
No second beacon.
"I split up my team in two squads, sending Ash with one, Kaidan with the other as a distraction. We had a nuke, and we planned to use it." Who the f*ck was in these squads? Why is only one person killed?
Ilos? Just some old planet.
Conduit? Yeah....no.
Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.
The Cycle? Shep figures that part out on Ilos.
Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.
Citadel? Apparently, not a relay to dark space. There's more than one of those now.
The Citadel controls the mass relays. What's a mass relay? Good question.
Dual-pistol-wielding Tali and Garrus.
Husks have red blood. Not that you'd know what they are as they just appear out of nowhere on the Citadel.
Geth ships don't look right at all. You also have no idea what they are.
Saren "died believing the Reapers would save him."
RoboSaren? Final boss not appearing in this comic.
The impression is given that the Destiny Ascension only comes under attack after Saren's dead. The Asari Councilor personally asks for help.
The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.
Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.
Try and figure out what the Normandy was actually doing in that battle just going by the art alone.
Udina's office is apparently in a skyscraper. And has glass windows.
"Earned us our first seat on the Council." It's not really wrong....if you have prior knowledge of how the Council works and know there will be successors. Otherwise, you'd think humans could eventually have multiple Councilors at once.
Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.
Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for "answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.
HBC Dresden wrote...
^ Lets not go crazy here. ME: Genesis was a quick fix for a big problem (PS3 import options). If there are many little mistakes, it's because of rushing; I'm surprised they managed to pull the comic off in time.
It's not like the writers are going to re-write ME3 to accommodate the mistakes in the comic. The comic was a quick hash over everything. You can argue it was done poorly, but I blame Shep's bad summarizing skills. Shep should take some English classes.
Freakaz0idx wrote...
In my opinion the comic is just fine. A lot of you on these forums are partially at fault for your own disappointment, due to the extreme overanalyzation of every aspect of this series. Every last inch of Mass Effect 1 and 2 have been nitpicked and bickered about on these forums to the point where it's almost impossible for anything to live up to your expectations.
Knottedredloc wrote...
Also, if it is so easy for fans to see the problems wouldn't logic dictate that the creators would aware of them as well.
Modifié par wulf3n, 20 janvier 2011 - 10:16 .
So long? there have been 3 ME things out since ME1 I don't see how that qualifies as a long timeLiamN7 wrote...
So question for bioware.
Do you go out of your way to ****** off Ash and Kaidan fans or has it just become second nature after doing it for so long ?
Guest_LiamN7_*
Assasin4Hire wrote...
So long? there have been 3 ME things out since ME1 I don't see how that qualifies as a long timeLiamN7 wrote...
So question for bioware.
Do you go out of your way to ****** off Ash and Kaidan fans or has it just become second nature after doing it for so long ?
In Mass Effect 2 Ash/Kaid have a pretty powerful role, short as it may be, showing that one of your closest friends have given up on you after all you've been through. Until LotSB Liara was just a person at a desk who made you hack some terminals.
LotSB Was Liaras adventure for reasons that she was availibel in-game
The reason why we haven't seen any VS DLC might be because Ash/Kaid's voice actors aren't available
Genisis is a special case, ME1 fans will hate that Liara's the main focus of it. But since this was made for the PS3 writers chose that Liara would be the best choice for gamers since she's in the game more. Had there been DLC for Ash/Kaid by this point I think the comic would've potrayed them equal.
fixed that for youHBC Dresden wrote...
^ Lets not go crazy here. ME: Genesis was a quick fix for a big problem (PS3 import options). If there are many little mistakes, it's because of rushing; I'm surprised they managed to pull the comic off in time.
It's not likely the writers are going to re-write ME3 to accommodate the mistakes in the comic. The comic was a quick hash over the major carry over decisions . You can argue it was done poorly, but I blame Shep's bad summarizing skills. Shep should take some English classes.
Why would they need to explain biotics? Biotics are explained again in ME2, thanks to codex and context and what not.Dudeman315 wrote...
fixed that for youHBC Dresden wrote...
^ Lets not go crazy here. ME: Genesis was a quick fix for a big problem (PS3 import options). If there are many little mistakes, it's because of rushing; I'm surprised they managed to pull the comic off in time.
It's not likely the writers are going to re-write ME3 to accommodate the mistakes in the comic. The comic was a quick hash over the major carry over decisions . You can argue it was done poorly, but I blame Shep's bad summarizing skills. Shep should take some English classes.
Big problems that I had that have not been mentioned yet:
--no explanation of what biotics are. The line "with a talent for biotics" is meaningless in context.
Why save him?--Why would someone choose the "Kill Wrex" option other that to see
what happens? This wasn't a choice in ME1 but based on if you had
enough Paragon/Renagade points or did his armor mission.
Assasin4Hire wrote...
So long? there have been 3 ME things out since ME1 I don't see how that qualifies as a long time
In Mass Effect 2 Ash/Kaid have a pretty powerful role, short as it may be, showing that one of your closest friends have given up on you after all you've been through. Until LotSB Liara was just a person at a desk who made you hack some terminals.
LotSB Was Liaras adventure for reasons that she was availibel in-game
The reason why we haven't seen any VS DLC might be because Ash/Kaid's voice actors aren't available
Genisis is a special case, ME1 fans will hate that Liara's the main focus of it. But since this was made for the PS3 writers chose that Liara would be the best choice for gamers since she's in the game more. Had there been DLC for Ash/Kaid by this point I think the comic would've potrayed them equal.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Why would they need to explain biotics? Biotics are explained again in ME2, thanks to codex and context and what not.
Pretty much anything that would be re-explained in, or wouldn't be relevant to, ME2 didn't need to be included in the comic.
--Why would someone choose the "Kill Wrex" option other that to see
what happens? This wasn't a choice in ME1 but based on if you had
enough Paragon/Renagade points or did his armor mission.
Everyone that has not played a ME game, that I showed the vid to has asked what a biotics are--Why save him?
Role playing, of course.
Modifié par Dudeman315, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .
Modifié par pprrff, 21 janvier 2011 - 06:43 .
pprrff wrote...
Switching the focus to different set of characters \\\\\\\\= shafting other characters. Ash and Kaidan had their limelight in ME1, and I firmly believe they will be important (if not the most important) characters in ME3. If you only look at ME2, than than yes the spot light isn't on the VS, but taken the trilogy as a whole, than you will see that they are not just going to sit on the sideline. Garrus and Tali might be popular character now, but I remember back in ME1, one of them is complete optional and the other has barely any interaction. Giving them the spot light in ME2 is simply giving the exposure the didn't receive in ME1.
As for Liara, the whole Shadow broker story is there to stop her from being irrelevant. She is archeologist for crying loud, and half the reason for recruiting her in ME1 was because of her mother. Once the her mother dies and the prothean thread is closed, she needs new role to stay in the game, and hence the comic and the Lair DLC. I wouldn't call it playing favorite, I'd say the Liara needs the exposure to set her up properly of ME3, otherwise we have to swallow some contrived reason for her to appear in the finally.
Modifié par Aigyl, 21 janvier 2011 - 10:57 .
The obvious solution to that is to play a ME game.Dudeman315 wrote...
Everyone that has not played a ME game, that I showed the vid to has asked what a biotics are--
The comic is fundamentally no different than the ME games themselves: there is a pre-set general story, and you can make choices only within the boundary of what the game allows. Mass Effect is simply a large 'choose your own adventure' book, and yes, I would certainly call choosing your own adventure as role playing.Do you honestly call a choose your own adventure book(i.e. the comic) role playing?
Modifié par Estelindis, 21 janvier 2011 - 11:04 .
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