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[Clover Rider]

Modifié par Some Geth, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[Clover Rider]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Apparently, melding feels awesome and Shepard loves it. I seem to remember almost all dialogue involving the melding being simply "I didn't feel a thing".

Not a fan of how it forces Liara down the player's throat throat as the romance option, nor how she apparently sleeps with Shepard because she knows he feels bad about Kaidan.

Not a big fan of how they completely ignored Salarans, Volus, Elcor, Hanar and the like. I can understand wanting to keep the player surprised when they meet them if they never saw them before but it's pretty bad when they ignored a part of the Council. I can imagine people seeing Mordin and going "WHAT THE FREAK IS THAT?".

... and why does Wrex look like a human with a turtle shell?

 

[Praetor Knight]

Some Geth wrote...
 

That made me laugh.

[Gibb_Shepard]

They should've just left it. There are so many retcons, inconsistencies and biases in this comic that it really takes a giant turd on what ME1 was. Who wrote the comic? Was it Mac Walters again?

[JustValiant]

Mesina2 wrote...

^What choices did we had there?
Save or kill of Colonists and kill or spare Shiala?
Not really big choices.

Sure, too bad that won't be in comic but still...

I wouldn't call wiping out an entire colony or saving it "no a big choice": Feros had one of the strongest if not the strongest paragon/renegade polarisation in ME1: Furthermore as stated before without the cipher Shepard would still scratch his head about all those blurry visions.
I admit being a huge Shiala fan I'm not objective but aside of Shepard she's the only living being in the galaxy who bears the collected memory of an entire colony of protheans a race of which the Shadowbroker was convinced could have the key for defeating the reapers. And still having no tool against the indoctrination the Thorian or the knowledge about him could prove to be vital against a fleet of indoctrinators.

[Dave of Canada]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

They should've just left it. There are so many retcons, inconsistencies and biases in this comic that it really takes a giant turd on what ME1 was. Who wrote the comic? Was it Mac Walters again?

If it was, I'm afraid for Mass Effect 3.

[Valikdu]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

And what is with Liaras outfit?
More specifically, the way it emphasises her breasts.
She was the only nonsexualised asari. Not anymore.

Actually, in her armored labcoat in LotSB she was pleasantly busty already.

I wonder if that reflects the transition from Maiden to Matron?

Makes sense. Needs bigger biotic capacitors.

[Someone With Mass]

The best part: the soundtrack.



So many vague details it's not even funny.

[SkyJackal]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Turtle-Wrex to the rescue.

Literally lol'd. Dark Horse really struggle with ME aliens. xD

[Babli]

Dark Horse comics about ME sucks? What a SURPRISE!!!
It all felt just wrong.

[Remus Artega]

Why did Bioware let this atrocity ever happen?...Thanks to this comic the ME3 will be ruined by this distorted and deformed thing... And I thought that PR from Bioware was talking about how the experience for each player will differ...now we are stuck with Biowares default Shepard...it came out worse than I expected...deliberately omitting ME1...

[CroGamer002]

Remus Artega wrote...

Why did Bioware let this atrocity ever happen?...Thanks to this comic the ME3 will be ruined by this distorted and deformed thing... And I thought that PR from Bioware was talking about how the experience for each player will differ...now we are stuck with Biowares default Shepard...it came out worse than I expected...deliberately omitting ME1...

What the hell are you talking about?

[CC-Tron]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Turtle-Wrex to the rescue.

Well.......at least we now know why Shepard said Wrex is smarter than he looks. His face looks flat. They obviously didn't try very hard with the art.

[CroGamer002]

CC-Tron wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Turtle-Wrex to the rescue.

Well.......at least we now know why Shepard said Wrex is smarter than he looks. His face looks flat. They obviously didn't try very hard with the art.

Mark Meer: Wow, that Krogan looks retarded.
Dark Horse artist: That's Wrex.
MM: You sh*tting me?!
DHA: No.
MM:

Since Mark Meer is improviser I think he said that line.
Needed like dozen takes to say it's Wrex.

Modifié par Mesina2, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:01 .

[Leonia]

Wrex looks like a Hutt in body armour :/ At least they didn't mess up the turians or asari too badly.

[Chignon]

didymos1120 wrote...

A lot of this stuff has been listed before, but I've decided to just consolidate all the problems I and others have seen.  I've tried emphasize why it's so bad for someone who knows nothing about ME1, and I've mostly avoided the art, except where it violates continuity. Keep in mind how a lot of this will seem after someone gets into the game and starts getting exposition on a lot of this stuff:

Normandy's just some ship.

Shep's just some guy. Not a Spectre candidate.

Nothing about humanity's current place, or the basics of the setting.

Nihlus? Gone.

Joker? Gone.

Geth? What are those?

Only an Alliance patrol was attacked. Not Eden Prime as a whole. It also gives the impression that Sovereign did it, not the geth. No video transmission, and the patrol "couldn't explain" what they'd seen. Then they change that during the beacon scene: now the colony was attacked.

Kaidan? He's a "good kid". He also uses an assault rifle throughout the comic. Later on Virmire: "Save Kaiden."

Biotics. What are they? Good question. We won't be answering it at this time.

There's a dead krogan next to the beacon.

The Citadel and Council are just dropped in with no explanation as to what either is. Spectres aren't explained either. Shep just becomes one for some reason.

There was some unspecified, additional evidence connecting Saren to Sovereign.

Udina's just a guy. His personality is elided pretty much entirely, with just a little bit mentioned at the very end.

Garrus is "a top agent for Citadel Security." Uh, huh?

Tali's a fugitive. From what? Why? Who knows.

Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.

Why is Wrex even involved? He just had some unspecified "intel". Why'd he have it? What was it? More good questions.

Wrex's armor starts out short-sleeved, then reverts to normal on Virmire. (yeah, nitpick, but that's just sloppy)

Reapers allegedly kill everything every 50,000 years. It almost sounds like this is a commonly known thing. Oh and that fact alone is supposed to "explain" why Saren's trying to bring about their return. Until the comic gets to Virmire and suddenly it doesn't explain it, and Shep wonders why Saren's doing all this. Which by the way is never explained. Sovereign just indocrinated him at some point apparently.

BTW, what's indoctrination exactly?

Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?

Therum? No mention. Liara is just found somewhere and comes along.

If you didn't know about asari, you could easily think just Liara and her mother had the melding ability, like some sort of mutant superpower.

Noveria's just a name. It comes across like rachni lived there, and Saren conquered them.

Absolutely nothing is said about where on Noveria you fought the rachni.

It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.

Benezia is just there to extract "information" from the Queen. What it is and why Saren wants it? Not explained.

Benezia's just a name. You see her corpse in one panel, no face.

It's made out like the Rachni Queen was controlling all the workers and warriors.

It's simply said she's "angry and dangerous" and that the "rachni had terrorized the galaxy" before.

Free her and "She left, and took her army of drones with her."

There's no explanation as to why killing the queen would doom the entire species to extinction.

Mu-relay? What's that?

Feros. Cipher. Thorian. All gone.

Shep just finds Virmire somehow.

STG? Kirrahe? Gone. There's a salarian in one panel though.

Indoctrination? Shep figures out what it really is just by talking to Saren on Virmire.

Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".

Genophage? Explained very poorly, but at least it's accurate about what it does explain.

"Wrex disagreed...violently." Uh, he did? If you didn't know better, you'd think he attacked Shep.

"Fortunately, Wrex is smarter than he looks." C'mon, that's just insulting.

No second beacon.

"I split up my team in two squads, sending Ash with one, Kaidan with the other as a distraction. We had a nuke, and we planned to use it." Who the f*ck was in these squads? Why is only one person killed?

Ilos? Just some old planet.

Conduit? Yeah....no.

Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.

The Cycle? Shep figures that part out on Ilos.

Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.

Citadel? Apparently, not a relay to dark space. There's more than one of those now.

The Citadel controls the mass relays. What's a mass relay? Good question.

Dual-pistol-wielding Tali and Garrus.

Husks have red blood. Not that you'd know what they are as they just appear out of nowhere on the Citadel.

Geth ships don't look right at all. You also have no idea what they are.

Saren "died believing the Reapers would save him."

RoboSaren? Final boss not appearing in this comic.

The impression is given that the Destiny Ascension only comes under attack after Saren's dead. The Asari Councilor personally asks for help.

The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.

Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.

Try and figure out what the Normandy was actually doing in that battle just going by the art alone.

Udina's office is apparently in a skyscraper. And has glass windows.

"Earned us our first seat on the Council." It's not really wrong....if you have prior knowledge of how the Council works and know there will be successors. Otherwise, you'd think humans could eventually have multiple Councilors at once.

Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.

Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for "answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.

You summed it up perfectly. Of course a comic can never compare to actually playing the game, but this ... thing is so lacking and disappointing that I thought it to be a joke at first.

[CroGamer002]

Wait a sec, did Bioware wrote this comic or did someone from Dark Horse?

I mean they mixed Kaidan with Jenkins.

[Tamahome560]

The comic is OK. As a ''save editor'' for PS3 people. I agree it missed out a lot of important information like the conduit. And it messed up some plot lines ( Relays to the dark space ... c'mon Mac you can do better then that). It completely skipped Feros and no mention of the Cipher. But for a player who has never experienced anything related to Mass Effect it is a fine short summary.



Would you rather play default ME2 Shep just because the comic is not perfect. It gives an opportunity to make some choices for people who will not have access to ME ever. This was it's purpose and this is what it does. If I were playing ME2 on PS3 I would take a poorly done comic which allows me to set my own choices rather then default choices.

[didymos1120]

Tamahome560 wrote...

( Relays to the dark space ... c'mon Mac you can do better then that). 

We don't know who actually wrote the thing.

[AlexMBrennan]

You are assuming that the options are to have a badly done comic or nothing at all. Why is it impossible for BW to make a good comic?

[Forsythia]

While I agree with the comments people have made in this thread, you have to remember the comic is meant for people who haven't played Mass Effect 1. And I think BioWare did a good job in capturing the main story of the first game.



Only real comment I have is that I don't understand why the Geth aren't mentioned. That's just sloppy.

[Remus Artega]

didymos1120 wrote...

Tamahome560 wrote...

( Relays to the dark space ... c'mon Mac you can do better then that). 

We don't know who actually wrote the thing.

He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

[didymos1120]

Forsythia wrote...

While I agree with the comments people have made in this thread, you have to remember the comic is meant for people who haven't played Mass Effect 1. And I think BioWare did a good job in capturing the main story of the first game.

Yeah, that's the problem: it's internally inconsistent, explains next to nothing about the actual plot or characters or settting of ME1, and will be contradicted by the codex and dialogue in ME2.  It does a horrible job of capturing the main story of the game.  It's basically an outline, and a frequently incorrect one at that.

[Da_Lion_Man]

It's pretty much garbage... but at least I can change my games a bit.

[mineralica]

And now my favourite character looks like he just caught a brick with his face:

Dave of Canada wrote...
Turtle-Wrex to the rescue.

My favourite LI changed name and became a good kid. pedoShepard???
And my favourite asari, matriarch Lidanya, replaced with asari Councilor.

But the main question - where's Cerberus? On of the most moving moments from their activity was Kahoku and mentioning about his widow and three children. Without evidencing what they've done in ME1 it seems to be unreal to not trust them in ME2. The same goes for Council, Alliance and Udina