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[Count Viceroy]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I put clothes on Morrigan in DAO
because she was dressed completely inappropriate for the time period. .

Inappropriate for the time period? I wasn't aware the game took place in the fully clothed puritan age.

As Morrigan her self put it, "you do realise I lived in a swamp right?"

Not to mention she's a mage.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:49 .

[_Aine_]

Jacob was fan service? *boggles* His butt??? oO



I am a female, and I know fanservice when I ogle it and I guess what is attractive is pretty subjective but I didn't see a lot of fan-service males. Maybe women are just more complicated when it comes to attraction than males, I dunno, I can't speak for anyone else's genitalia. I also didn't see anything wrong with Jack given her personality. I liked her, you know, for a raging psychopath with a softer side. Miranda was just like any popular attractive woman out there really.



Isabella seems closer to fanservice than anyone really (so far) and I don't say that as a criticism it just seems that way, mostly because she has been the feature of much of the promotion. She *does* totally make sense in that outfit given her personality and role though. So, whatever - to me it isn't that big of a deal. Besides, with the toolset, you can make your own fanservice though which definitely happened with DA:O as many screenie threads prove Both for males and females. I doctored both Loghain and Sten to be my fan-service. I don't need butt or boob shots though, just a strong, dynamic, interesting character. I figure I am in the minority however.

[GodWood]

I put clothes on Morrigan because she looked cold.

[moilami]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

But the mages have had a big improvement, although still exposed where it counts, they seem to be wearing some sort of chainmail wrapped around or beneath their robes:

 

Wow! If that is in-game screenshot (and the mage available as a companion) I will get two copies of DA2!

[obsessedwjpn]

I just wanted to add my five cents to this conversation: I have no problem with how any female dresses in Bioware games. I do not think it is stupid for females to show what their mother gave them (and this is coming from a female btw) or what nature/surgery might have given them, lol.



I don't think a Bioware character like Isabela wearing clothes like she does brings her down any. She is still a strong, capable woman in my opinion. It is unavoidable that our world is still, in general, dominated by men in terms of companies: whether it be Bioware or somewhere else, but I don't think most men who design characters go OUT of their way to subjugate women in the image they design. They are just thinking of what appeals to them and personally, when I write novels I like to think of what appeals to me as a female author in terms of my male characters.



To each their own, just enjoy the game and don't worry about clothes. The mods for DA:O made more revealing clothing than the Bioware staff ever did.

[moilami]

Count Viceroy wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I put clothes on Morrigan in DAO
because she was dressed completely inappropriate for the time period. .

Inappropriate for the time period? I wasn't aware the game took place in the fully clothed puritan age.

As Morrigan her self put it, "you do realise I lived in a swamp right?"

Not to mention she's a mage.

Morrigan very famously cares a lot of organised society and its expectations, so isn't it a miracle she have a dress code on her own? Heroes in RPGs are supposedly strong minded individuals and it makes sense they don't dress sacks like some wenches.


Edit: It would be also best if all nerdragers in dark caves bashing all day long keyboard would stop requesting heroes in RPGs wear mainstream clothes.

Modifié par moilami, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:12 .

[GodWood]

moilami wrote...
Wow! If that is in-game screenshot (and the mage available as a companion) I will get two copies of DA2!

Before you ask...



She's your sister.

[sevalaricgirl]

Count Viceroy wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I put clothes on Morrigan in DAO
because she was dressed completely inappropriate for the time period. .

Inappropriate for the time period? I wasn't aware the game took place in the fully clothed puritan age.

As Morrigan her self put it, "you do realise I lived in a swamp right?"

Not to mention she's a mage.

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

[moilami]

GodWood wrote...

moilami wrote...
Wow! If that is in-game screenshot (and the mage available as a companion) I will get two copies of DA2!

Before you ask...



She's your sister.

No, my sister is blond.

[upsettingshorts]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

We're talking about medieval times. 

No we're not.

Thedas is not the real world.  The real world is not Thedas.

[sevalaricgirl]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I just wanted to add my five cents to this conversation: I have no problem with how any female dresses in Bioware games. I do not think it is stupid for females to show what their mother gave them (and this is coming from a female btw) or what nature/surgery might have given them, lol.

I don't think a Bioware character like Isabela wearing clothes like she does brings her down any. She is still a strong, capable woman in my opinion. It is unavoidable that our world is still, in general, dominated by men in terms of companies: whether it be Bioware or somewhere else, but I don't think most men who design characters go OUT of their way to subjugate women in the image they design. They are just thinking of what appeals to them and personally, when I write novels I like to think of what appeals to me as a female author in terms of my male characters.

To each their own, just enjoy the game and don't worry about clothes. The mods for DA:O made more revealing clothing than the Bioware staff ever did.

Okay somewhat agreed.  I write scifi novels and one of my characters dresses rather skimpily as it's the style of clothing on her planet but when she's working, she's dressed in a uniform just like everyone else on the starship and I write erotic novels.

[sevalaricgirl]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

We're talking about medieval times. 

No we're not.

Thedas is not the real world.  The real world is not Thedas.

Yes, we are.  Whether it's real or not, it is still based on medieval times.  That's like saying that Dead Space is not based on futuristic times or that that COD is based in it's time period.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:17 .

[Count Viceroy]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Our opinion on 'appropriate' differs then. I also don't think "medieval times" and whatever clothing standard that might imply has any sort of relevancy to a fictional fantasy game. In a world of elves, dwarves, and magic one would think clothing would be a non issue.

Oh well.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[sevalaricgirl]

Count Viceroy wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Our opinion on 'appropriate' differs then. I also don't think "medieval times" and whatever clothing standard that might imply has any sort of relevancy to a fictional fantasy game.

Oh well.

But then, I got hammered on this forum because I said that in DAO, I don't think it's appropriate to make Alistair marry Anora and was told by many that it's appropriate for the time period and to what happened in Thedas.  Can't have it both ways.  My answer was that it is a fantasy and was told that it is a fantasy set in Bioware's world and should consider what Thedas was like then.  Morrigan was the only woman in the entire game dressed like she was.  Not even the prostitues in the Pearl were dressed like that.

[rabidhanar]

Okay with all the magic, elves, dwarves and the like...I can safely say that this game is not based on medievel times.

So the characters use armor plating and there are kings and whatnot, this matters why?
For all we know the game is based on the Ancient Greeks...ever seen spartan armor (I will give you a hint, there really isn't any)?

Also even in medievel times, modesty was still subjective...The Nords for example wore very little in armament, as other races didn't even wear shirts and pants.

Hell, in every century there have been women who flaunt their stuff, do not take it against them, it was smart marketing....(Sorry feminists).

Modifié par rabidhanar, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:22 .

[moilami]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I put clothes on Morrigan in DAO
because she was dressed completely inappropriate for the time period. .

Inappropriate for the time period? I wasn't aware the game took place in the fully clothed puritan age.

As Morrigan her self put it, "you do realise I lived in a swamp right?"

Not to mention she's a mage.

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Morrigan doesn't give a McMuffin about your "medieval times" or requests what kind of clothes she wears, sorry.

- Hey, I think you show too much skin
- Me, why you say so?
- Well women can't really show skin they have other than face.
- Oh, why is that?
- Because god says so.
- How do you know?
- I just know.
- Your god and your "knowledge" of your god matters little to me, and I am very surprised you haven't understood that before.

[Morrigan disaproves -20]

* *

Ye can put yer "medieval times" to the proper poopy bin since DA is not a recreation of medieval europe but a fantasy world.

[Count Viceroy]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, we are.  Whether it's real or
not, it is still based on medieval times.  That's like saying that Dead
Space is not based on futuristic times or that that COD is based in it's
time period.

There's a difference between a futuristic or medieval themed setting and having it based on medieval times. The latter would imply that it would be idenctical to our medieval times rather than just taking inspiration from it.

With liberties taken everywhere else, up to and including magic and elves certain liberties with individual clothing is not a stretch. Pretty sure you'd find someone dressed like that or worse in "medieval times" as well. Appropriate is a matter of opinion after all.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:23 .

[Saibh]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Clearly, you've not seen new Flemeth.

In any case, Thedas is not Europe, same set of rules don't apply.

In medieval Europe, women didn't join the army in droves.

In medieval Europe, people didn't say "The waiting around part...is...awesome."

In medieval Europe, there are no swamp witches.

In any case, I hate her "I live in a swamp!" excuse for one reason--it's goddamn freezing. Unless she shapeshifts into the Wolf(wo)Man, you'd think she'd put on a jacket. Other than that, I like her style.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:28 .

[upsettingshorts]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Yes, we are.  Whether it's real or not, it is still based on medieval times.  That's like saying that Dead Space is not based on futuristic times or that that COD is based in it's time period.

No, what you're saying is like asserting that Star Wars takes place in Star Trek because they have spaceships.

The presence of swords, armor, and pre-gunpowder castles does not make it "medieval times."   It's fantasy.  That's the genre.

It is not a historical simulation, nor is it meant to appear as one. 

[uuuhcantthinkofaname]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I put clothes on Morrigan in DAO
because she was dressed completely inappropriate for the time period. .

Inappropriate for the time period? I wasn't aware the game took place in the fully clothed puritan age.

As Morrigan her self put it, "you do realise I lived in a swamp right?"

Not to mention she's a mage.

None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Morrigan was not part of the circle at all, and her Mother is a different character so why should she dress the same as her? Do you also dress the same as your Mother?

[moilami]

Saibh wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Clearly, you've not seen new Flemeth.

In any case, Thedas is not Europe, same set of rules don't apply.

In medieval Europe, women didn't join the army in droves.

In medieval Europe, people didn't say "The waiting around part...is...awesome."

In medieval Europe, there are no swamp witches.

In any case, I hate her "I live in a swamp!" excuse for one reason--it's goddamn freezing. Unless she shapeshifts into the Wolf(wo)Man, you'd think she'd put on a jacket. Other than that, I like her style.

Freezing? Do you know how winter looks like? There is snow and ice. In the swamps Morri and her momma lived there was not ice nor snow.

Morru hated circle mages and I would think there are tons of things she would rather do than to wear similar pyjamas as circle mages did. Morri also probably made her own clothes to be just like she wanted. Maybe she enjoyed wind caressing her boobies and chest?

[Saibh]

uuuhcantthinkofaname wrote...

Morrigan was not part of the circle at all, and her Mother is a different character so why should she dress the same as her? Do you also dress the same as your Mother?

Me and my muʻumuʻu are offended.

[tmp7704]

Saibh wrote...

In medieval Europe, there are no swamp witches.

To be fair you do have equivalents show up in the literature; Macbeth's witches come to mind, e.g.

(fiction too obv., but it shows that the concept wasn't completely alien until fantasy came into the picture. And that the idea comes from the beliefs and superstitions about these very medieval times)

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:39 .

[upsettingshorts]

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

[Saibh]

moilami wrote...

Saibh wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Absolutely inappropriate.  We're talking about medieval times.  Showing cleavage yes, but not that much.  None of the mages in the circle were dressed like Morrigan and neither was her mother who also lived in the swamp.

Clearly, you've not seen new Flemeth.

In any case, Thedas is not Europe, same set of rules don't apply.

In medieval Europe, women didn't join the army in droves.

In medieval Europe, people didn't say "The waiting around part...is...awesome."

In medieval Europe, there are no swamp witches.

In any case, I hate her "I live in a swamp!" excuse for one reason--it's goddamn freezing. Unless she shapeshifts into the Wolf(wo)Man, you'd think she'd put on a jacket. Other than that, I like her style.

Freezing? Do you know how winter looks like? There is snow and ice. In the swamps Morri and her momma lived there was not ice nor snow.

Morru hated circle mages and I would think there are tons of things she would rather do than to wear similar pyjamas as circle mages did. Morri also probably made her own clothes to be just like she wanted. Maybe she enjoyed wind caressing her boobies and chest?

So long as you don't live at the poles, even the coldest places on Earth aren't always covered in snow.

Southern Ferelden is canonically very cold.

Play RtO.