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[didymos1120]

Remus Artega wrote...
He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

Lead writer doesn't mean "writes every word".   For instance, he didn't write Lair.  And Drew didn't write everything either in ME1. A ton of ME was not his doing.  For instance, Wrex?  Largely Mac Walters' work.  The entire Codex? Not Drew.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[morrie23]

Geez, that's pretty bad. Inconsistencies everywhere! Who the hell wrote this? Surely someone at BioWare checked this before giving the green light. Sigh.



I am worried about ME3 now.

[didymos1120]

Actually, I've figured out what it reminds me of the most: one of those book reports that gets read to the class and the kid completely forgot about and just sort of skimmed the book last night and/or during the bus ride to school that morning, but mostly just winged it.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:41 .

[Remus Artega]

didymos1120 wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...
He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

Lead writer doesn't mean "writes every word".   For instance, he didn't write Lair.  And Drew didn't write everything either in ME1. A ton of ME was not his doing.  For instance, Wrex?  Largely Mac Walters' work.  The entire Codex? Not Drew.

He didn't white Lair and it IMO came out better than any recruitment mission in vanilla ME2 and has actual impact on the main plot. But Drew did have the main word in what is or isn't plausible. He probably did guide all other writers to fit with his ideas...

Modifié par Remus Artega, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:42 .

[Babli]

didymos1120 wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...
He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

Lead writer doesn't mean "writes every word".   For instance, he didn't write Lair.  And Drew didn't write everything either in ME1. A ton of ME was not his doing.  For instance, Wrex?  Largely Mac Walters' work.  The entire Codex? Not Drew.

But he is lead writer. He is responsible for everything in terms of story. Thats his job and he is paid for it. And just in my opinion, he pretty much ruined almost everything.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...
He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

Lead writer doesn't mean "writes every word".   For instance, he didn't write Lair.  And Drew didn't write everything either in ME1. A ton of ME was not his doing.  For instance, Wrex?  Largely Mac Walters' work.  The entire Codex? Not Drew.

But he is lead writer. He is responsible for everything in terms of story. Thats his job and he is paid for it. And just in my opinion, he pretty much ruined almost everything.

What he exactly ruined to you besides this comic?

[wolfsite]

This is really gonna mess up plot discussions on the forum since people's perspectives from playing just the PS3 version is gonna be radically different from those who actually played ME1.

Hopefully PS3 players will look into actual ME1 gameplay and story online to see what they missed or how some sections actually happenned.

[GuitarShredUK]

Forsythia wrote...

While I agree with the comments people have made in this thread, you have to remember the comic is meant for people who haven't played Mass Effect 1. And I think BioWare did a good job in capturing the main story of the first game.

Only real comment I have is that I don't understand why the Geth aren't mentioned. That's just sloppy.

Well, that's all well and good apart from the simple fact that the main thing you need when introducing someone to something new is detail, that's also paced correctly. Otherwise...all you will achieve is making said person who is new to the main material/story etc (in ME2) confused when they run into references/events that were left out of the preview/backstory.

My take on this is that Bioware thought they could achieve their main objective with the comic (as an introduction to ME) via the comic by using just the main points...however they seem to have kept what they've used to the bare bones which is very annoying in my opinion.

I was actually considering buying a PS3 to sit along side my 360 so I could experience the wonders of ME2 again on a new system, but if I do do this thank f**k I've played both ME1 and 2 several times on the 360 so I can breeze through this frankly lame excuse of an introduction to ME for PS3ers!  

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:49 .

[Jade Elf]

wolfsite wrote...

This is really gonna mess up plot discussions on the forum since people's perspectives from playing just the PS3 version is gonna be radically different from those who actually played ME1.

Hopefully PS3 players will look into actual ME1 gameplay and story online to see what they missed or how some sections actually happenned.

I think there's going to be a lot of "please go and read the codex/check out the ME wiki first".

[Zulu_DFA]

Babli wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Remus Artega wrote...
He is a lead writer of Mass Effect now and unfortunately a comic writer. Who else would have done that? I fear for the ME3 now...very much...Drew Karpyshyn please come back and save this once great universe of yours

Lead writer doesn't mean "writes every word".   For instance, he didn't write Lair.  And Drew didn't write everything either in ME1. A ton of ME was not his doing.  For instance, Wrex?  Largely Mac Walters' work.  The entire Codex? Not Drew.

But he is lead writer. He is responsible for everything in terms of story. Thats his job and he is paid for it. And just in my opinion, he pretty much ruined almost everything.

The root of all evil are the thermal clips and targetting 15-year olds with Miranda's ass shots. Mac Walters isn't resposible for that. He is quite on the receiving end of those things too. How can he write a serious story about semi-nude women in space?

[Forsythia]

GuitarShredUK wrote...

[Well, that's all well and good apart from the simple fact that the main thing you need when introducing someone to something new is detail, that's also paced correctly. Otherwise...all you will achieve is making said person who is new to the main material/story etc (in ME2) confused when they run into references/events that were left out of the preview/backstory.

My take on this is that Bioware thought they could achieve their main objective with the comic (as an introduction to ME) via the comic by using just the main points...however they seem to have kept what they've used to the bare bones which is very annoying in my opinion.

I was actually considering buying a PS3 to sit along side my 360 so I could experience the wonders of ME2 again on a new system, but if I do do this thank f**k I've played both ME1 and 2 several times on the 360 so I can breeze through this frankly lame excuse of an introduction to ME for PS3ers!  

I don't see why people are so worked up about this. You already have Mass Effect 1 and PS3 gamers who haven't played it probably won't be as disappointed about the comic.

Be glad BioWare actually took the time to make an introduction to the series, they could've just dropped ME2 on PS3 without it.

Modifié par Forsythia, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:11 .

[didymos1120]

People always seem to forget that, ultimately, it's Casey Hudson who is in charge of ME. Mac may or may not be to blame for actual writing in the comic, but the final say on letting it go to "press" was definitely not his.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
The root of all evil are the thermal clips and targetting 15-year olds with Miranda's ass shots. Mac Walters isn't resposible for that. He is quite on the receiving end of those things too. How can he write a serious story about semi-nude women in space?

Did you ever played Soldier class in ME1?!
Do you know how boring that class is in ME1?!

I challenge you to play as Soldier in ME1 and then in ME2 and say to me it's better without Thermal Clips!

[Remus Artega]

Forsythia wrote...

GuitarShredUK wrote...

[Well, that's all well and good apart from the simple fact that the main thing you need when introducing someone to something new is detail, that's also paced correctly. Otherwise...all you will achieve is making said person who is new to the main material/story etc (in ME2) confused when they run into references/events that were left out of the preview/backstory.

My take on this is that Bioware thought they could achieve their main objective with the comic (as an introduction to ME) via the comic by using just the main points...however they seem to have kept what they've used to the bare bones which is very annoying in my opinion.

I was actually considering buying a PS3 to sit along side my 360 so I could experience the wonders of ME2 again on a new system, but if I do do this thank f**k I've played both ME1 and 2 several times on the 360 so I can breeze through this frankly lame excuse of an introduction to ME for PS3ers!  

I don't see why people are so worked up about this. You already have Mass Effect 1 and PS3 gamers who haven't played it probably won't be as disappointed about the comic.

Be glad BioWare actually took the time to make an introduction to the series, they could've just dropped ME2 on PS3 without it.

I'll guote myself from another thread

Remus Artega wrote...
Everyone would gladly toss it out of the nearest airlock...the problem is that this comic and not ME1 stands now as a base for ME3

[didymos1120]

Forsythia wrote...
I don't see why people are so worked up about this. You already have Mass Effect 1 and PS3 gamers who haven't played it probably won't be as disappointed about the comic.

Nothing to do with disappointment.  Everything to do with it not doing what it's supposed to at all well: bring people up to speed on the actual events of ME1 and introduce them to the basics of the setting.  It is quite simply a very poor piece of storytelling, and it can't even keep its own (often wildly inaccurate) version of the story straight.

Be glad BioWare actually took the time to make an introduction to the series, they could've just dropped ME2 on PS3 without it.

That doesn't change the fact that they completely botched the job.

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:24 .

[Icinix]

...meh. Wasn't too bad, does the job, but certainly skips and / or embellishes a few parts of the story. Considering they could have just gone with a canon style game with set choices, I think it's not to bad.

Cramming a 30 hour game into a 15 minute comic couldn't have been easy, if they had included other things that weren't critical it could have been a half hour / forty five minute selection screen, which most people would have struggled to get through I imagine.

[morrie23]

I believe Mac did write this piece of garbage:

From Jesse Houston [PS3 Content Clarification Thread]...
Yes, Dark Horse is working with us to make the Interactive Comic Mac also wrote the comic (he wrote the other ones as well).

There you have it. Of course the higher ups in BioWare could of made him change it.

Edit: link

Modifié par morrie23, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:30 .

[Saibh]

Forsythia wrote...

I don't see why people are so worked up about this. You already have Mass Effect 1 and PS3 gamers who haven't played it probably won't be as disappointed about the comic.

Be glad BioWare actually took the time to make an introduction to the series, they could've just dropped ME2 on PS3 without it.

Well, like the OP points out, this is to give them background knowledge. And they're wrong. He pointed how the Rachni Queen decision--the narration was indistinct and uninformative, leaving out key parts of the situation. When things get explained later in ME2 or ME3, and it contradicts the comic, then that only serves to further confuse.

Honestly, it's not a gift to gamers that they made the comic--many people don't want to play the second game in a trilogy as the first, and providing this comic is way to play without it.

[wolfsite]

It is hard to look at the comic by itself if you have played ME1, lets face a lot of the sections it feels like they are pushing you to make the one decision over the other, where in ME1 you at least got more background about the situation and your available squadmates would give there opinions before you decide.

I can honestly say that this does not feel like Mass Effect 1 based on the fact that I have played it, yes for people new it is decent jump off but it leaves out too much for people to make a rational decision on characters.

No learning about Sarens fate and giving him that chance to redeem himself (which shows that he could have been forced into the situation the entire time)

No learning about Kaiden/Ashley and there past as well as there beliefs (I bet Ash's E-mail will really confuse people who don't know her love of poetry and belief in God)

No learning what Liara is really like (Comic gives the impression she is older than she really is on Asari terms)

No learning of the Genophage from Wrex's perspective.

No learning about Tali's culture or seeing how she adapts to life outside the Migrant Fleet

No learning about Garrus' family and helping decide which path to choose(Between getting the job done whatever the cost and doing the job by the rules so people don't fear you more than those who whish them harm)

Knowing all that and not seeing it does make the comic shallow but at the same time do you want to have someone sit on a couch watching a comic for an hour or more to play ME2.

[Gibb_Shepard]

morrie23 wrote...

I believe Mac did write this piece of garbage:

From Jesse Houston [PS3 Content Clarification Thread]...
Yes, Dark Horse is working with us to make the Interactive Comic Mac also wrote the comic (he wrote the other ones as well).

There you have it. Of course the higher ups in BioWare could of made him change it.

Edit: link

.....Niiiice, he retconned another aspect of ME, except this aspect was the entirety of the first game. Niiiice. I can only imagine the Evolution comic: "Jack Harper, the loving, selfless individual who goes out of his way to help an old Turian cross the street. This, is his story *Da-Da!*"

[FireEye]

Mesina2 wrote...

Did you ever played Soldier class in ME1?!
Do you know how boring that class is in ME1?!

I challenge you to play as Soldier in ME1 and then in ME2 and say to me it's better without Thermal Clips!

My MainShep is a Soldier in ME1.  She's also the only one I brought into ME2, and I kept her as a soldier.  ME2 would have been better with a cooling system and without the thermal clips.

Granted, I'm not the one you're challenging, but: challenge answered.  Feel free to call me a moron for having a contrary opinion in gameplay mechanics, if it makes you feel better.  I'm used to it by now. 


As for the comic, it's terrible.  Poor Kaidan, Poor Ashley, Poor Wrex.  Poor Udina, for crying out loud.  And that's just the characters, and not the overarching story.  Sheesh! 

[JuicElawl]

i don't read comics, i generally think they're pretty dumb.



from the posts on this thread, it sounds like i will not be missing much if i skip this ME comic.

[didymos1120]

FireEye wrote...
 Poor Udina, for crying out loud. 

At least he got to do his Fist Clench of Righteous Indignation, though. 

[Icinix]

FireEye wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Did you ever played Soldier class in ME1?!
Do you know how boring that class is in ME1?!

I challenge you to play as Soldier in ME1 and then in ME2 and say to me it's better without Thermal Clips!

My MainShep is a Soldier in ME1.  She's also the only one I brought into ME2, and I kept her as a soldier.  ME2 would have been better with a cooling system and without the thermal clips.

(snip)

Also not the one being challenged but ...it's better without thermal clips....
Since every pro and con has been thrown around a bajillion times we'll just skip the details and agree to disagree.  Heres hoping ME3 can be modded like ME2 to use unlimited ammo with the cool down so everybody can be happy!