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Maria Caliban wrote...
It doesn't define her by her sexuality. It defines her as free-spirited, a troublemaker, skilled with a blade, willing to use dirty tricks, and desirable.
It's the fans that focus on her sexuality to the exclusion of all else.
Maria Caliban wrote...
There's no indication that she uses her looks to win battles. If she were a hairy brute that bathed once a year and looked like a dog's ass, she still would have won that fight.
We have no idea if her sexuality is a big part of who she is. She likes having sex, we know that. She's flirtatious as well and a love interest.Count Viceroy wrote...
it alone doesn't define her, but it is a big part in who she is.Maria Caliban wrote...
It doesn't define her by her sexuality. It defines her as free-spirited, a troublemaker, skilled with a blade, willing to use dirty tricks, and desirable.
It's the fans that focus on her sexuality to the exclusion of all else.
They focus on it because that is the only thing they have evidence of from the actual game. She offers to jump your bones when she first meets you. I'm more than willing to give bioware the benifit of the doubt, I am just not happy with the way she is presented on a surface level. It isn't that big a deal, it just bugs me.Maria Caliban wrote...
It doesn't define her by her sexuality. It defines her as free-spirited, a troublemaker, skilled with a blade, willing to use dirty tricks, and desirable.
It's the fans that focus on her sexuality to the exclusion of all else.
Ryzaki wrote...
Tyrael02 wrote...
LOL if I know nothing about wynne, then neither do you and your claim is no more valid than mine, except i have evidence, and you really don't. don't get upset.
Yes because Wynne was such a prude that she never had sex ever. And especially never had a child. Or considered using contraception.
Yup.
Your claim about her being a prude is totally correct. Yup. You know all there is to know about Wynne.
Nice dragging "evidence" though. I mean totally your evidence is irrefutable!
Modifié par Tyrael02, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .
crimzontearz wrote...
in all honesty, and people know I love Isabela, her sexuality IS thrown around by the devs quite a lot
Tyrael02 wrote...
Go read the wiki on random party chat
) things may be perking up 
... I think Bioware has done a fine job of keeping that whole conservative/skimpy line in balance.
TheMadCat wrote...
Steffen wrote...
No, clothing almost always depicit who we are, examples: the person that succombs to peer pressure, and dresses the way other people want him/her to, the guy/girl that tries so hard not to fit in instead of figuring out who they are, the guy/girl that is comfortable with who they are even if they feel the need to not wear pants. Two of these indicates internal struggle to figure out who they are, struggle that creates interesting characters, and appeal.
Ok, and what is this individual is in freezing weather, what if this persons culture deplores the particular clothing in question? What if their wealth prevents them from owning this type of clothing? Sigil and yourself keep pointing to these very isolated, very limited scenarios and completely ignore as many external elements as you can. Let's remember the rudimentary purpose of clothes are one, survival, two, social status, and three, practicality. The idea of clothes being a direct reflection of the wearers personality, while having some truth to it, is overshadowed by so many other more pratical and external reasons.
The use of clothing can have some impact in a story and give a visual and simplistic idea of the character or contrasts with other characters, an off the top of my head example, the color of Luke's primary clothes change (White, grey, black) as he get's more powerful and the Darkside slowly comes closer to tempting and engulfing him. Ultimately though this didn't add any more depth to his character and doesn't necessairy reflect who he is, it didn't do anything to further explain anything we didn't witness from the character itself developing and in fact went over many peoples heads. Ultimately it comes down to the ability of customizing your character or adding in a small, trivial bit to character depth.
Was she on her way to fight some Qunari?thegreateski wrote...
Why are people throwing a fit about women dressing skimpily? Just yesterday I watched someone walk down the street in short shorts and a tube top.
In the middle of winter.
Steffen wrote...
I wouldn't say that culture or beliefs are external in any way, if you have a certain faith that states your moral code, it's a part of who you are and is shown in the way you present yourself, so in that way you have proved my point perfectly. If the devs. were to think as practicly as you are suggesting then every one would have to have a summer outfit and a winter outfit, i think biowares focus is elswere, mainly how can we use games as an interactive medium to tell a story filled with interesting characters in a way books and movies can't, part of doing that is forgetting certain things like practicality in favor of something more important.
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TheMadCat wrote...
Steffen wrote...
I wouldn't say that culture or beliefs are external in any way, if you have a certain faith that states your moral code, it's a part of who you are and is shown in the way you present yourself, so in that way you have proved my point perfectly. If the devs. were to think as practicly as you are suggesting then every one would have to have a summer outfit and a winter outfit, i think biowares focus is elswere, mainly how can we use games as an interactive medium to tell a story filled with interesting characters in a way books and movies can't, part of doing that is forgetting certain things like practicality in favor of something more important.
But what makes the clothing they wear important? What does that actually add or improve to the story that dialogue and actions don't already do? I gave you an example of the greatest extent clothing can do to represent a character, and even there that was ultimately meaningless as it added nothing more then a visual representation of what we already knew. It's great for setting the stage of a character or reintroducing a character that has been absent from the story for a long time and has had some sort of developments, but characters you grow and develop with and see all the time? How would giving Morrigan, Alistair, or Leliana a specific set of clothing changed the perception of their character? How would allowing us to customize Varric's, Isabella's, or Merrill's armor change the percpetion we would have of them?
You're exchanging player control for a stroytelling crutch, if that's what people want then fine. But this notion that this does anything to help make a character more distinct or allow them to develop a character further then they would if they allowed us to chage their armor just feels so asinine. I'll leave it at that and end my part here, you can have the last words.
but isn't that switching cause and effect Maria?Maria Caliban wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
in all honesty, and people know I love Isabela, her sexuality IS thrown around by the devs quite a lot
To be sure, this is because 80% of the time, when Isabela is brought up, it's as a love interest or to complain about her lack of pants.
The reason we know more about Fenris or Varric is that their respective writers post on their fanthreads. Sheryl hardly ever posts and the last time she did, she was dragged through the coals for not being professional enough.
I do think that Isabela quite sexual. She probably has a rather ribled sense of humor. I no more think that she's defined by her sexuality than Merrill is defined by being the virginal girl next door.
koshiee wrote...
why are all the women's breast so big? Is a d-cup the standard breast size in feralden?
crimzontearz wrote...
also......what happened to Sheryl???
Modifié par dbankier, 17 janvier 2011 - 11:34 .
crimzontearz wrote...
Isabela immediately hits on the Warden upon talking to her, if the warden fails to best her at her own game she accepts sex as a payment (which can turn into a happy three some or a foursome).....yes the devs have said that that was not supposed to define her character and that would be all fine and dandy but other things begin to pile up. Thanks to what we have been shown (and is being shown to this hypotehtical person) Isabela is the LI to be revealed, her first 2 trailers reveal teo kiss scenes, she wears clothers that are utterly not combat ready but indeed have several sexual aspects to them (mentioned before by others), she is described as the "wild" love interest, is the only one with a love scene revealed to this point and seems to care onloy about sex in her relationship (you want to bring feelings into this)
with all this pushing you have to wonder just what image the devs wanted her to have since only very few people compared to the target audience come to the forums and can readwhat the devsmeant for isabela to be and all.....
dbankier wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
also......what happened to Sheryl???
See the Merrill thread, page 18 onwards. Someone got uptight and accused her of 'lacking professionalism,' all over a few lighthearted comments regarding Merrill's cuteness.
Reaverwind wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
Isabela immediately hits on the Warden upon talking to her, if the warden fails to best her at her own game she accepts sex as a payment (which can turn into a happy three some or a foursome).....yes the devs have said that that was not supposed to define her character and that would be all fine and dandy but other things begin to pile up. Thanks to what we have been shown (and is being shown to this hypotehtical person) Isabela is the LI to be revealed, her first 2 trailers reveal teo kiss scenes, she wears clothers that are utterly not combat ready but indeed have several sexual aspects to them (mentioned before by others), she is described as the "wild" love interest, is the only one with a love scene revealed to this point and seems to care onloy about sex in her relationship (you want to bring feelings into this)
with all this pushing you have to wonder just what image the devs wanted her to have since only very few people compared to the target audience come to the forums and can readwhat the devsmeant for isabela to be and all.....
She comes across quite clearly as a tramp. If that's not the impression the devs wanted to give, they should have done something different with the trailers.
. Most folks were dressed very conservatively, and certainly there was nothing even remotely comparable to a 'chainmail bikini', something that would've been nice to have for Leliana. So I'd say the only reasonable complaint about the clothing styles is that they were very much overly conservative, not that they were too skimpy in any way whatsoever.
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