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[moilami]

yukidama wrote...

moilami wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The videos are getting blocked by SE due to copyright infringement, but here's the lingering view I was talking about. Not necessarily full on ass, but side-ass xD

Side-ass is a great new term! And naturally I have had eye for it from several angles a long long time, as you may guess. But you would be surprised how many different terms you would have to invent for my ability to see fascinating beaty in women.

(Sadly there is just no side-ass to mention in that picture.)

Yeah, she's extremely thin. I'd rather she have a flat ass than a badonkadonk and huge chest without the midsection and legs to support them

Well lol you are right, and I agree with everything you wrote. She would not look balanced that way. Now she at least looks balanced.

(That badankadonk is interesting word

[mellifera]

I'm not saying that Lighting is unrealistic looking, just that average isn't really the idealized Twiggy waif look, long limbed and very thin. She's no Tifa Lockhart or Super Robot Taisen character that's for sure (thank god).

I guess I find Isabela's body type more "average" (but still idealized) because I'm from the Caribbean and I see more women that have similar body types (large chest, big butt and thick waists and thighs) than I see Lighting's.

Modifié par yukidama, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:19 .

[Atakuma]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fenris doesn't, but Varric does.

Fenris has no business showing his hairless chest.

[KBomb]

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So, if Isabela had smaller boobs, her outfit would be okay?

Nope. Told you already about my bias.

If Fenris had his chest exposed then Isabela's outfit would be okay.

Varric has his chest exposed.

Edit: Shorts beat me to the finish line.

Modifié par KBomb, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:17 .

[Ryzaki]

KBomb wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So, if Isabela had smaller boobs, her outfit would be okay?

Nope. Told you already about my bias.

If Fenris had his chest exposed then Isabela's outfit would be okay.

Varric has his chest exposed.

Which to me is ick. Do not want.

A human is equal to another human. (Or an elf which is pretty close to a human just short with pointy ears) but a dwarf? No.

Edit: Fine I see I irritated people with this comment.

Basically I find Varric as attractive as I would a child.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:21 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

moilami wrote...
They do everything because they think they look more attractive that way.

That is not a good enough reason. They're designing a costume for an imaginary person that you only get to learn so much about in the context of the game. Costume design aids character development if it makes sense that the character would wear it, because that way information about that character can be communicated at a glance. You don't have a lifetime to get to know Lightning or any other fictional character, so why have them wear clothes that, well, lie about their character?

We could tell Varric was sauve, secure and confident because of his hairstyle, jewelry, shirt, and snazzy as all get out jacket without knowing more than the fact that he exists and this is what he looks like.

Form follows function and the function of costume design is to tell a story that matches the writers'.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:26 .

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So, if Isabela had smaller boobs, her outfit would be okay?

Nope. Told you already about my bias.

If Fenris had his chest exposed then Isabela's outfit would be okay.

Varric has his chest exposed.

Which to me is ick. Do not want.

A human is equal to another human. (Or an elf which is pretty close to a human just short with pointy ears) but a dwarf? No.

<_<

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

I'm not saying that Lighting is unrealistic looking, just that average isn't really the idealized Twiggy waif look, long limbed and very thin. She's no Tifa Lockhart or Super Robot Taisen character that's for sure (thank god).

I guess I find Isabela's body type more "average" (but still idealized) because I'm from the Caribbean and I see more women that have similar body types (large chest, big butt and thick waists and thighs) than I see Lighting's.

Ah. That would explain it.

And yes thank god she isn't like Tifa. Sometimes I wondered why the gravitational force from her chest bring her crashing to the ground. Thank god they toned them down in later games.

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...
<_<

...You'd compare a human to a dwarf? 

And honestly in DAO elves were pretty much short humans with pointy ears. (and hell you can't even see the ears with some hairstyles).

Though if I've somehow offended I apologize.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:22 .

[KBomb]

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KBomb wrote...

So, if Isabela had smaller boobs, her outfit would be okay?

Nope. Told you already about my bias.

If Fenris had his chest exposed then Isabela's outfit would be okay.

Varric has his chest exposed.

Which to me is ick. Do not want.

A human is equal to another human. (Or an elf which is pretty close to a human just short with pointy ears) but a dwarf? No.

Well, I’m not into dwarfs, but I am certain some players wouldn’t mind having a dwarven LI, or maybe some eye candy.

[moilami]

Ryzaki wrote...

As for Isabela. Those boobs are just...huge. Thick or not.

Enough! I will not listen this any longer.

Modifié par moilami, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:23 .

[Ryzaki]

Sure some would but there's also some who wanted Loghain for a romance as well as Flemeth, Sten and so on. I personally don't find any of those characters attractive.

And one's person fetish fuel is another's no yay.

Though really the thought of romancing Varric turns me off completely.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:25 .

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

yukidama wrote...
<_<

...You'd compare a human to a dwarf? 

And honestly in DAO elves were pretty much short humans with pointy ears. (and hell you can't even see the ears with some hairstyles).

Though if I've somehow offended I apologize.

By saying they are "less than" you are pretty much saying that they're worth less than humans somehow. They're still people and just look like even shorter humans, so yes it does offend when you use terminology like that.

I wouldn't compare a human to a dwarf because there is no comparison. Dwarves are superior 

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

By saying they are "less than" you are pretty much saying that they're worth less than humans somehow. They're still people and just look like even shorter humans, so yes it does offend when you use terminology like that.

I wouldn't compare a human to a dwarf because there is no comparison. Dwarves are superior 

Dwarves aren't people. They're dwarves. Elves aren't people either their elves.   A dragon isn't a dog, a cat isn't a fish.

There's nothing offensive about that. It's the truth.

And I feel the opposite way. Humans beat dwarves hand down.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:27 .

[mellifera]

I think person can be used to refer to humanoids as well, at least in fiction since we don't have any real-life counterparts. Or, at least, I've seen it used that way. The real problem was using "less than", which is offensive because of the imposition of value and worth. Nothing good ever comes from thinking of sentient beings as "less than", especially when the distinction basically comes down just to physical characteristics and not thought processes, culture, actions, motivations, etc.

Modifié par yukidama, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:38 .

[KBomb]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sure some would but there's also some who wanted Loghain for a romance as well as Flemeth, Sten and so on. I personally don't find any of those characters attractive.

And one's person fetish fuel is another's no yay.

Though really the thought of romancing Varric turns me off completely.

I know. I’m not saying that everyone should have eye candy, that would be the antithesis of my point. I am saying that not everyone is going to be happy, not everyone is going to find Isabela attractive, or find her clothes appealing. If Bioware made every female in DA look like that, then there would be cause to argue. They don’t, and they haven’t. It’s either acceptable, or it isn’t. I understand where you’re coming from, personal taste. As I have said all along, that is the underline of the majority of the argument. Not realism, not necessity, but personal taste.

[moilami]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah...that's probably why I'm less bothered. She has average proportions and there's really no emphasis on her other than that shot. (and really the wing was more attention grabbing than her thigh to me).

For me she looks like she would suffer of anorexia. I feel actually sorry for her (or rather for women who look like she), but luckily there are men who prefer that kind of women. And even more so because it means there is less men trying to get fleshy women!

[Ryzaki]

KBomb wrote...
I know. I’m not saying that everyone should have eye candy, that would be the antithesis of my point. I am saying that not everyone is going to be happy, not everyone is going to find Isabela attractive, or find her clothes appealing. If Bioware made every female in DA look like that, then there would be cause to argue. They don’t, and they haven’t. It’s either acceptable, or it isn’t. I understand where you’re coming from, personal taste. As I have said all along, that is the underline of the majority of the argument. Not realism, not necessity, but personal taste.

But the fact is she's not designed to be another species. She is still a human being. Designed to be attractive as well. And while everyone won't be happy she still represents an idealization of the human female form.

And frankly I'm not arguing about her outfit. At this point I could care less about it as long as I don't get ass/boob shots.

If I had to deal with the ass/boob shots I'd enjoy getting some human male boob/abs shots. Not an open shirt from a hairy male dwarf.

yukidama wrote...

I think person can be used to refer to
humanoids as well, at least in fiction since we don't have any real-life
counterparts. Or, at least, I've seen it used that way. The real
problem was using "less than", which is offensive because of the
imposition of values. Nothing good ever comes from thinking of sentient
beings as "less than", especially when the distinction basically comes
down just to physical characteristics and not thought processes,
culture, actions, motivations, etc.

Eh. It's a fictional species.

Anyways I already apologized for my poor choice of words.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:45 .

[mellifera]

Ryzaki wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I think person can be used to refer to
humanoids as well, at least in fiction since we don't have any real-life
counterparts. Or, at least, I've seen it used that way. The real
problem was using "less than", which is offensive because of the
imposition of values. Nothing good ever comes from thinking of sentient
beings as "less than", especially when the distinction basically comes
down just to physical characteristics and not thought processes,
culture, actions, motivations, etc.

Eh. It's a fictional species.

Anyways I already apologized for my poor choice of words.

Doesn't necessarily make the point less valid, especially since it is a real world issue as well... but I'll drop it.

[moilami]

yukidama wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

yukidama wrote...
<_<

...You'd compare a human to a dwarf? 

And honestly in DAO elves were pretty much short humans with pointy ears. (and hell you can't even see the ears with some hairstyles).

Though if I've somehow offended I apologize.

By saying they are "less than" you are pretty much saying that they're worth less than humans somehow. They're still people and just look like even shorter humans, so yes it does offend when you use terminology like that.

I wouldn't compare a human to a dwarf because there is no comparison. Dwarves are superior 

Dwarven rogues are awesome in DA. Warriors too but not that much. But nothing can beat Gnomes!

(That "elves are not people" and similar phrases makes me miss online RPGs and fights caused by such statements a lot xD Best and first scene, which was actually a campaign, happened in Planeshift years ago. Oh the good times.)

[KBomb]

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...


But the fact is she's not designed to be another species. She is still a human being. Designed to be attractive as well. And while everyone won't be happy she still represents an idealization of the human female form.

And frankly I'm not arguing about her outfit. At this point I could care less about it as long as I don't get ass/boob shots.

If I had to deal with the ass/boob shots I'd enjoy getting some human male boob/abs shots. Not an open shirt from a hairy male dwarf.
/[quote]


She represents Isabela, from the game Dragon Age. I don’t think anyone with conscious thought would equate her to a representative of a female form. I think everyone knows females come in every shape and size. She is a lone character of which Bioware has built a story (her story) around. They chose to make her like this and if we are to accept the character, we have to accept the boobs.
As far as seeing shots of boob and rear, what is the big deal? Honestly. It’s a part of society. I doubt Isabela is going to be flashing us for dollar bills. A gratuitous boob shot is nothing these days. And I don’t think Bioware should have to put Fenris in an open shirt because they put Isabela in one. If I am having dinner with friends and one of them is showing cleavage, I don’t demand her boyfriend open his shirt so my dining experience will be equally satisfying. I think Bioware does a fair job on equalizing love interests. That’s my opinion, anyway.
Oh, and you shouldn’t have to apologize for the dwarf comment, I don’t think for one moment you meant it to be offensive.

Modifié par KBomb, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:53 .

[Ryzaki]

KBomb wrote...

She represents Isabela, from the game Dragon Age. I don’t think anyone with conscious thought would equate her to a representative of a female form. I think everyone knows females come in every shape and size. She is a lone character of which Bioware has built a story (her story) around. They chose to make her like this and if we are to accept the character, we have to accept the boobs.
As far as seeing shots of boob and rear, what is the big deal? Honestly. It’s a part of society. I doubt Isabela is going to be flashing us for dollar bills. A gratuitous boob shot is nothing these days. And I don’t think Bioware should have to put Fenris in an open shirt because they put Isabela in one. If I am having dinner with friends and one of them is showing cleavage, I don’t demand her boyfriend open his shirt so my dining experience will be equally satisfying. I think Bioware does a fair job on equalizing love interests. That’s my opinion, anyway.
Oh, and you shouldn’t have to apologize for the dwarf comment, I don’t think for one moment you meant it to be offensive.

To me she's an idealized version of a female form. (maybe "a" was far more approrpiate than "the" and while bodies do come in all sizes and shapes some are far more prominent in media and the like than others).

It's irritating. Especially in scenes like Miranda's convo before her loyalty mission.  Unless it's during her romance it comes across to me as tasteless and annoying.

And there's a difference between a woman's clevage and a camera focusing on a pixelated character's ass. Nothing draws attention to someone's ****** other than me looking at them (unless her chest is practically spilling out of her dress in which case I'll probably arch a brow and wonder if she feels a breeze). while a focused camera is just...urgh. It takes me out of the game and makes me feel like the developer is screaming at me that she's hot and to focus on her assets.

*wonders why people keep comparing a video game to RL*

I didn't mean to be offensive but it was taken that way so /shrugs

Just water under the bridge.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 janvier 2011 - 04:58 .

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

Well, Isabela does have big assets but she also has a thicker body type in general. I wouldn't call Lightning's proportions average unless we're talking about fashion models, though.

Does she?  I think she looks really unproportional, but I guess we'll have to wait for the actual game.  That's one of my objections, that she's watermelons on a toothpick and while some find that attractive, for me it's distracting because I'm looking at her waiting for her to fall over.  The shot of Marian had her looking nicely proportional, so it stands out even more and makes Isabela look like fetish fuel more than a real character.

Oh, and I support dwarven romance!    I think you're right that the other races are people in the sense of "persons."  I see the other races in DA as just a different way to look at humans.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 janvier 2011 - 05:02 .

[Piecake]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Well, Isabela does have big assets but she also has a thicker body type in general. I wouldn't call Lightning's proportions average unless we're talking about fashion models, though.

Does she?  I think she looks really unproportional, but I guess we'll have to wait for the actual game.  That's one of my objections, that she's watermelons on a toothpick and while some find that attractive, for me it's distracting because I'm looking at her waiting for her to fall over.  The shot of Marian had her looking nicely proportional, so it stands out even more and makes Isabela look like fetish fuel more than a real character.

Looks to me that she has a good amount of curves besides just her bust. 

[KBomb]

Ryzaki wrote...

.

*wonders why people keep comparing a video game to RL*

lol I have been wondering that all day!

I am as guilty of the personal taste issue as you, or anyone else on this forum. I will openly admit it. Like I said, I have a huge issue with Fenris not having shoes. It bugs me. Not to the point I am going to let it annoy me, though. I know it's part of his character creation and I accept that. I just wish some people would admit it, too and not use other excuses for it.

Oh, and I understand about the Miranda thing, too. I wanted to scream at the screen, "YES, WE KNOW THEY MADE YOU TO BE PERFECT!" but, meh. It was quick flashes, not minutes upon minutes of butt. A small part of a game that I enjoyed greatly, a small part that took nothing from my experience.