Aller au contenu

Photo

PS3 Comic Preview


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
833 réponses à ce sujet

#101
Nhani

Nhani
  • Members
  • 263 messages

AmyBA wrote...
They also hated the VO, lol.

Hah! Well, Meer vs Hale was always a very polarizing topic. Admittedly, that kind of voice over narration doesn't exactly play to Meer's strengths.

Still, I maintain that I found most omissions didn't seem that glaring when I thought about them. Sure, it's nice to know, but it's not exactly essential knowledge, and if it is, then it usually gets recapped (Mass Effect 2 does have quite a few optional recap moments) in the context where you need to know it.

Sure, knowing about Cerberus might be handy for example, but if I recall.. by the time you reach SR-2, you've already had plenty of time to pick the brains of Jacob, Tali and Miranda regarding who and what Cerberus is and why you probably shouldn't like them very much.

Edit: Though, to repeat myself, I did find the omission of the Geth quite glaring, since not only were they a huge part of Mass Effect 1, their arc is carried over into Mass Effect 2 and is a key element to nearly anything Tali- or Legion shaped.

Modifié par Nhani, 16 janvier 2011 - 08:33 .


#102
Bigdoser

Bigdoser
  • Members
  • 2 575 messages
Wait we don't get to choose who we romance and liara is the auto choice?

#103
Nhani

Nhani
  • Members
  • 263 messages

Bigdoser wrote...
Wait we don't get to choose who we romance and liara is the auto choice?

There was a wheel menu with a choice - the video doesn't linger on it, but it's there. That said, the way it's set up, it seems somewhat biased in Liara's direction, pre-decision. Obviously, we don't know how the choice goes the other way around.

#104
Liec

Liec
  • Members
  • 1 170 messages
 I love how Garrus fights like he's in the Matrix :wizard:

#105
Praetor Knight

Praetor Knight
  • Members
  • 5 772 messages

Bigdoser wrote...

Wait we don't get to choose who we romance and liara is the auto choice?


The choice wheel shows up at the bottom, so you can choose the VS or the Mission Comes First option also.

#106
Zulu_DFA

Zulu_DFA
  • Members
  • 8 217 messages

didymos1120 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


If you skip the credits the autosave isn't overwritten? This is some kind of BS. IDK about the Box, but on PC the import file is different from all other saves files, and nothing can "follow into" it as the file is first created the moment Shepard steps out of rubble.


Of course things can follow into it, because the devs could make the game save to it whenever they wanted to.  Like, after the credits.  It's the players who have no control over when that happens.


Things, of course, can, but they don't. I've just checked: listening to full "M4 Part II" does not result in overwriting of the import file created before the Councilllor choice, neither does it create any new files.

#107
didymos1120

didymos1120
  • Members
  • 14 580 messages

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Things, of course, can, but they don't. I've just checked: listening to full "M4 Part II" does not result in overwriting of the import file created before the Councilllor choice, neither does it create any new files.


Yeah.  I tested it too.  It'll skip that bit if you use the save editor to set the flag, though.

#108
GodWood

GodWood
  • Members
  • 7 954 messages

Nightwriter wrote...
Wow. All PS3 players are going to think Liara was the canon romance of ME1 and Shepard had the hots for her.

I couldn't help but notice how creepy and lecherous he sounded when he was describing Liara.
And that was before the romance dialogue.

#109
Guest_Brodyaha_*

Guest_Brodyaha_*
  • Guests
As beautiful as she is intelligent, apparently. Not to mention liking the melding thing? That was a tad odd sounding. And then the romance dialogue after all that? AND having Liara in the opening of ME2... Who will players choose, I wonder.

#110
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 943 messages
Ever since Redemption, it has always struck me as if Liara is implicitly the "default" romance, but that's just my own perception. Ash remains my canon romance. <3

#111
Guest_Snuggels99_*

Guest_Snuggels99_*
  • Guests
I'm sick of it, this is another slap in the face for us VS Fans :sick:

#112
XFemShepX

XFemShepX
  • Members
  • 251 messages
Just a quick note:

I feel really sorry for the PS3 players, that this is how they will be introduced to the Mass Effect world. Mass Effect is a great game with an amazing story--that is perhaps too deep to tell in a 15 minute comic intro--but somehow, I'd like to think they could've done a better job. I mean, if you're going to have to pick choices on things like "Save/Kill Rachni Queen", you should at LEAST get a *little* background, or even a perspective of what was going on at the scene before having to make that kind of decision. There are really great cinematic things that PS3 players will miss (small examples, like Rachni Queen animating dead Asari commando to communicate), and it just doesn't seem fair. I would've rather they told the story with cinematic cuts from the game than a comic.

I dunno. I'm not saying I could've done any better, just that it seems a travesty to trivialize such a grand story into....this. It makes me wonder if all our decisions in ME don't really matter beyond those six bulleted decision points.

And finally, my one big gripe--They make Udina seem like a smooth politician and a good choice, instead of an obstructionist JERK who stabs you in the back! I HATE that guy!

EDIT:  Kaidan fangirls, I feel your pain.  Maybe with the FemShep telling they say some sweet things about him, instead of portraying him as a wet behind the ears biotic grunt.  It really kind of irked me.  :pinched:

Modifié par XFemShepX, 16 janvier 2011 - 09:33 .


#113
Guest_Brodyaha_*

Guest_Brodyaha_*
  • Guests

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Ever since Redemption, it has always struck me as if Liara is implicitly the "default" romance, but that's just my own perception. Ash remains my canon romance. <3


I agree. Liara has Redemption, LotSB, the opening of ME2, and now the comic. If BioWare likes her, fair enough, but Kaid and Ash were there from the start at Eden Prime. Shepard saves one of them from the beacon and all three are Alliance.

#114
didymos1120

didymos1120
  • Members
  • 14 580 messages
A lot of this stuff has been listed before, but I've decided to just consolidate all the problems I and others have seen.  I've tried emphasize why it's so bad for someone who knows nothing about ME1, and I've mostly avoided the art, except where it violates continuity. Keep in mind how a lot of this will seem after someone gets into the game and starts getting exposition on a lot of this stuff:

Normandy's just some ship.

Shep's just some guy. Not a Spectre candidate.

Nothing about humanity's current place, or the basics of the setting.

Nihlus? Gone.

Joker? Gone.

Geth? What are those?

Only an Alliance patrol was attacked. Not Eden Prime as a whole. It also gives the impression that Sovereign did it, not the geth. No video transmission, and the patrol "couldn't explain" what they'd seen. Then they change that during the beacon scene: now the colony was attacked.

Kaidan? He's a "good kid". He also uses an assault rifle throughout the comic. Later on Virmire: "Save Kaiden."

Biotics. What are they? Good question. We won't be answering it at this time.

There's a dead krogan next to the beacon.

The Citadel and Council are just dropped in with no explanation as to what either is. Spectres aren't explained either. Shep just becomes one for some reason.

There was some unspecified, additional evidence connecting Saren to Sovereign.

Udina's just a guy. His personality is elided pretty much entirely, with just a little bit mentioned at the very end.

Garrus is "a top agent for Citadel Security." Uh, huh?

Tali's a fugitive. From what? Why? Who knows.

Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.

Why is Wrex even involved? He just had some unspecified "intel". Why'd he have it? What was it? More good questions.

Wrex's armor starts out short-sleeved, then reverts to normal on Virmire. (yeah, nitpick, but that's just sloppy)

Reapers allegedly kill everything every 50,000 years. It almost sounds like this is a commonly known thing. Oh and that fact alone is supposed to "explain" why Saren's trying to bring about their return. Until the comic gets to Virmire and suddenly it doesn't explain it, and Shep wonders why Saren's doing all this. Which by the way is never explained. Sovereign just indocrinated him at some point apparently.

BTW, what's indoctrination exactly?

Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?

Therum? No mention. Liara is just found somewhere and comes along.

If you didn't know about asari, you could easily think just Liara and her mother had the melding ability, like some sort of mutant superpower.

Noveria's just a name. It comes across like rachni lived there, and Saren conquered them.

Absolutely nothing is said about where on Noveria you fought the rachni.

It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.

Benezia is just there to extract "information" from the Queen. What it is and why Saren wants it? Not explained.

Benezia's just a name. You see her corpse in one panel, no face.

It's made out like the Rachni Queen was controlling all the workers and warriors.

It's simply said she's "angry and dangerous" and that the "rachni had terrorized the galaxy" before.

Free her and "She left, and took her army of drones with her."

There's no explanation as to why killing the queen would doom the entire species to extinction.

Mu-relay? What's that?

Feros. Cipher. Thorian. All gone.

Shep just finds Virmire somehow.

STG? Kirrahe? Gone. There's a salarian in one panel though.

Indoctrination? Shep figures out what it really is just by talking to Saren on Virmire.

Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".

Genophage? Explained very poorly, but at least it's accurate about what it does explain.

"Wrex disagreed...violently." Uh, he did? If you didn't know better, you'd think he attacked Shep.

"Fortunately, Wrex is smarter than he looks." C'mon, that's just insulting.

No second beacon.

"I split up my team in two squads, sending Ash with one, Kaidan with the other as a distraction. We had a nuke, and we planned to use it." Who the f*ck was in these squads? Why is only one person killed?

Ilos? Just some old planet.

Conduit? Yeah....no.

Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.

The Cycle? Shep figures that part out on Ilos.

Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.

Citadel? Apparently, not a relay to dark space. There's more than one of those now.

The Citadel controls the mass relays. What's a mass relay? Good question.

Dual-pistol-wielding Tali and Garrus.

Husks have red blood. Not that you'd know what they are as they just appear out of nowhere on the Citadel.

Geth ships don't look right at all. You also have no idea what they are.

Saren "died believing the Reapers would save him."

RoboSaren? Final boss not appearing in this comic.

The impression is given that the Destiny Ascension only comes under attack after Saren's dead. The Asari Councilor personally asks for help.

The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.

Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.

Try and figure out what the Normandy was actually doing in that battle just going by the art alone.

Udina's office is apparently in a skyscraper. And has glass windows.

"Earned us our first seat on the Council." It's not really wrong....if you have prior knowledge of how the Council works and know there will be successors. Otherwise, you'd think humans could eventually have multiple Councilors at once.

Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.

Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for "answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .


#115
Fiery Phoenix

Fiery Phoenix
  • Members
  • 18 943 messages
Wow, quite the list, Didy. The comic is quite literally just an abstract.

#116
Guest_Brodyaha_*

Guest_Brodyaha_*
  • Guests
It makes it sound as if shepards squad was split into 2 teams yet ash or laid go wig the salaries. But that isn't clear. If the team is split, and one team needs to be left behind wouldn't half the team be dead, technically?

#117
XFemShepX

XFemShepX
  • Members
  • 251 messages
Let's just put it out there. Bioware wants to make money, and bringing ME2 to the PS3 does that. The more I think about it (and read over Didy's points), the more disappointed I am. This is just sloppy, and is really a discredit to all the amazing storytelling and work that all the writers and designers put into Mass Effect 1. I mean, if they wanted ME to be multi-platform, they should've done it from the start. Why let the story get all messy for PS3 players? It does nothing except denigrate their own work.



Tell me how it wouldn't be confusing. No mention of the geth at all? What's the significance of Legion, then? Who cares, as long as we can pew-pew people/places/things? Are we going to engulf these new wave of PS3 players who have no personal experiences playing ME1, and transition the storytelling in ME3 with that in mind?



Mm. Best to just stop myself now. /rant

#118
didymos1120

didymos1120
  • Members
  • 14 580 messages

Brodyaha wrote...

It makes it sound as if shepards squad was split into 2 teams yet ash or laid go wig the salaries. But that isn't clear. If the team is split, and one team needs to be left behind wouldn't half the team be dead, technically?


Yeah, exactly. And that's a general problem: if you just take it on it's own, and leave your ME1 knowledge out of it, it really makes no damn sense at all.  Nothing is ever really explained, and it contradicts itself multiple times.  And it will also contradict a lot of what a new player will learn when they get into the game or look things up on the wiki or Youtube. 


ETA: I'm not looking forward to all the posts that will take all that misinformation at face value either.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:19 .


#119
CroGamer002

CroGamer002
  • Members
  • 20 672 messages
Why is it in 2 parts?

Youtube has 15 minutes limit but this guy is Youtube Partner so he has unlimited time.

#120
subby19

subby19
  • Members
  • 106 messages
I know everyone has said the same thing, but the fact that almost nothing in the comic goes down the same way as it did in the game really bums me out. Whether bioware forgot what the hell happened, decided to retcon it, or just didn't care enough to put the correct info in, it doesn't bode well for the series final chapter. If they can't keep the story straight for a 15 min comic how the hell are they gonna do it for an entire game?

I honestly think that PS3 gamers should borrow a friends xbox or comp and play ME1 and ME2 or just don't do it at all because this is not an acceptable substitute for ME1.

#121
Guest_Brodyaha_*

Guest_Brodyaha_*
  • Guests
I apologize for my spelling. meant to say Kaid and with, not laid and wig.

And what really bums me is that this is the definitive version of ME2. With the comic. or at least Bioware considers it to be.

Modifié par Brodyaha, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:25 .


#122
didymos1120

didymos1120
  • Members
  • 14 580 messages

Mesina2 wrote...

Why is it in 2 parts?
Youtube has 15 minutes limit but this guy is Youtube Partner so he has unlimited time.


Probably doesn't know that.  He's only posted those two videos on his account.

#123
CroGamer002

CroGamer002
  • Members
  • 20 672 messages

Alistair4Ever wrote...

yes. which is weird because u can remake that decision on the cerberus vessel


If you check ME1 plot flag Udina or Anderson with Gibbed Save Editor, in next ME2 playthrough with that character that dialogue is just skipped.

#124
CroGamer002

CroGamer002
  • Members
  • 20 672 messages

subby19 wrote...

I know everyone has said the same thing, but the fact that almost nothing in the comic goes down the same way as it did in the game really bums me out. Whether bioware forgot what the hell happened, decided to retcon it, or just didn't care enough to put the correct info in, it doesn't bode well for the series final chapter. If they can't keep the story straight for a 15 min comic how the hell are they gonna do it for an entire game?
I honestly think that PS3 gamers should borrow a friends xbox or comp and play ME1 and ME2 or just don't do it at all because this is not an acceptable substitute for ME1.



What are you talking about, I'm pretty sure that stuff happen in ME1.

#125
Kronner

Kronner
  • Members
  • 6 249 messages

didymos1120 wrote...

A lot of this stuff has been listed before, but I've decided to just consolidate all the problems I and others have seen.  I've tried emphasize why it's so bad for someone who knows nothing about ME1, and I've mostly avoided the art, except where it violates continuity. Keep in mind how a lot of this will seem after someone gets into the game and starts getting exposition on a lot of this stuff:

Normandy's just some ship.

Shep's just some guy. Not a Spectre candidate.

Nothing about humanity's current place, or the basics of the setting.

Nihlus? Gone.

Joker? Gone.

Geth? What are those?

Only an Alliance patrol was attacked. Not Eden Prime as a whole. It also gives the impression that Sovereign did it, not the geth. No video transmission, and the patrol "couldn't explain" what they'd seen. Then they change that during the beacon scene: now the colony was attacked.

Kaidan? He's a "good kid". He also uses an assault rifle throughout the comic. Later on Virmire: "Save Kaiden."

Biotics. What are they? Good question. We won't be answering it at this time.

There's a dead krogan next to the beacon.

The Citadel and Council are just dropped in with no explanation as to what either is. Spectres aren't explained either. Shep just becomes one for some reason.

There was some unspecified, additional evidence connecting Saren to Sovereign.

Udina's just a guy. His personality is elided pretty much entirely, with just a little bit mentioned at the very end.

Garrus is "a top agent for Citadel Security." Uh, huh?

Tali's a fugitive. From what? Why? Who knows.

Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.

Why is Wrex even involved? He just had some unspecified "intel". Why'd he have it? What was it? More good questions.

Wrex's armor starts out short-sleeved, then reverts to normal on Virmire. (yeah, nitpick, but that's just sloppy)

Reapers allegedly kill everything every 50,000 years. It almost sounds like this is a commonly known thing. Oh and that fact alone is supposed to "explain" why Saren's trying to bring about their return. Until the comic gets to Virmire and suddenly it doesn't explain it, and Shep wonders why Saren's doing all this. Which by the way is never explained. Sovereign just indocrinated him at some point apparently.

BTW, what's indoctrination exactly?

Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?

Therum? No mention. Liara is just found somewhere and comes along.

If you didn't know about asari, you could easily think just Liara and her mother had the melding ability, like some sort of mutant superpower.

Noveria's just a name. It comes across like rachni lived there, and Saren conquered them.

Absolutely nothing is said about where on Noveria you fought the rachni.

It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.

Benezia is just there to extract "information" from the Queen. What it is and why Saren wants it? Not explained.

Benezia's just a name. You see her corpse in one panel, no face.

It's made out like the Rachni Queen was controlling all the workers and warriors.

It's simply said she's "angry and dangerous" and that the "rachni had terrorized the galaxy" before.

Free her and "She left, and took her army of drones with her."

There's no explanation as to why killing the queen would doom the entire species to extinction.

Mu-relay? What's that?

Feros. Cipher. Thorian. All gone.

Shep just finds Virmire somehow.

STG? Kirrahe? Gone. There's a salarian in one panel though.

Indoctrination? Shep figures out what it really is just by talking to Saren on Virmire.

Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".

Genophage? Explained very poorly, but at least it's accurate about what it does explain.

"Wrex disagreed...violently." Uh, he did? If you didn't know better, you'd think he attacked Shep.

"Fortunately, Wrex is smarter than he looks." C'mon, that's just insulting.

No second beacon.

"I split up my team in two squads, sending Ash with one, Kaidan with the other as a distraction. We had a nuke, and we planned to use it." Who the f*ck was in these squads? Why is only one person killed?

Ilos? Just some old planet.

Conduit? Yeah....no.

Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.

The Cycle? Shep figures that part out on Ilos.

Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.

Citadel? Apparently, not a relay to dark space. There's more than one of those now.

The Citadel controls the mass relays. What's a mass relay? Good question.

Dual-pistol-wielding Tali and Garrus.

Husks have red blood. Not that you'd know what they are as they just appear out of nowhere on the Citadel.

Geth ships don't look right at all. You also have no idea what they are.

Saren "died believing the Reapers would save him."

RoboSaren? Final boss not appearing in this comic.

The impression is given that the Destiny Ascension only comes under attack after Saren's dead. The Asari Councilor personally asks for help.

The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.

Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.

Try and figure out what the Normandy was actually doing in that battle just going by the art alone.

Udina's office is apparently in a skyscraper. And has glass windows.

"Earned us our first seat on the Council." It's not really wrong....if you have prior knowledge of how the Council works and know there will be successors. Otherwise, you'd think humans could eventually have multiple Councilors at once.

Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.

Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for "answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.


Yes. This is exactly why I hate that PS3 got Mass Effect...ME3 will be affected by this ****** poor comic no matter what Priestly and co. say.