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[KBomb]

Addai67 wrote...

KBomb wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...


Well she was a witch. What exactly is supposed to make sense about this type of person? That they are like normal people certainly not.

Indeed. She also seems to show a slight disdain for anything resembling “human” culture or tradition. I think it would be difficult to place her into any context. Same could be said about Isabela, since we know so little of her other than the ten minutes in Origins and the glimpses we see of her in DA2 clips. Perhaps once people do know her personality, they won’t be able to imagine her in anything other than her current attire.

Pretty sure I'll always be able to imagine that she could have been designed with more stylish clothing and a curvy figure that's still in the range of normal.  Naturally it's to each her own, but I hate that outfit.  It's not just the gazongas of doom or the panty shots, tasteless as they are.   I think it's an ugly mishmash of pirate stereotype and totally impractical.  That gold around her neck?  I can't stand to wear large earrings because they weigh so much.  She'd have permanent pain both from that and from unsupported flop.  Those boobs should be sagging to her knees.

Not to go all feminist, cuz I'm really not, but it just gets me that men like things that are actually painful to wear.  High heels being another example.

One of my dearest friends weighs about 120lbs and she has very large breasts, if I hadn’t been her friend since grade school, I would wonder if they were in fact real. She shows off her cleavage quite a lot, sometimes in tasteful ways, sometimes not and while sometimes it causes me to have an eye roll, it doesn’t affect me in any way beyond that.
I am sure some people would find her clothing distasteful, I certainly wouldn’t wear it, but that is the sweet spot: I don’t have to and neither does my character. Isabela is meant to be an individual. She isn’t meant to be an extension of my character.
And I wear heels nearly everyday. I’m only about 5’2, and I admit, I wear them for height and yes, they are sometimes painful. I’m vain in that aspect. As I am sure, as Isabel, were she real--have the same impractical vainness that plagues us everyday non-super hero females.

[upsettingshorts]

I'd like to see something of a casual-action split myself. Maybe lock in the casual (it's what the character wants to wear) and the action equipment is either totally up to the player, or a selection of different options that fit different tactics.

But I have no idea what that would cost in terms of resources. It'd just be my personal ideal I think. It allows the NPCs to retain that aspect of their identity - something I do think is pretty valuable - but still gives the player some amount of control as well.

Addai67 wrote...

Not to go all feminist, cuz I'm really not, but it just gets me that men like things that are actually painful to wear.  High heels being another example.

Tuxedos sure as hell aren't comfortable.  But really that's the only counter I've got.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:04 .

[Count Viceroy]

Addai67 wrote...


Not to go all feminist, cuz I'm really not, but it just gets me that men like things that are actually painful to wear.  High heels being another example.

I thought we liked them cause you liked them, not the other way around? It's usually not the men who go crazy about shoes is it? 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:06 .

[upsettingshorts]

Count Viceroy wrote...

I thought we liked them cause you liked them, not the other way around? It's usually not the men who crazy about shoes is it? 

Heels change the woman's posture.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:06 .

[Count Viceroy]

It's a conspiracy I tell you, it's intended to keep women on their knees, litterally, by destroying their feet and spine.

[KBomb]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

I thought we liked them cause you liked them, not the other way around? It's usually not the men who crazy about shoes is it? 

Heels change the woman's posture.

My posture is just fine!

[Sjofn]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd like to see something of a casual-action split myself. Maybe lock in the casual (it's what the character wants to wear) and the action equipment is either totally up to the player, or a selection of different options that fit different tactics.

But I have no idea what that would cost in terms of resources. It'd just be my personal ideal I think. It allows the NPCs to retain that aspect of their identity - something I do think is pretty valuable - but still gives the player some amount of control as well.

That would be a pretty nice compromise, yeah, but like you said, it could be the most gigantic pain in the butt imaginable to actually do.

That's pretty much my issue with no pants, the fact that it's cool for hanging out but not so much for kicking ass. You're not going really want to fight in a short dress with no boob support on purpose. You just aren't. Even if you are the most free-spirited young lady in Thedas. I mean dang, I played soccer once in a regular bra instead of a sports bra, and THAT was a trying experience. 

[Maria Caliban]

Addai67 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

She doesn't feel the cold the way humans do. She has a conversation about it with Alistair. It probably has something to do with her linage.

Do you have that text handy?  I can't recall anything like that and don't see it in the Wiki.

And then he says, "I'm sure there are a great number of things you don't feel..." or something.

I'll try to find it for you when i get home.

[Addai]

KBomb wrote...
One of my dearest friends weighs about 120lbs and she has very large breasts, if I hadn’t been her friend since grade school, I would wonder if they were in fact real. She shows off her cleavage quite a lot, sometimes in tasteful ways, sometimes not and while sometimes it causes me to have an eye roll, it doesn’t affect me in any way beyond that.

This woman engages in vigorous physical activity with them hanging loose?

[ScotGaymer]

Saibh wrote...

moilami wrote...

In my next playthrough l shall RP Morri wear this



It is so cold in Ostagar! People say so in BioWare forums!

+ Morri wont get her hands on the staff which radiates cold because Morri's hands would freeze!

And Hyperbolic Jackass of the Year goes to...

(Seriously, you took things way out of proportion and were an arrogant jerk about it.)

I wouldnt even bother Saibh; he doesnt want to see or discuss our point and doesnt want to admit he could possibly be wrong. Its the height of ignorance.

Just ignore him.

Maria Caliban wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

She doesn't feel the cold the way humans do. She has a conversation about it with Alistair. It probably has something to do with her linage.

Do you have that text handy?  I can't recall anything like that and don't see it in the Wiki.

And then he says, "I'm sure there are a great number of things you don't feel..." or something.

I'll try to find it for you when i get home.

I have played many runthrus of DAO and I really dont recall that banter.

Thats not to say that it isnt there; i take you at your word on that one. If it is there and youre remembering right then I would imagine this may well be a sensible "reason" for her robe to be inappropriate.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:21 .

[Addai]

Maria Caliban wrote...
And then he says, "I'm sure there are a great number of things you don't feel..." or something.

I'll try to find it for you when i get home.

I'm interested, because it sounds like a banter I've never heard before and I almost always have Morri and Alistair in my party. 

[moilami]

KBomb wrote...


One of my dearest friends weighs about 120lbs and she has very large breasts, if I hadn’t been her friend since grade school, I would wonder if they were in fact real. She shows off her cleavage quite a lot, sometimes in tasteful ways, sometimes not and while sometimes it causes me to have an eye roll, it doesn’t affect me in any way beyond that.

Email plz.


(Hahaha, of course that was a joke.)

[moilami]

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Tuxedos sure as hell aren't comfortable.  But really that's the only counter I've got.

Nothing wrong in Tuxedo exept the tie, and you can get used to it.

(If we don't consider the trouble to keep tuxedo looking good.)

[Count Viceroy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

She doesn't feel the cold the way humans do. She has a conversation about it with Alistair. It probably has something to do with her linage.

Do you have that text handy?  I can't recall anything like that and don't see it in the Wiki.

And then he says, "I'm sure there are a great number of things you don't feel..." or something.

I'll try to find it for you when i get home.

I'm most interested as well. This definatly does not ring a bell and I couldn't find anything on the wiki either.

[Maria Caliban]

FitScotGaymer wrote...


I have played many runthrus of DAO and I really dont recall that banter.

Thats not to say that it isnt there; i take you at your word on that one. If it is there and youre remembering right then I would imagine this may well be a sensible "reason" for her robe to be inappropriate.

Addai67 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
And then he says, "I'm sure there are a great number of things you don't feel..." or something.

I'll try to find it for you when i get home.

I'm interested, because it sounds like a banter I've never heard before and I almost always have Morri and Alistair in my party. 

Interesting. I remember it distinctly, and I rarely had Alistiar in my party.

I wonder if it's actually one of the banters David posted on the old BioWare boards before the game came out. I'll ask in the other forum.

[KBomb]

Addai67 wrote...

KBomb wrote...
One of my dearest friends weighs about 120lbs and she has very large breasts, if I hadn’t been her friend since grade school, I would wonder if they were in fact real. She shows off her cleavage quite a lot, sometimes in tasteful ways, sometimes not and while sometimes it causes me to have an eye roll, it doesn’t affect me in any way beyond that.

This woman engages in vigorous physical activity with them hanging loose?

Well, who knows what she does with them. I am quite sure she isn’t running around slicing and dicing people with daggers, if that’s what you mean. But neither am I when I am playing a character in a video game. I was speaking more to the fact that some women do have naturally large breasts, or unnaturally large depending on how one sees the situation and she may be inclined to show them off without care of what those around her seems to think about it.
If you’re talking about the realism of usefulness as a fighter because her breasts aren’t tied down, then that is a different argument. I would say that not everything in a video game has to be based off realism. At least I would hope not since I like the Survival horror genre. I guess it’s how the individual person views it. If her cantaloupes having free range impede your ability to enjoy playing the game, then I can understand your problem. In my view, however, it’s a very miniscule issue. As long as I can dress my character the way I wish, within the confounds of what Bioware gives me to wear, then I am happy.

[moilami]

Sorry wasnt getting on my high horse about it; but we Scots are very sensistive about the whole England=UK issue which it doesnt.

I have read thousands of pages of history and read about the thing Scottish people had with Brits (word?), however I have thought it is history. Interesting it still appears to live.

[AlexXIV]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I'd like to see something of a casual-action split myself. Maybe lock in the casual (it's what the character wants to wear) and the action equipment is either totally up to the player, or a selection of different options that fit different tactics.

But I have no idea what that would cost in terms of resources. It'd just be my personal ideal I think. It allows the NPCs to retain that aspect of their identity - something I do think is pretty valuable - but still gives the player some amount of control as well.

Addai67 wrote...

Not to go all feminist, cuz I'm really not, but it just gets me that men like things that are actually painful to wear.  High heels being another example.

Tuxedos sure as hell aren't comfortable.  But really that's the only counter I've got.

Easiest would be DLCs. For once you get your costs covered and you can see how many people even care. I for one would only buy an equipment DLC if there was something really awesome in it.

[AlexXIV]

moilami wrote...

Sorry wasnt getting on my high horse about it; but we Scots are very sensistive about the whole England=UK issue which it doesnt.

I have read thousands of pages of history and read about the thing Scottish people had with Brits (word?), however I have thought it is history. Interesting it still appears to live.

If history wouldn't dictate the present then the world would be a peaceful, harmonic place. And who wants that?

[ScotGaymer]

moilami wrote...

Sorry wasnt getting on my high horse about it; but we Scots are very sensistive about the whole England=UK issue which it doesnt.

I have read thousands of pages of history and read about the thing Scottish people had with Brits (word?), however I have thought it is history. Interesting it still appears to live.

Oh my god.
Are you for real?

I have said three times now. BRITAIN DOES NOT EQUAL ENGLAND!
Thus The BRITISH DO NOT EQUAL THE ENGLISH.

You will find that the suggestion and implication that English/England and UK/Britain/British are interchangeable will engender a great deal of hostile and not just from the Scots but from the Welsh, Irish, and even the English themselves.
We all Brits together but we are not all English.

Good god.

[moilami]

Addai67 wrote...

moilami wrote...
So what?

When Morri meets PC there is no winter. There is no signs of winter coming, so there is not even fall. After the fight in Ostagar there is nothing to see about winter.

And I have playet RtO. Was third DLC I played. Or fourth.

Dude, just play the human noble origin or look up the conversations with Fergus.  The PC can say "have fun marching... in the cold" and Fergus mentions the cold.  Ferelden is, generally, a cold country.  Just because it always looks like summer in the game (apart from RtO, where they clearly decided it was time to change that) doesn't change the lore.  There was no way to show a regular progression of seasons because people could do quests pretty much in any order, and because they didn't want to show people in furs.  Read the novels.

The Ashes temple is different because it's on the top of a mountain and thus always snowy.

I think the Sacred Ashes version of Morrigan's robe is sexier, anyway.  Still shows some cleavage.  Like I've been saying, IMO a little goes a long way.  Now that Isabela gets her own rig, "a little" has turned into watermelons.

I have not said there could not ever be winter. I have said it doesn't look like there would be could, and that I don't care if some posh say "eeek cold". The PC is in Ostagar in original story only once. The area gets locked after that and he can never go back. If it would had been winter in Ostagar, then it would had been natural to make the graphics show snow. Now there is summer graphics, and that makes it safe to conclude there was summer, and Morri's robe was perfectly fine. Period.

[Sjofn]

KBomb wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

KBomb wrote...
One of my dearest friends weighs about 120lbs and she has very large breasts, if I hadn’t been her friend since grade school, I would wonder if they were in fact real. She shows off her cleavage quite a lot, sometimes in tasteful ways, sometimes not and while sometimes it causes me to have an eye roll, it doesn’t affect me in any way beyond that.

This woman engages in vigorous physical activity with them hanging loose?

Well, who knows what she does with them. I am quite sure she isn’t running around slicing and dicing people with daggers, if that’s what you mean. But neither am I when I am playing a character in a video game. I was speaking more to the fact that some women do have naturally large breasts, or unnaturally large depending on how one sees the situation and she may be inclined to show them off without care of what those around her seems to think about it.
If you’re talking about the realism of usefulness as a fighter because her breasts aren’t tied down, then that is a different argument. I would say that not everything in a video game has to be based off realism. At least I would hope not since I like the Survival horror genre. I guess it’s how the individual person views it. If her cantaloupes having free range impede your ability to enjoy playing the game, then I can understand your problem. In my view, however, it’s a very miniscule issue. As long as I can dress my character the way I wish, within the confounds of what Bioware gives me to wear, then I am happy.

I think it's a suspension of disbelief thing. As a boobed-American, I know how it feels to run about willy-nilly with them supported and not supported (see previous comment about playing soccer in a regular bra). I know it hurts, and is annoying, and they get in the way. So seeing a woman with breasts even bigger than mine, magically hovering with no support, merrily fighting like they're not even there, it breaks my immersion right quick. There are probably things that male characters do that have dudes going "lol no," but don't occur to me, because I am not one.

Her just chillaxing in that outfit, that's totally fine. Not how I would dress, but I am obviously not Isabella, so it's all good. It's really just the "and now I will FIGHT EASILY in this! Raar!" that makes me go wtf.

Modifié par Sjofn, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:48 .

[moilami]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Sorry wasnt getting on my high horse about it; but we Scots are very sensistive about the whole England=UK issue which it doesnt.

I have read thousands of pages of history and read about the thing Scottish people had with Brits (word?), however I have thought it is history. Interesting it still appears to live.

Oh my god.
Are you for real?

I have said three times now. BRITAIN DOES NOT EQUAL ENGLAND!
Thus The BRITISH DO NOT EQUAL THE ENGLISH.

You will find that the suggestion and implication that English/England and UK/Britain/British are interchangeable will engender a great deal of hostile and not just from the Scots but from the Welsh, Irish, and even the English themselves.
We all Brits together but we are not all English.

Good god.

You seem to want to be the first one I ignore here. I have never said Scottish are English. I have said I knew you had war and issues several hundred years ago.

Ah, no, I will just ignore you, I understand nothing of that yelling and blaming. Should had ignored you at once when you begun to say I am rascist.


Edit: Ignored. Hopefully it works in this forum too and not only on private side.

Modifié par moilami, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:52 .

[ScotGaymer]

Okay this guy is hurting my brain. Maybe its the language barrier but he just doesnt seem to want to listen and continues to act like a jerk and make out like its other people.

@Maria Caliban

I would be really interested to know if that was an included banter in the final game.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:00 .

[KBomb]

Sjofn wrote...


I think it's a suspension of disbelief thing. As a boobed-American, I know how it feels to run about willy-nilly with them supported and not supported (see previous comment about playing soccer in a regular bra). I know it hurts, and is annoying, and they get in the way. So seeing a woman with breasts even bigger than mine, magically hovering with no support, merrily fighting like they're not even there, it breaks my immersion right quick. There are probably things that male characters do that have dudes going "lol no," but don't occur to me, because I am not one.

Her just chillaxing in that outfit, that's totally fine. Not how I would dress, but I am obviously not Isabella, so it's all good. It's really just the "and now I will FIGHT EASILY in this! Raar!" that makes me go wtf.

I can see your point, but in my opinion it’s still a small issue. You’re not forced to bring Isabela along, I don’t even think you have to even meet her in the game at all if you choose not to.

And as a fellow boobed-american ( I lol’d at that btw) I understand the physics of it isn’t possible, but a lot of things in video games aren’t ( like having sex with your LI outside the tent at camp, possible, but creepy) and I think you have to just bite the bullet and choose your battles. If you let the little things like isabela’s boobs interfere with her being a companion, you might miss out on a very unique and interesting character that could add tremendously to you having a great gaming experience.