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[wulf3n]

Busomjack wrote...
Mass Effect 2's storyline is about character development and establishing a plausible scenario in mass Effect 3.

*cough* excuses *cough* uhh, sorry about that, must've had something in my throat.:innocent:

[Busomjack]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mass Effect 2 has some of the best writing I have ever seen in a game.  Never before has a game made me feel so emotionally attatched to characters as hearing the personal stories of each one of my squad mates in Mass Effect 2.  I cried while watching Thane confront his son and I NEVER cry at anything!  I even laughed when Sephiroth impaled Aeries.

Lol I actually watched the whole analysis. I don't agree with everything but it was still a great and sometimes funny watch. And the music choice is great.

Let me guess, you probably also thought Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen was a masterpiece.

I hate to take the smug Stanley Kubrick fan position of saying that appreciation of Mass Effect 2 requires a certain degree of intelligence but I think in this case it's true.

[Busomjack]

wulf3n wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
Mass Effect 2's storyline is about character development and establishing a plausible scenario in mass Effect 3.

*cough* excuses *cough* uhh, sorry about that, must've had something in my throat.:innocent:

Give me a single example of any part 2 in a trilogy that brought the storyline to a satisfying conclusion.

[wulf3n]

Busomjack wrote...
Let me guess, you probably also thought Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen was a masterpiece.

I hate to take the smug Stanley Kubrick fan position of saying that appreciation of Mass Effect 2 requires a certain degree of intelligence but I think in this case it's true.

lol, i was thinking the exact opposite. saying that appreciation of ME2's story requires a certain degree of denial.

Busomjack wrote...
Give me a single example of any part 2 in a trilogy that brought the storyline to a satisfying conclusion.

Im not saying ME2 needed to resolve anything, it just needed to make sense.

Modifié par wulf3n, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:42 .

[Clover Rider]

Busomjack wrote...

Hmmm, I wonder what these mysterious hit games you think I haven't played are. I play tons of games and because of that I rarely will play through a game twice and despite that I have played through mass Effect 2 7 times.
Still, I believed I have played plenty of games from last year including many obscure ones.

Mega Man 10. No More Heroes:Desperate Struggle.Amnesia:The Dark Descent.God of War III.Kirby's Epic Yarn.Limbo.Dragon quest IX.Fist of the North Star:Ken's Rage.Crackdown 2.Dead Rising 2.

Just to name some no names and big name ones I think you have not played.

[Il Divo]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Lol I actually watched the whole analysis. I don't agree with everything but it was still a great and sometimes funny watch. And the music choice is great.

Oh, it's great fun to watch. I definitely think he's way too nitpicky about alot of points though. He also did one for Mass Effect if you're not afraid to have plot holes thrown at you every which way:  

Modifié par Il Divo, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:43 .

[Valikdu]

Busomjack wrote...
I hate to take the smug Stanley Kubrick fan position of saying that appreciation of Mass Effect 2 requires a certain degree of intelligence

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Read the book. Don't watch the movie.
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Modifié par Valikdu, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:43 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Busomjack wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mass Effect 2 has some of the best writing I have ever seen in a game.  Never before has a game made me feel so emotionally attatched to characters as hearing the personal stories of each one of my squad mates in Mass Effect 2.  I cried while watching Thane confront his son and I NEVER cry at anything!  I even laughed when Sephiroth impaled Aeries.

Lol I actually watched the whole analysis. I don't agree with everything but it was still a great and sometimes funny watch. And the music choice is great.

Let me guess, you probably also thought Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen was a masterpiece.

I hate to take the smug Stanley Kubrick fan position of saying that appreciation of Mass Effect 2 requires a certain degree of intelligence but I think in this case it's true.

Except that Smudboy's analysis is far more well thought out than your babbling in this thread.

Prove his analysis wrong, mister high and mighty. You're talking about "facts" but the facts you presented are poorly presented. Can't say the same about Smudboy.

[Busomjack]

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.



Some Geth, out of those games you mentioned I have played all of them except Crackdown 2, Limbo, Fist of the North Star and Megaman 10.



I liked No More Heroes 2 but I thought getting rid of the city and the boss fights weren't as fun as the first game.



Amnesia was great but it was too short and had no replay value. It would be on my top 10 list for sure though.



Kirby's Epic Yarn was fun but it was a little too easy



Dragon Quest IX I didn't like. It seemed like the single player portion of the game was dumbed down in favor of the multiplayer. I have no interest now or ever in playing a multi-player RPG, especially not on the NIntendo DS.



Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.



The one's I haven't played I may get to eventually except for Crackdown 2 since I heard it's inferior to the first game which I didn't care for much and Megaman 10 since it looks exactly the same as Megaman 9 which I have played and beaten already.

[Clover Rider]

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.

Some Geth, out of those games you mentioned I have played all of them except Crackdown 2, Limbo, Fist of the North Star and Megaman 10.

I liked No More Heroes 2 but I thought getting rid of the city and the boss fights weren't as fun as the first game.

Amnesia was great but it was too short and had no replay value. It would be on my top 10 list for sure though.

Kirby's Epic Yarn was fun but it was a little too easy

Dragon Quest IX I didn't like. It seemed like the single player portion of the game was dumbed down in favor of the multiplayer. I have no interest now or ever in playing a multi-player RPG, especially not on the NIntendo DS.

Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.

The one's I haven't played I may get to eventually except for Crackdown 2 since I heard it's inferior to the first game which I didn't care for much and Megaman 10 since it looks exactly the same as Megaman 9 which I have played and beaten already.

Dead Rising 2 is not a FPS:huh:.

[Da_Lion_Man]

Busomjack wrote...
Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.

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[wulf3n]

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.

Funny considering your former position on the games critic industry=

Oh im not saying its a bad game, im saying it has a laughable story, that makes me question why it even bothered to have one in the first place. Normally it wouldn't be much of an issue, i don't really expect my shooters to have a good story...but i do expect my bioware games to.

[Clover Rider]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.

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Boy I need to go to bed have fun with this fool:innocent:.

[Busomjack]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Mass Effect 2 has some of the best writing I have ever seen in a game.  Never before has a game made me feel so emotionally attatched to characters as hearing the personal stories of each one of my squad mates in Mass Effect 2.  I cried while watching Thane confront his son and I NEVER cry at anything!  I even laughed when Sephiroth impaled Aeries.

Lol I actually watched the whole analysis. I don't agree with everything but it was still a great and sometimes funny watch. And the music choice is great.

Let me guess, you probably also thought Transformers:Revenge of the Fallen was a masterpiece.

I hate to take the smug Stanley Kubrick fan position of saying that appreciation of Mass Effect 2 requires a certain degree of intelligence but I think in this case it's true.

Except that Smudboy's analysis is far more well thought out than your babbling in this thread.

Prove his analysis wrong, mister high and mighty. You're talking about "facts" but the facts you presented are poorly presented. Can't say the same about Smudboy.

I haven't even watched his entire video nor do I intend to as I don't feel obliged to justify the quality of a great game to an obvious hipster who is obviously just taking the position of disliking the game for the sake of being cool and different.

The bits and pieces I did gather from the little I watched is basically just a critique of the game's storyline "not making sense."  The problem with this is that he's judging the plot's presentation based entirely on what happened in the events of Mass Effect 2 which is basically like judging the entirety of a 40 chapter book by only reading chapter 15-30.

The second part of a trilogy is about BUILD UP so of course not everything is going to make perfect sense in the context on just one game in a three part series.

The guy is holding the game up to a standard which has never been expected of a mid story in a trilogy and he's doing it just to ****** off Bioware fans.  I'm not going to give him the time of day by watching his trash and adding to his view list.

[Busomjack]

wulf3n wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.

Funny considering your former position on the games critic industry=

Oh im not saying its a bad game, im saying it has a laughable story, that makes me question why it even bothered to have one in the first place. Normally it wouldn't be much of an issue, i don't really expect my shooters to have a good story...but i do expect my bioware games to.

Forget the professional reviews, take into account the reader reviews.  They're independent, they're not beholden to Bioware in anyway and the positive reviews are objective and don't reek of fanboyism like the reviews for Black Ops.  
Why would they write a review just to lie to themselves?  You're not making any sense.

[Busomjack]

Some Geth wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.

Some Geth, out of those games you mentioned I have played all of them except Crackdown 2, Limbo, Fist of the North Star and Megaman 10.

I liked No More Heroes 2 but I thought getting rid of the city and the boss fights weren't as fun as the first game.

Amnesia was great but it was too short and had no replay value. It would be on my top 10 list for sure though.

Kirby's Epic Yarn was fun but it was a little too easy

Dragon Quest IX I didn't like. It seemed like the single player portion of the game was dumbed down in favor of the multiplayer. I have no interest now or ever in playing a multi-player RPG, especially not on the NIntendo DS.

Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.

The one's I haven't played I may get to eventually except for Crackdown 2 since I heard it's inferior to the first game which I didn't care for much and Megaman 10 since it looks exactly the same as Megaman 9 which I have played and beaten already.

Dead Rising 2 is not a FPS:huh:.

I know, I meant to just say shooter.  You can go ahead and make what you want out of that error if it makes you feel better but that is what I meant.

[wulf3n]

Busomjack wrote...
I don't feel obliged to justify the quality of a great game

Yet you require confirmation of your belief from critics?

Busomjack wrote...
The guy is holding the game up to a standard which has never been expected of a mid story in a trilogy

...Empire Strikes Back?

Busomjack wrote...
Forget the professional reviews, take into account the reader reviews.  They're independent, they're not beholden to Bioware in anyway and the positive reviews are objective and don't reek of fanboyism like the reviews for Black Ops.  
Why would they write a review just to lie to themselves?  You're not making any sense?

I've yet to see a single one praise ME2 on its story.

Modifié par wulf3n, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:55 .

[slxiii]

Busomjack wrote...


This idiot is just thinking "DERRRR!   I WANT TO BE A FAMOUS INTERNET STAR SO I'LL BASH A POPULAR GAME, LOL!"

I could do it to by over simplifying the plot of a good game and making it look stupid.

you already did

Busomjack wrote...


Read Dead Redemption's storyline is just the cliched "Government is more evil than the outlaws" tripe we've seen in almost every Western flick before.  Most Rockstar games are like this and the writing just sucks and makes the main characters look hypocritical.

[Busomjack]

wulf3n wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
I don't feel obliged to justify the quality of a great game

Yet you require confirmation of your belief from critics?

Busomjack wrote...
The guy is holding the game up to a standard which has never been expected of a mid story in a trilogy

...Empire Strikes Back?

Empire Strikes back didn't give us resolution of the plot either.  Sure there were some twists but Mass Effect 2 had plenty of really cool, unexpected twists as well.
I think Empire Strikes Back is a good movie parrallel to Mass Effect 2.

"I've yet to see a single one praise ME2 on its story."

You haven't looked hard enough then.  I found this one in 5 seconds on metacritic.





KevinT.

Jan 30, 2010


10





Mass Effect one was a wonderful game but it did have flaws. Bioware
seem to have picked up on every one of those and refined it to the nth
degree to create a fantastic experience. Gong is the clunky inventory
management, gone is the tearing and odd frame rate dip. In is a vastly
improved combat mechanic, the best visuals on 360 (probably) and a
simpler more immersive RPG experience. The story is, once again, outstanding. It's only Jan yet I think we have my GOTY right here.

Modifié par Busomjack, 16 janvier 2011 - 11:58 .

[Clover Rider]

Busomjack wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

Yeah Wulf3n, The 96 on metacritic(90 userscore) for Mass Effect 2 is just a facade. They're just pretending they like the game because they don't want to hurt Bioware's feelings.

Some Geth, out of those games you mentioned I have played all of them except Crackdown 2, Limbo, Fist of the North Star and Megaman 10.

I liked No More Heroes 2 but I thought getting rid of the city and the boss fights weren't as fun as the first game.

Amnesia was great but it was too short and had no replay value. It would be on my top 10 list for sure though.

Kirby's Epic Yarn was fun but it was a little too easy

Dragon Quest IX I didn't like. It seemed like the single player portion of the game was dumbed down in favor of the multiplayer. I have no interest now or ever in playing a multi-player RPG, especially not on the NIntendo DS.

Dead Rising 2 was kinda fun but I'm not a huge fan of first person shooters unless they're really REALLY good like Halo Reach.

The one's I haven't played I may get to eventually except for Crackdown 2 since I heard it's inferior to the first game which I didn't care for much and Megaman 10 since it looks exactly the same as Megaman 9 which I have played and beaten already.

Dead Rising 2 is not a FPS:huh:.

I know, I meant to just say shooter.  You can go ahead and make what you want out of that error if it makes you feel better but that is what I meant.

Okay last thing from me Dead Rising 2 is more then just a"shooter"you fool and now goodnight my fool king-_-.

[Busomjack]

Shooter, hack n' slash whatever.  I'm not pedantic when it comes to defining a game's genre.  I found it to be a shallow game and it's humor fell flat.  It's quality of a game wasn't bad but it was far from one of my favorites.

Modifié par Busomjack, 17 janvier 2011 - 12:00 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Busomjack wrote...

I haven't even watched his entire video nor do I intend to as I don't feel obliged to justify the quality of a great game to an obvious hipster who is obviously just taking the position of disliking the game for the sake of being cool and different.

Funny, because you're doing the same thing with RDR. I'm guessing you're just mad that RDR snatched some awards from your precious ME2. HOW DARE THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION!!!! 

Besides, you don't want to prove him wrong, because you can't.

The bits and pieces I did gather from the little I watched is basically just a critique of the game's storyline "not making sense."  The problem with this is that he's judging the plot's presentation based entirely on what happened in the events of Mass Effect 2 which is basically like judging the entirety of a 40 chapter book by only reading chapter 15-30.

The second part of a trilogy is about BUILD UP so of course not everything is going to make perfect sense in the context on just one game in a three part series.

Same excuses all over again. People could argue that ME2 isn't even that good of a second act in a trilogy. Of course those people are wrong, because you say so and your opinion is law. Isn't that right mister internet king?

The guy is holding the game up to a standard which has never been expected of a mid story in a trilogy and he's doing it just to ****** off Bioware fans.  I'm not going to give him the time of day by watching his trash and adding to his view list.

Because you don't like it when a person criticizes ME2, just like the insecure fanboy you are.

[wulf3n]

Busomjack wrote...
Empire Strikes back didn't give us resolution of the plot either.  Sure there were some twists but Mass Effect 2 had plenty of really cool, unexpected twists as well.
I think Empire Strikes Back is a good movie parrallel to Mass Effect 2.

No one is saying EVERYTHING needs to be resolved, but we learn so much about the universe and ORIGINAL characters in Empire, and on top of that it made sense, everyones actions were believable, and i knew what was going on and why.

Busomjack wrote...
You haven't looked hard enough then.  I found this one in 5 seconds on metacritic.

Mass Effect one was a wonderful game but it did have flaws. Bioware 
seem to have picked up on every one of those and refined it to the nth 
degree to create a fantastic experience. Gong is the clunky inventory 
management, gone is the tearing and odd frame rate dip. In is a vastly 
improved combat mechanic, the best visuals on 360 (probably) and a 
simpler more immersive RPG experience. The story is, once again, outstanding. It's only Jan yet I think we have my GOTY right here.

yep that's totally impartial and in depth. anyone that mentions flaws, yet doesn't elaborate on them is hardly impartial.

and when put in with user reviews like this 

"There are few games that can make a person feel like they are making a difference in what they are playing" - what difference did we make?

just shows why i don't take user reviews seriously

Modifié par wulf3n, 17 janvier 2011 - 12:05 .

[Busomjack]

Sorry Da_Lion_Man but I'm not going to disseminate some random video that some stranger posts on the internet forums just because he challenges the size of my epeen.  If you want to debate the merits or lack of in Mass Effect 2 then do it based on your own conclusions, don't take the lazy way out and just post someone elses opinion.
That would be like me just posting the IGN review of Mass Effect 2 and saying "ok, prove that guy wrong point by point and then we'll talk."
No, it doesn't work that way.  You may not agree with what I said about Read Dead Redemption but at least it's something I wrote based on my own experiences and not just some other person's opinion I found online because I'm too stupid to think up my own reasons.

[InvaderErl]

wulf3n wrote...

...Empire Strikes Back?

From wiki:

The Empire Strikes Back initially received mixed reviews from critics upon its release. However, by the turn of the 1990s and up to now, fans and critics alike now widely consider The Empire Strikes Back to be the best film in the franchise.[34]

Some critics had problems with the story of The Empire Strikes Back, but they admitted that the film was a great technological achievement in filmmaking. For example, Vincent Canby of The New York Times wrote a largely negative review.[35] Judith Martin of The Washington Post complained of the film's "middle-of-the-story" plot, which featured no particular beginning or end, in her opinion.[36] However, this was a concept that Lucas had intended.[20]

Modifié par InvaderErl, 17 janvier 2011 - 12:06 .