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[wulfsturm]

I support the Emancipation of Woman's Flesh, let it be free!



You can't suppress us forever! WE WILL BE VICTORIOUS!

[crimzontearz]

SirGladiator wrote...

If making fun comments about Merrill's cuteness is unprofessional in somebody's opinion, that's their problem not Sheryl's. Sheryl really should be smart enough not to let something dumb like that bother her, its so obviously absurd. Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all.

On the topic of this thread, it seems absurd to complain about 'skimpy outfits', other than Morrigan's outfits there were no skimpy outfits at all in DAO, whether you wanted them or not. For the most part the clothing styles were extremely conservative, not skimpy at all. I could understand if everybody, or even half the population, was dressed like Morrigan, but alas only Morrigan was dressed like Morrigan . Most folks were dressed very conservatively, and certainly there was nothing even remotely comparable to a 'chainmail bikini', something that would've been nice to have for Leliana. So I'd say the only reasonable complaint about the clothing styles is that they were very much overly conservative, not that they were too skimpy in any way whatsoever.

you need to consider something about Morrigan tho.

She is a mage, as a mage she does not have to worry over much about her "combat readiness" because at will she can turn her skin into the biological equivalent of stone and erect forcefields....Isabela cannot. So if Morrigan wants to "accentuate" certain aspects of her nature through clothing she is not in any worse position "combat wise" than she was wearing a tunic......

[ErichHartmann]

Is it too late for a Isabela pants toggle (win/win!)?

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

Tyrael02 wrote...

Go read the wiki on random party chat

I already refuted your "evidence" but you ignored it because it lessened your "she's a prude" stance.
That said you seem to believe one is either a prude or promiscious so that's really all that needs to be said.

Wynne comes off as a prude in some of her banters, like getting flustered at Zevran talking about her magical bosoms (which was exactly what he intended ) or when she's scolding the Warden for a relationship with either Zevran or Morrigan.  To a male Warden romancing Morrigan, she says something like "honestly, the way she looks at you you'd think there was nothing above your waist", and she gets huffy about the lulzy response you can throw back at her about there being more below your waist.

So, Wynne might not be a prude, but she's a fuddy duddy.

Why are we talking about Wynne again?

Modifié par Addai67, 17 janvier 2011 - 11:57 .

[Ryzaki]

Addai67 wrote...

Wynne comes off as a prude in some of her banters, like getting flustered at Zevran talking about her magical bosoms (which was exactly what he intended ) or when she's scolding the Warden for a relationship with either Zevran or Morrigan.  To a male Warden romancing Morrigan, she says something like "honestly, the way she looks at you you'd think there was nothing above your waist", and she gets huffy about the lulzy response you can throw back at her about there being more below your waist.

So, Wynne might not be a prude, but she's a fuddy duddy.

Why are we talking about Wynne again?

Once again Morrigan is just as disgusted about Oghren hitting on her and Zevran knew he was bothering Wynne on purpose (to get him off his back).

That doesn't prove her being a prude.

And once again her main issue with Morrigan isn't the fact that you're sleeping together but the fact that Morrigan is about as trustworthy as a snake. (And she takes her words back when Morrigan loves you). She gets huffy because the PC mocks her concern.
And no I have no desire to get into a Wynne debate on this thread. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:04 .

[wulfsturm]

Ryzaki wrote...

Once again Morrigan is just as disgusted about Oghren hitting on her and Zevran knew he was bothering her on purpose (to get him off his back)

That doesn't prove her being a prude.

And no I have no desire to get into a Wynne debate on this thread. <_<

Uh, not to get in the middle of a discussion, but I am fairly sure that she was talking about Wynne being a prude, and her responses to Zhevran's advances, not Morrigan.

[Ryzaki]

wulfsturm wrote...

Uh, not to get in the middle of a discussion, but I am fairly sure that she was talking about Wynne being a prude, and her responses to Zhevran's advances, not Morrigan.

Right. I was comparing Morrigan (who certainly isn't a prude) being disgusted by some of the male PCs advances as well. Being repulsed by someone hitting on you isn't limited to "prudes".

[Sheryl Chee]

SirGladiator wrote...

Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all. 

Umm... what? I'm still here. I posted just as much now as I did back before that incident, which is to say not much at all. I don't really have anything to add that wouldn't be a spoiler, and I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion that revolves mainly around Isabela's pantlessness and how this does, or does not reflect her skankiness.

Modifié par Sheryl Chee, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:05 .

[crimzontearz]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all. 

Umm... what? I'm still here. I posted just as much now as I did back before that incident, which is to say not much at all. I don't really have anything to add that wouldn't be a spoiler, and I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion that revolves mainly around Isabela's pantlessness and how this does, or does not reflect her skankiness.

well truth be told it's not the pants....or her being a skank

[Xewaka]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...
Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all. 

Umm... what? I'm still here. I posted just as much now as I did back before that incident, which is to say not much at all. I don't really have anything to add that wouldn't be a spoiler, and I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion that revolves mainly around Isabela's pantlessness and how this does, or does not reflect her skankiness.

Since you're here mentioning pantlessness, I have a question. If it was deemed feasible to give all companions off-combat outfit and on-combat outfit, would Isabela be light armored while on-combat? That is, is the outfit choice one of character vs practicality, or simply that since there were no dual options, you went with what was expected to see more use -i.e. casual outfit-?

Modifié par Xewaka, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:12 .

[AlexXIV]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all. 

Umm... what? I'm still here. I posted just as much now as I did back before that incident, which is to say not much at all. I don't really have anything to add that wouldn't be a spoiler, and I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion that revolves mainly around Isabela's pantlessness and how this does, or does not reflect her skankiness.

Well that's good to hear read! Not that about your disinterest in Isabellas pantlessness, but that some random ****** of the internet didn't irritate you too much

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...
Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all. 

Umm... what? I'm still here. I posted just as much now as I did back before that incident, which is to say not much at all. I don't really have anything to add that wouldn't be a spoiler, and I'm not interested in engaging in a discussion that revolves mainly around Isabela's pantlessness and how this does, or does not reflect her skankiness.

Since you're here mentioning pantlessness, I have a question. If it was deemed feasible to give all companions off-combat outfit and on-combat outfit, would Isabela be light armored while on-combat? That is, is the outfit choice one of character vs practicality, or simply that since there were no dual options, you went with what was expected to see more use -i.e. casual outfit-?

How do you even get the idea? She looks the way she looks because they want her to look like that. How does being in combat or out of combat make a difference ... in a video game?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:15 .

[Xewaka]

AlexXIV wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Since you're here mentioning pantlessness, I have a question. If it was deemed feasible to give all companions off-combat outfit and on-combat outfit, would Isabela be light armored while on-combat? That is, is the outfit choice one of character vs practicality, or simply that since there were no dual options, you went with what was expected to see more use -i.e. casual outfit-?

How do you even get the idea? She looks the way she looks because they want her to look like that. How does being in combat or out of combat make a difference ... in a video game?

May I point you to the casual outfit wore by Shepard, Kailan and Ashley aboard the Normandy, which was replaced with armor while on the ground?

[upsettingshorts]

So the question is, "If Dragon Age 2's companions were being done differently, would they be different?"

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:19 .

[Xewaka]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
So the question is, "If Dragon Age 2's companions were being done differently, would they be different?"

Rather, "if there were more than one way to present the character, which presentation would have the stronger presence?"
See again the post above about Shepard, Kailan and Ashley aboard or offboard the Normandy.

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Since you're here mentioning pantlessness, I have a question. If it was deemed feasible to give all companions off-combat outfit and on-combat outfit, would Isabela be light armored while on-combat? That is, is the outfit choice one of character vs practicality, or simply that since there were no dual options, you went with what was expected to see more use -i.e. casual outfit-?

How do you even get the idea? She looks the way she looks because they want her to look like that. How does being in combat or out of combat make a difference ... in a video game?

May I point you to the casual outfit wore by Shepard, Kailan and Ashley aboard the Normandy, which was replaced with armor while on the ground?

Well Shepard has a sort of combat/space suit. Because for once he/she partly works in hazardous enviroments and I think the other reason is that there is tech installed to improve the healing/armor/physical attributes of Shepard. I mean by all suspension of belief walking on the moon in a sparetime outfit without a space suit is a bit too much. But then again look at Jack, Miranda etc. These are the ones you should compare with Isabella because Shep is the protagonist, and the protagonist in DA2 can still swtich armors.

[Torhagen]

i am all for pantlessness

and i feel the need to say prudes go home

[AlexXIV]

Torhagen wrote...

i am all for pantlessness
and i feel the need to say prudes go home

They are at home I think. Most of them anyway.

Edit: Hell I am a prude in some way myself. For example I don't wanna see nudes in the game. But it isn't even about that, people are actually argueing that people who are properly clothed don't wear more clothers. That's where we are ...

Modifié par AlexXIV, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:28 .

[legbamel]

SirGladiator wrote...
If making fun comments about Merrill's cuteness is unprofessional in somebody's opinion, that's their problem not Sheryl's. Sheryl really should be smart enough not to let something dumb like that bother her, its so obviously absurd. Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all.

On the topic of this thread, it seems absurd to complain about 'skimpy outfits', other than Morrigan's outfits there were no skimpy outfits at all in DAO, whether you wanted them or not. For the most part the clothing styles were extremely conservative, not skimpy at all. I could understand if everybody, or even half the population, was dressed like Morrigan, but alas only Morrigan was dressed like Morrigan . Most folks were dressed very conservatively, and certainly there was nothing even remotely comparable to a 'chainmail bikini', something that would've been nice to have for Leliana. So I'd say the only reasonable complaint about the clothing styles is that they were very much overly conservative, not that they were too skimpy in any way whatsoever.

I find it odd that so many people mention Morrigan's (truly dreadful) "robes" and so few mention Velanna's string bikini-and-loincloth "robes".  But the fact that most people were dressed conservatively only serves to make those who are not stand out much more clearly.  Obviously Thedas isn't a direct parallel with medieval Europe but the fact that most women (and male mages) are wearing full-length skirts unless they're wearing light armor makes those outfits anachronistic to that world.  If there were NPCs just wandering around Kirkwall pantless (or around Ferelden with their chests almost fully exposed) as well I wouldn't have a problem with Izzie's thong showing.  But there aren't.  Heck, even the people working at the Pearl showed less cleavage than Morrigan and Velanna.

[Xewaka]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well Shepard has a sort of combat/space suit. Because for once he/she partly works in hazardous enviroments and I think the other reason is that there is tech installed to improve the healing/armor/physical attributes of Shepard. I mean by all suspension of belief walking on the moon in a sparetime outfit without a space suit is a bit too much. But then again look at Jack, Miranda etc. These are the ones you should compare with Isabella because Shep is the protagonist, and the protagonist in DA2 can still swtich armors.

That's the reason the only people that left the ship on my playthroughs were Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, and Tali. They wore what could pass for combat-hazard suits.
And probably the reason why Isabela won't be in my party. If I believe the character is not equipped in a battle worthy manner, then he/she will not do battle.

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well Shepard has a sort of combat/space suit. Because for once he/she partly works in hazardous enviroments and I think the other reason is that there is tech installed to improve the healing/armor/physical attributes of Shepard. I mean by all suspension of belief walking on the moon in a sparetime outfit without a space suit is a bit too much. But then again look at Jack, Miranda etc. These are the ones you should compare with Isabella because Shep is the protagonist, and the protagonist in DA2 can still swtich armors.

That's the reason the only people that left the ship on my playthroughs were Grunt, Garrus, Mordin, Legion, and Tali. They wore what could pass for combat-hazard suits.
And probably the reason why Isabela won't be in my party. If I believe the character is not equipped in a battle worthy manner, then he/she will not do battle.

Well that's your decision  Good thing about Bioware RPGs is you get alot of choices and if your choice is to not take Isabella with you because you fear she could get hurt, then that's perfectly fine.

[cin_zia]

I don't understand what's the big deal with no pants!

Her boots are honestly high enough to act like pants, and yes she shows cleavage, big deal.

Also what's with people and large breasts? Wouldn't the world in general be boring if all characters were flat chested or just large chested? Some characters are covered and some aren't, it isn't scandalous.



Plus come on it is just a game.

[pizoxuat]

legbamel wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...
If making fun comments about Merrill's cuteness is unprofessional in somebody's opinion, that's their problem not Sheryl's. Sheryl really should be smart enough not to let something dumb like that bother her, its so obviously absurd. Its sad that something like that would chase her away from the forums, but the reality is that if that truly did chase her away, she wouldn't have lasted long around here anyway, as crazy stuff like that does get said from time to time. If she can't keep herself from taking it seriously, she's probably better off not reading the forums at all.

On the topic of this thread, it seems absurd to complain about 'skimpy outfits', other than Morrigan's outfits there were no skimpy outfits at all in DAO, whether you wanted them or not. For the most part the clothing styles were extremely conservative, not skimpy at all. I could understand if everybody, or even half the population, was dressed like Morrigan, but alas only Morrigan was dressed like Morrigan . Most folks were dressed very conservatively, and certainly there was nothing even remotely comparable to a 'chainmail bikini', something that would've been nice to have for Leliana. So I'd say the only reasonable complaint about the clothing styles is that they were very much overly conservative, not that they were too skimpy in any way whatsoever.

I find it odd that so many people mention Morrigan's (truly dreadful) "robes" and so few mention Velanna's string bikini-and-loincloth "robes".  But the fact that most people were dressed conservatively only serves to make those who are not stand out much more clearly.  Obviously Thedas isn't a direct parallel with medieval Europe but the fact that most women (and male mages) are wearing full-length skirts unless they're wearing light armor makes those outfits anachronistic to that world.  If there were NPCs just wandering around Kirkwall pantless (or around Ferelden with their chests almost fully exposed) as well I wouldn't have a problem with Izzie's thong showing.  But there aren't.  Heck, even the people working at the Pearl showed less cleavage than Morrigan and Velanna.

I would wager that's the result of budget limitation, rather than a statement about the world from the developers.  Having the art made for outfits costs money and manhours.  If you're short on either, it makes sense to make the generic outfits apply in the most situations possible.  No one is going to remember the iconic look Hooker #3, but they will remember the iconic look of Morrigan, so it makes sense to budget that way.

[Torhagen]

Tinxa wrote...

As far as I'm concerned mages can wear whatever they want... they're mages so what does it matter if they have a robe with a collar up to the chin or robe with cleavage. It would still be just a robe.

you mean as long as they dont show "to much" skin right ?

i'm just asking because you contradict yourself here

[Xewaka]

cin_zia wrote...
I don't understand what's the big deal with no pants!
Her boots are honestly high enough to act like pants, and yes she shows cleavage, big deal.
Also what's with people and large breasts? Wouldn't the world in general be boring if all characters were flat chested or just large chested? Some characters are covered and some aren't, it isn't scandalous.
Plus come on it is just a game.

The big deal, at least for me, is not about pantlessness, bootliness, or cleavageness. It's about the battle-readiness of such clothing. Again, if Isabela chose to wear those clothes while off combat, I would have exactly zero issues with it. It's the fact that a supposedly expert melee fighter considers it battle-worthy garment what worries me.
It might be just a game, and I'm willing certain amounts of leeway due to gameplay and story segregation, but there are certain things that simply reduce my enjoyment of that game, and glossing over armor in sword and sorcery is one of those certain things.