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[Mlaar]

I understand where the OP is comming from but lets face it sex sells and it does it so well, Ask the designers which main audiance the marketing department is targetting for such games and it will be late teens to early 30's so skimpy outfits tends to be a must.

I dont mind it in the slightest myself since im playing the game for fun and escape reality for a couple of hours and having grown up reading conan and many other fantasy novels I fully expect busty athletically toned beautiful slave girls umm I mean heroines beside me

[Count Viceroy]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

Yes, she might have been freezing a bit, but you always have to pay a price to look good. Though I suspect the ability to turn into any number of furry creatures at will might have something to do with her lack of clothing.

Euphemism not intended.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:42 .

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

To be fair you do have equivalents show up in the literature; Macbeth's witches come to mind, e.g.

(fiction too obv., but it shows that the concept wasn't completely alien until fantasy came into the picture. And that the idea comes from the beliefs and superstitions about these very medieval times)

Sure--dragons have precedent too.

But I can safely say that they were not, in fact, present in medieval Europe. Fiction back then had women warriors, too.

[moilami]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

[Matchy Pointy]

moilami wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

And here up in cold Scandinavia, the winters can be cold, but that don't mean that summer aren't really, really warm as well, much to my displeasure, I prefer it to not be too hot.

[moilami]

Mlaar wrote...

I understand where the OP is comming from but lets face it sex sells and it does it so well, Ask the designers which 

Good posting but exposed skin != sex.

[moilami]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

moilami wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

And here up in cold Scandinavia, the winters can be cold, but that don't mean that summer aren't really, really warm as well, much to my displeasure, I prefer it to not be too hot.

Aye, that is my preference too even though I am unbothered of +35 Celcius. (From Scandinavia too.)

[crimzontearz]

ok let's try to attack this under a different point of view.

just because an attempt at fanservice fails that does not make it any less fanservice. I suspect on her own Jack was supposed to be fanservice but the chosen design came back and bit the devs in the rump (as hundreds of people either recoiled or went "meh"). But no one can say that miss nipple belt was not fanservice (yes I do like jack, even tho I was diappointed by her post romance lines).
Jacob and Thane may have failed at "servicing" the fans right (well....the ginormousness of the squee powered Thane thread before release would say otherwise) but they were fanservice


speaking of Fanservice......would girls consider Tusk from killer instinct fanservice? is THAT what it takes?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:11 .

[Matchy Pointy]

moilami wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

moilami wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

And here up in cold Scandinavia, the winters can be cold, but that don't mean that summer aren't really, really warm as well, much to my displeasure, I prefer it to not be too hot.

Aye, that is my preference too even though I am unbothered of +35 Celcius. (From Scandinavia too.)

No warmer then +25 for me thanks

[Count Viceroy]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

No warmer then +25 for me thanks

I'd rather have 16 degrees all year around kthanks.

[moilami]

Matchy Pointy wrote...

moilami wrote...

Matchy Pointy wrote...

moilami wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Look at the map of Thedas. The swamp is near the frozen south. It isn't snowing, no, but it's probably very cold.

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

And here up in cold Scandinavia, the winters can be cold, but that don't mean that summer aren't really, really warm as well, much to my displeasure, I prefer it to not be too hot.

Aye, that is my preference too even though I am unbothered of +35 Celcius. (From Scandinavia too.)

No warmer then +25 for me thanks

I'd say +20 is fine.

(A little bit hot but can be countered by wearing not much clothes.)

Modifié par moilami, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:20 .

[Saibh]

crimzontearz wrote...

ok let's try to attack this under a different point of view.

just because an attempt at fanservice fails that does not make it any less fanservice. I suspect on her own Jack was supposed to be fanservice but the chosen design came back and bit the devs in the rump (as hundreds of people either recoiled or went "meh"). But no one can say that miss nipple belt was not fanservice (yes I do like jack, even tho I was diappointed by her post romance lines).
Jacob and Thane may have failed at "servicing" the fans right (well....the ginormousness of the squee powered Thane thread before release would say otherwise) but they were fanservice

I wouldn't say Thane isn't supposed to be fanservice, even if some girls don't like him. However, is there any way to look at Isabela, Jack, Samara, and Miranda and not see the blatant fanservice? Morrigan, if you don't change her outfit, too. 

There is fanservice for women, but it isn't equal. I suppose the issue here is that many men are uncomfortable with male fanservice, and many women don't perceive "his outfit completely covers his body--but look how wide his shoulders are!" as fanservice.

moilami wrote...

So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

Because it's established as being cold (Fergus, HN Origin), and it's about to snow. Again, see RtO.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:17 .

[Count Viceroy]

Saibh wrote...
There is fanservice for women, but it isn't equal. I suppose the issue here is that many men are uncomfortable with male fanservice, and many women don't perceive "his outfit completely covers his body--but look how wide his shoulders are!" as fanservice.

Men are shallow(er).

There we go.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:21 .

[AlexXIV]

Well she is a witch and probably knew the game is played by males mostly. So her outfit had a purpose, just not the one to keep her warm. After all it plays into her cards that it gets cold in her tent sometimes.

[tmp7704]

Saibh wrote...

But I can safely say that they were not, in fact, present in medieval Europe.

Hmm i wouldn't go as far, really. That is, not to say these who would be called "witches" had any sort of magical power of course, but the concept of an (old) woman dabbling in "medicine" and what we (or people of the times) consider "witchcraft", and living in the wilds as a result of it to avoid persecution from local lord and/or church? Pretty sure that was present.

If i'm not mistaken the context is what sort of outfit such person would wear, not whether they could do any actual magic?

Modifié par tmp7704, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:26 .

[Reaverwind]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Saibh wrote...
There is fanservice for women, but it isn't equal. I suppose the issue here is that many men are uncomfortable with male fanservice, and many women don't perceive "his outfit completely covers his body--but look how wide his shoulders are!" as fanservice.

Men are shallow(er).

There we go.

Obviously, you haven't witnessed a teachers' convention where there's striptease entertainment.

[crimzontearz]

it is not equal, my dear Saibh, because males are pretty much visual creatures, therefore offering fanservice to them is a lot "simpler" in this medium than it is to properly offer it to a female (I already spoken about this in another thread). If offering fanservice to a girl was as simple as offering it to a guy then all the girls would be clamoring for an Arishock LI....



of course I'm generalizing

[Xewaka]

crimzontearz wrote...

it is not equal, my dear Saibh, because males are pretty much visual creatures, therefore offering fanservice to them is a lot "simpler" in this medium than it is to properly offer it to a female (I already spoken about this in another thread). If offering fanservice to a girl was as simple as offering it to a guy then all the girls would be clamoring for an Arishock LI....

of course I'm generalizing

They aren't? Well, considering the general tide of this forum, colour me surprised.
Curiously enough, the Arishok is another of the characters whose visual design I can't stand from a combat perspective. Get a damn chestplate, you horned moron!

Modifié par Xewaka, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:35 .

[moilami]

Saibh wrote...

There is fanservice for women, but it isn't equal. I suppose the issue here is that many men are uncomfortable with male fanservice, and many women don't perceive "his outfit completely covers his body--but look how wide his shoulders are!" as fanservice.

Lol, have you ever hear anyone saying if you want something, then start working for it. I can't believe this is possible that women begin to complain they don't have similar fanservices as men do xD Or well, maybe I can, some women just think equality means everything men do for themselves they should do for women too

moilami wrote...
So? If there is winter and summer and in the winter plenty of snow, then in game there was summer and there can be 30 Celsius. If there was very cold those dudes wearing metal armour would have freezen! Yet I see them walking in metal armour. Or worse, they would had sweaten and after that freezen. Much worse.

Also if you live in countries where there can be cold winters, ye aint so emo and sensitive for cold weather.

Saibh wrote...
Because it's established as being cold (Fergus, HN Origin), and it's about to snow. Again, see RtO.

If a spoiled  princess says "eeek how cold" it doesn't mean Morrigan would say the same. I however see very green nature in the swampsand in Ostagar, and unless principles of  nature there are very different, it aint gonna
snow very soon unless some very extra-ordinary weather phenomenon is
coming. + Morri can shapeshift into furrie as someone mentioned if she become cold.

Leliana and Morri chatted in game and Leliana commented Morri's clothing as showing skin in the right way or something. Morri is plotting getting a kid with the warden, so it is in Morri's best interests to get attention from Warden. Showing some sideboob arguably helps in that.

[crimzontearz]

Xewaka wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...




it is not equal, my dear Saibh, because males are pretty much visual creatures, therefore offering fanservice to them is a lot "simpler" in this medium than it is to properly offer it to a female (I already spoken about this in another thread). If offering fanservice to a girl was as simple as offering it to a guy then all the girls would be clamoring for an Arishock LI....





of course I'm generalizing

They aren't? Well, considering the general tide of this forum, colour me surprised.


Curiously enough, the Arishok is another of the characters whose visual design I can't stand from a combat perspective. Get a damn chestplate, you horned moron!

for a moment there I though you wrote "you horny morons"....I lold




yeah, I dislike it too...it is retconny without aan explanation to support it and honestly I can understand Morrigan wearing skimpy clothes and getting away with it thanks to, you know, being able to turn her flesh into living rock...but what is the qunari's excuse?

[Xewaka]

crimzontearz wrote...
yeah, I dislike it too...it is retconny without aan explanation to support it and honestly I can understand Morrigan wearing skimpy clothes and getting away with it thanks to, you know, being able to turn her flesh into living rock...but what is the qunari's excuse?

David Gaider, earlier on this thread, wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...
Except on the Qunari.  Going from "covered from head to toe in overlapping plates" to "no shirt and capri pants" is a big difference.  But, hey, they're all ripped so I guess wanting to show off comes naturally or something.

Could be that we just wanted to show off their rippling muscles, sure. Or there could also be an in-game reason why they're not dressed in armor. Certainly we've never said that the qunari don't dress in actual armor ever.

I expect the in-game reason is a good one. Because it has a lot to explain.

[moilami]

yeah, I dislike it too...it is retconny without aan explanation to support it and honestly I can understand Morrigan wearing skimpy clothes and getting away with it thanks to, you know, being able to turn her flesh into living rock...but what is the qunari's excuse?

What? Morri doesn't have stone skin spell in the beginning. Wynne have.

What I don't understand is from where people get this "omg there is so cold winter is coming" thing? Some delusional posh said so? I see cold environment only high in the mountains where cult of Andraste is.

Or is that "omg there is cold" just pulled out of hat in a sucky effort to get some grounds to whine of Morri's clothing?

[tmp7704]

Xewaka wrote...

I expect the in-game reason is a good one. Because it has a lot to explain.

Could be the same reason some of the Celts allegedly did it.

[Count Viceroy]

tmp7704 wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

I expect the in-game reason is a good one. Because it has a lot to explain.

Could be the same reason some of the Celts allegedly did it.

To impress the ladies for sure.

Reminds me of a robot chicken scetch, where Ron Jeremy discards his lance and uses his dong in a tourney

[Saibh]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Saibh wrote...
There is fanservice for women, but it isn't equal. I suppose the issue here is that many men are uncomfortable with male fanservice, and many women don't perceive "his outfit completely covers his body--but look how wide his shoulders are!" as fanservice.

Men are shallow(er).

There we go.

Perhaps not. Men just are catered to their shallowness, and women are not.