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[Saibh]

moilami wrote...

If a spoiled  princess says "eeek how cold" it doesn't mean Morrigan would say the same. I however see very green nature in the swampsand in Ostagar, and unless principles of  nature there are very different, it aint gonna
snow very soon unless some very extra-ordinary weather phenomenon is
coming. + Morri can shapeshift into furrie as someone mentioned if she become cold.

I honestly think that you don't live anywhere cold.

You know, the snow here melted just a bit a few days ago, because we had a warmth spell. The grass was pretty green, still.

In fall, the grass is also, again, pretty green. It doesn't turn icky and brown until months and months of snow-covered ground.

Just before winter, there can be plenty of green.

And, again, play RtO.

Fergus says it's cold in the south, then it's cold. People who live in colder climates have different perceptions of what is cold, but I imagine it's not a tropical jungle in Highever, so the difference can't be that great.

Leliana and Morri chatted in game and Leliana commented Morri's clothing as showing skin in the right way or something. Morri is plotting getting a kid with the warden, so it is in Morri's best interests to get attention from Warden. Showing some sideboob arguably helps in that.

And if the Warden is female? Morrigan hates Alistair, and never bothers to attract him. So...where'd that logic go?

[Mlaar]

moilami wrote...

Mlaar wrote...

I understand where the OP is comming from but lets face it sex sells and it does it so well, Ask the designers which 

Good posting but exposed skin != sex.

ahh im showing my age here a little it seems, I can still vaguely remember the days when having a glimpse of a ladies thigh was considered raunchy and would get many a man hot under the collar. though these days its perfectly normally to see exposed skin its still classed as sex in the marketting industry especially in connection with Fantasy games they show much flesh whilst wearing provocative outfits.
Personally as I said im all for it as I believe its healthy since it stimulates a young mans mind and can lead to some intresting bedside roleplay

[Addai]

moilami wrote...
What I don't understand is from where people get this "omg there is so cold winter is coming" thing? Some delusional posh said so? I see cold environment only high in the mountains where cult of Andraste is.

Or is that "omg there is cold" just pulled out of hat in a sucky effort to get some grounds to whine of Morri's clothing?

Have you read the novels?  Ferelden is supposed to be cold, and the Korcari Wilds one of the colder places, since weather is sort of inverted (it's colder the further south you go).

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...
Have you read the novels?  Ferelden is supposed to be cold, and the Korcari Wilds one of the colder places, since weather is sort of inverted (it's colder the further south you go).

It isn't inverted... they're just in the Southern Hemisphere of the world. Think Chile or Argentina.

[Count Viceroy]

^ Not so much inverted, just located south of the equator.

beaten to it.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[crimzontearz]

yeah....I am eagerly waiting for that ingame explanation...let's hope it's better than the heatsinks one or the breathers and fetishwear in vacuum one or the non-existing-one about armor/shields blocking biotic attacks.....



oh and yes morrigan did not have stone armor of the bat but for god's sake she can turn at will in a chitinic armored spider or a giant bear....armored clothes kinda become extra at that point. Still you get my point

[Addai]

In Exile wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Have you read the novels?  Ferelden is supposed to be cold, and the Korcari Wilds one of the colder places, since weather is sort of inverted (it's colder the further south you go).

It isn't inverted... they're just in the Southern Hemisphere of the world. Think Chile or Argentina.

*sigh*  Pedantry.  lol  I mean inverted psychologically, in that we think of south being warm and north being cold.  Great White North and all that jazz.

[Weevilbits]

crimzontearz wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Curiously enough, the Arishok is another of the characters whose visual design I can't stand from a combat perspective. Get a damn chestplate, you horned moron!

for a moment there I though you wrote "you horny morons"....I lold





yeah, I dislike it too...it is retconny without aan explanation to support it and honestly I can understand Morrigan wearing skimpy clothes and getting away with it thanks to, you know, being able to turn her flesh into living rock...but what is the qunari's excuse?

Odds are the Qunari just attacked Kirkwall by sea.  If you are the baddest living warrior from a culture designed largely around producing said warriors, you might trust to your inherent badness to keep sharp pieces of metal out of your chest.  And if that fails, at least you fell in combat as befits a warrior of your badditude.  If your ship gets sunk on the way in, no amount of badness is going to keep you from sinking like a stone if you've got a cast-iron stove retrofitted to your chest.  There's no space in Qunari Valhalla for a warrior who fell in combat vs. water.

Note that there's a pretty obvious similar explanation for people who wonder why someone who makes their living as a pirate might be reluctant to armor up.

[ScotGaymer]

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

No one who lived or lives in a UK like environment would ever wear what Morrigan wears (or an analogue of it) except in the warmer summer months; and given that the impression the game gives is that the Battle of Ostagar takes place late Autumn (an assumption based on RTO taking place in winter and the impression that the Origins part of the game gives). Morrigan's skimpy robes make no sense given the climate and purported time of year, other than the so called sexy female (I dont find her sexy actually; Leliana has more sex appeal as far as I am concerned) having an excuse to show a bit of side boob.
Why do you all think UK (and as a result western) fashions were so covering for so many years, layers and layer from top to toe? It started as a practical fashion, then it became a tradition, then it became a function of religion; till finally someone said "Enough of that!"

There is perhaps some evidence to support the existance of naked barbarian celts in middle Europe (a much warmer clime); but this is suspect because Roman historians were notorious for outright lying in favour of portraying Rome as the pinnacle of civilization and everyone else as barbarous.

I dont object to sexy outfits when they make sense in the context of whatever situation the character is in; I only object to it when it doesnt make sense.
Case in point that I dont mind Isabela's new look.

EDIT:
I just dont like it when the sexy is reduced for female characters and male gamers to mere fanservice; and for the other side of the coin for male characters fanservice doesnt really apply to them - at least not in the same sense we mean for female characters.
For male characters it tends to be The Rule of Cool that developers use; for example the new Qunari look. The Arishok isnt about sexy - its about cool. Thats the reason the Qunari were changed so they looked cooler and more unique.

In case u cant tell I hate The Rule of Cool as much as I hate FanService.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:30 .

[moilami]

Saibh wrote...

moilami wrote...

If a spoiled  princess says "eeek how cold" it doesn't mean Morrigan would say the same. I however see very green nature in the swampsand in Ostagar, and unless principles of  nature there are very different, it aint gonna
snow very soon unless some very extra-ordinary weather phenomenon is
coming. + Morri can shapeshift into furrie as someone mentioned if she become cold.

I honestly think that you don't live anywhere cold.

You know, the snow here melted just a bit a few days ago, because we had a warmth spell. The grass was pretty green, still.

In fall, the grass is also, again, pretty green. It doesn't turn icky and brown until months and months of snow-covered ground.

Just before winter, there can be plenty of green.

If a winter is coming, leaves on the trees change colour and finally drop on the ground. Was that the case in Ostagar?

You don't honestly think that I live anywhere cold? Hahahahaha, sorry missy, but if I take that as a hint of your ability to draw conclusions, then....hmm. I understand very much what you have written.

Saibh wrote...
And, again, play RtO.

Why?

Saibh wrote...

Fergus says it's cold in the south, then it's cold. People who live in colder climates have different perceptions of what is cold, but I imagine it's not a tropical jungle in Highever, so the difference can't be that great.

One Spanish girl visited me for two weeks and she was terrified how cold it is in Finland. I heard Spain ain't a tropical jungle. Or do you want I tell how I have had no troubles to smile when I have picked exhange students around the world from railway station as I have seen what kind of clothes they wear?

Saibh wrote...

moilami wrote...

Leliana and Morri chatted in game and Leliana commented Morri's clothing as showing skin in the right way or something. Morri is plotting getting a kid with the warden, so it is in Morri's best interests to get attention from Warden. Showing some sideboob arguably helps in that.

And if the Warden is female? Morrigan hates Alistair, and never bothers to attract him. So...where'd that logic go?

It did not go anywhere. What we are missing is your logic  why Morri doesn't wear enough clothes.

(Morri is so desperate to get tainted kid she is ready to bed any grey warden. For Morri's pride it would suit well to show only some sideboob to Alistair while waiting for warden she can seduce. And since Ali has never bed anyone, I am quite sure he would be very interested to see some, even if he would deny it.)

Modifié par moilami, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:34 .

[Saibh]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

No one who lived or lives in a UK like environment would ever wear what Morrigan wears (or an analogue of it) except in the warmer summer months; and given that the impression the game gives is that the Battle of Ostagar takes place late Autumn (an assumption based on RTO taking place in winter and the impression that the Origins part of the game gives).

I agree that where it's cold, when it's cold, no one wears throws on a scarf and some feathers and calls it a day. Also, Thedas is not at a UK equivalent on the map. It's below the southern equator, and the sea is on the east coast (for once).

[upsettingshorts]

moilami wrote...

Saibh wrote...
And, again, play RtO.

Why?

Becaust Ostagar is covered in snow?

[Addai]

Saibh wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

I skimmed your link but it makes no mention of "naked Celts" that I can see.  It says normal soldiers wore their regular clothing and knights wore the best armor they could afford, leather or metal.  Did I miss something?

[Saibh]

moilami wrote...

If a winter is coming, leaves on the trees change colour and finally drop on the ground. Was that the case in Ostagar?

I only remember seeing pine trees.



But, you're right, why ever would there be green when it's cold out?

Why?

Because Ostagar has been covered in snow.

It did not go anywhere. What we are missing is your logic  why Morri doesn't wear enough clothes.

(Morri is so desperate to get tainted kid she is ready to bed any grey warden. For Morri's pride it would suit well to show only some sideboob to Alistair while waiting for warden she can seduce. And since Ali has never bed anyone, I am quite sure he would be very interested to see some, even if he would deny it.)

Then maybe she should try to seduce Alistair instead of being a complete **** to him, huh? 

I agree to dresses seductively on purpose, but all she wears is a little scarf over her chest. Tell me, in Finland, is that how you like to go out during winter?

This isn't even that big of an issue, but you seem hell bent on saying that it's not cold, or if it is cold, she doesn't find it cold.

Anyone would find it cold when all they put on is a scarf.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:48 .

[Addai]

moilami wrote...
(Morri is so desperate to get tainted kid she is ready to bed any grey warden. For Morri's pride it would suit well to show only some sideboob to Alistair while waiting for warden she can seduce. And since Ali has never bed anyone, I am quite sure he would be very interested to see some, even if he would deny it.)

lolwut?  Morrigan is not even expecting to be sent with the Wardens until Flemeth springs it on her.

[Saibh]

Addai67 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

I skimmed your link but it makes no mention of "naked Celts" that I can see.  It says normal soldiers wore their regular clothing and knights wore the best armor they could afford, leather or metal.  Did I miss something?

"For example, historians recorded that the Gaesates fought naked in the battles in the Po valley in Italy where the Cisalpine Celts opposed the Romans. Most notably these warbands seem to have consisted mostly or
even exclusively of infantry."

Gaesates = Gauls = Celts. I'm...pretty sure. European history isn't my thing.

Modifié par Saibh, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:44 .

[ENolan]

Saibh wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

I skimmed your link but it makes no mention of "naked Celts" that I can see.  It says normal soldiers wore their regular clothing and knights wore the best armor they could afford, leather or metal.  Did I miss something?

"For example, historians recorded that the Gaesates fought naked in the battles in the Po valley in Italy where the Cisalpine Celts opposed the Romans. Most notably these warbands seem to have consisted mostly or
even exclusively of infantry."

Gaesates = Gauls = Celts. I'm...pretty sure. European history isn't my thing.

Which is why I prefer Chinese or Japanese history. How can't anyone get into the Sengoku Era nowadays? [Looks at his one-eyed avatar]

[ScotGaymer]

Saibh wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

No one who lived or lives in a UK like environment would ever wear what Morrigan wears (or an analogue of it) except in the warmer summer months; and given that the impression the game gives is that the Battle of Ostagar takes place late Autumn (an assumption based on RTO taking place in winter and the impression that the Origins part of the game gives).

I agree that where it's cold, when it's cold, no one wears throws on a scarf and some feathers and calls it a day. Also, Thedas is not at a UK equivalent on the map. It's below the southern equator, and the sea is on the east coast (for once).

And?

You havent actually refuted what I said and I dont see the point in your post.

Ferelden may be in the southern hemisphere does not preclude the possibility that its climate is UK like - its climate IS UK like. And as you go south from Ferelden into Korcari and then into the Chasind territories the more and more Scotland/Iceland/Norwegian like the climate gets until you hit the antarctic circle of Thedas.

Perhaps I havent been very clear - I was talking about the naked celt myth in the more modern sense; ie the Kilted Scots and Irish etc, which does not exist. The Scots do not, have not, and never will cut about mostly naked except as I said in the summer months if it happens to be unseasonably warm.
If you use the naked celt arguement (which is very debatable given the well documented proclivity of Roman historians to outright lie to portray Rome as glorious and civilized) to justify Morrigans' outfit then the analogue would be the Celts of Scotland and Ireland, not the Celts of South England, North France, and middle Europe.
While middle european celts may or may not have went naked in battle, it is not these celtic peoples we should be looking at as they come from a much warmer climate like that of Orlais and the Free marches.

That was my point.

[Master Shiori]

It's also her intention to sleep with a Warden, not necessarily the PC or Alistair. David Gaider said that Morrigan didn't expect the final battle with the Archdemon to happen so quickly. She thought the Wardens from Orlais would have time to arrive so she could choose one of them for the ritual and get it done with no fuss.

The only time when she preffers someone specific is if she's in a romance with the Warden, as she clearly says.



So no, she never intended to seduce Alistair, nor would she ever sleep with him if she had an alternative.

[The Elder King]

Saibh wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

What? No. There are references in Commentarii de Bello Gallico, The Histories, and other various accounts. If it was a fabrication, it's an old and well documented one.

I skimmed your link but it makes no mention of "naked Celts" that I can see.  It says normal soldiers wore their regular clothing and knights wore the best armor they could afford, leather or metal.  Did I miss something?

"For example, historians recorded that the Gaesates fought naked in the battles in the Po valley in Italy where the Cisalpine Celts opposed the Romans. Most notably these warbands seem to have consisted mostly or
even exclusively of infantry."

Gaesates = Gauls = Celts. I'm...pretty sure. European history isn't my thing.

Yes, Gauls were some type of Celts. Howewer, as someone said, Romans used to write in their history that the other civilizations were inferior, and incivilized (only exception were the Greeks, but they called them too feminine
) In the whole Roman history there is only one population that they didn't criticize: the Sanniti. The Romans called them only "warriors"

[moilami]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

As a Scotsman I can categorically state that the whole Naked Celt thing is a myth; a near-modern day invention by Anglophone western society to portray celts and celtic peoples (Scots, Irish, Welsh) as barbarians and inferior.

No one who lived or lives in a UK like environment would ever wear what Morrigan wears (or an analogue of it) except in the warmer summer months; and given that the impression the game gives is that the Battle of Ostagar takes place late Autumn (an assumption based on RTO taking place in winter and the impression that the Origins part of the game gives).

Then the winter can't be said to be cold there. People walking in metal armour no probs. Imagine how it would be wear only a pyjama under metal armour.

I see no people in DA wearing clothes giving any hint of incoming cold winter or current cold weather whatsoever. Consider that and tell why Morrigan should have to make an exception?

And UK is not a cold country (LOL). Northern Russia and (Northern) Scandinavia are cold.

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Morrigan's skimpy robes make no sense given the climate and purported time of year, other than the so called sexy female (I dont find her sexy actually; Leliana has more sex appeal as far as I am concerned) having an excuse to show a bit of side boob.

I see Russian women and Scandinavians walking in miniskirts (with long
women type socks) during the cold winter, not to speak of spring and
autumn. Morri's choise is to show sideboob instead of legs.

Besides It is only you and other "believers" that say there is insanely cold winter coming. There is no objective evidence for that claim.

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Why do you all think UK (and as a result western) fashions were so covering for so many years, layers and layer from top to toe? It started as a practical fashion, then it became a tradition, then it became a function of religion; till finally someone said "Enough of that!"

Heroes in fantasy game are not supposed to wear historically correct stereotypical clothing. Maybe none never stated Maker wants women hide everything except face or preferably just wear burkha.

[Count Viceroy]

Addai67 wrote...

moilami wrote...
(Morri is so desperate to get tainted kid she is ready to bed any grey warden. For Morri's pride it would suit well to show only some sideboob to Alistair while waiting for warden she can seduce. And since Ali has never bed anyone, I am quite sure he would be very interested to see some, even if he would deny it.)

lolwut?  Morrigan is not even expecting to be sent with the Wardens until Flemeth springs it on her.

That was orchestrated before hand. Morrigan says later in the keep that the reason she was sent with the warden was the for the old gods Soul. Because she knew about the plan and because here was no time for Flemeth to tell her when the warden was awake, she must have been told in advance that she would be joining them.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:02 .

[crimzontearz]

Weevilbits wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Curiously enough, the Arishok is another of the characters whose visual design I can't stand from a combat perspective. Get a damn chestplate, you horned moron!

for a moment there I though you wrote "you horny morons"....I lold
yeah, I dislike it too...it is retconny without aan explanation to support it and honestly I can understand Morrigan wearing skimpy clothes and getting away with it thanks to, you know, being able to turn her flesh into living rock...but what is the qunari's excuse?

Odds are the Qunari just attacked Kirkwall by sea.  If you are the baddest living warrior from a culture designed largely around producing said warriors, you might trust to your inherent badness to keep sharp pieces of metal out of your chest.  And if that fails, at least you fell in combat as befits a warrior of your badditude.  If your ship gets sunk on the way in, no amount of badness is going to keep you from sinking like a stone if you've got a cast-iron stove retrofitted to your chest.  There's no space in Qunari Valhalla for a warrior who fell in combat vs. water.

Note that there's a pretty obvious similar explanation for people who wonder why someone who makes their living as a pirate might be reluctant to armor up.

Qunari are not just "warriors" they are soldier. A soldier is not going to get off a ship without proper equipment for a land combat situation...you telling me those Qunari could NOT don armor a few minutes before gettinf off the ships while having been in light attire the entire trip? come on!

go tell a marine "hey, you are badass, dismount the amphibian bare chested and go into combat that way!" ....see how that one flies

if they said, tho, those Qunari are a suicide squad I'd be ok with it...not really enthralled but at least ok.

[ScotGaymer]

moilami wrote...

And UK is not a cold country (LOL). Northern Russia and (Northern) Scandinavia are cold.

Ya know if you had been in front of me just then I would have slapped you for that bit of casual racism and ignorance.

The United Kingdom does not just Equal England; England is a fairly temperate country; but guess what? the UK includes a country called Scotland and Scotland is on the same latitude as MOSCOW in, where?, NORTH RUSSIA.
Therefore IT IS COLD!

Ferelden is meant to be analgalous to England and the other parts of the UK as you travel south; if you take this to be true then it is safe to assume that the Korcari wilds (and the Chasind lands) is anagalous to Scotland therefore these areas ARE COLD.

And let me just let me say that there are many indications that Ferelden is approaching winter around mid game time; including the RTO DLC. So unless you are actu\\\\ally willing to read and listen to what people opposing you are saying instead of just whitewashing it because it isnt what you think then you should just probably just stop typing.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:05 .

[moilami]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

moilami wrote...

Saibh wrote...
And, again, play RtO.

Why?

Becaust Ostagar is covered in snow?

So what?

When Morri meets PC there is no winter. There is no signs of winter coming, so there is not even fall. After the fight in Ostagar there is nothing to see about winter.

And I have playet RtO. Was third DLC I played. Or fourth.