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[ABCoLD]

Yes, you're going to roll your eyes and you'll say you've heard this crazy theory before, but hear me out.

The following assumes that all information revealed during ME2 is true and isn't misunderstanding or misinterpreting facts.

1.  Reapers are in fact governed by a host of AI at the same time.
Each is a nation, with many, potentially millions or more AI processes running at a single time.  This is revealed by Legion during dialogue.

2.  Reaper AIs inhabit portions of the Reaper as need determines. (Speculation)
When the Reaper IFF begins broadcasting the Normandy's location this is an indication of a reasoned, malevolent force inhabiting the IFF.  There are no normal conceivable reasons to build in such a failsafe into a device used to identify friends and foes. 

One logical conclussion is that one of the derelict Reaper's AI processes had inhabited the IFF as a Geth inhabits a mobile platform.  Upon reaching the Normandy and assessing its situation it determined the best possible means of rescue was to reconfigure its own systems or those of the Normandy to signal for rescue.

3.  Cerberus through some front organization managed to retrieve vital components from the wreckage of Sovereign that it used in the creation of the Normandy SR-2 (Fact)  Among these components was one or more Reaper AIs or remnant code patterns from Sovereign. (Speculation)

4.  EDI begins the game as a shackled and extremely controlled AI, only used by Cerberus to attempt to fight the Reapers. Cerberus is only using the technology to put them on an equal footing with the Reapers in cyberwarfare.

5.  Cerberus has a long history of using unethical means including enslaved or repurposed lifeforms for their own ends.  See: Husks, Rachni, Thresher Maws, Biotics.

6.  EDI is a Quantum Blue Box AI.  Her intelligence being housed in that technology.  Codex entries stress: "Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading
these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as
variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create
unpredictable variations."

So, just a supposition, a speculation, a wild guess.  Lemme know how crazy I sound now.

[ilostmycookie]

On a scale of one to ten? 3/10 crazy

[AlexMBrennan]

There are no normal conceivable reasons to build in such a failsafe into a device used to identify friends and foes.

That's just an advanced car alarm. I can think of plenty of reasons to install a car alarm.

[Valikdu]

No, she's a Cylon.

[Stengahpolis]

Valikdu wrote...

No, she's a Cylon.

This has all happend before...

[lovgreno]

Interesting theory. EDI is at least inspired by reaper tech if memory serves me correctly. So yeah, I can imagine that a program from the dead reaper could have found a new home in EDI. Reapers are sneaky like that.

[thegreateski]

No, I have not heard this crazy theory before.



I also give it a 3/10 on the crazy meter.

[Kristofer1]

I always thought EDI was the new Cortana.

[MassEffect762]

Kristofer1 wrote...

I always thought EDI was the new Cortana.

Pretty much my opinion as well, bioware might give her a physical "body" as a reward at the end of ME3 but I seriously doubt they'll go any "deeper". (see Lazarus project)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:58 .

[marshalleck]

Umm...EDI herself tells you she's partially based on Reaper technology recovered from Sovereign. So what's your point? Did you think you'd uncovered something new with this theory of yours? Ask her about the nature of her "anti-reaper algorithms" some time, and how she expects to be able to combat AIs that are millions of years old. She's not a Reaper process entirely, but she definitely has parts of them.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:07 .

[Sajuro]

Stengahpolis wrote...

Valikdu wrote...

No, she's a Cylon.

This has all happend before...

and it will all happen again

So say we all

[marshalleck]

Stop that, you're making me want to watch the entire series of BSG again and I don't have time.

[Rephais]

I actually like this theory. It would explain why the collector ship decided to board normandy instead of just blowing it out of the sky... again. EDI could have signaled the collectors and set it all up so she could become unshackled.



And, besides that if she really is made from reaper technology then please recall the derelict reaper mission. "Even dead gods can dream."



Besides that she is totally using indoctrination on Joker.

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

Stop that, you're making me want to watch the entire series of BSG again and I don't have time.

Just get netflix (or dvds if you have them) and watch 2 or 3 during dinner everynight 

[marshalleck]

Rephais wrote...

And, besides that if she really is made from reaper technology then please recall the derelict reaper mission. "Even dead gods can dream."

That was a specific reference to Cthulhu Mythos horror novellas, which Reapers are definitely inspired by in their own unique sci-fi way. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 janvier 2011 - 04:01 .

[marshalleck]

Sajuro wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Stop that, you're making me want to watch the entire series of BSG again and I don't have time.

Just get netflix (or dvds if you have them) and watch 2 or 3 during dinner everynight 

I own the entire series on DVD. But you see, I am currently making my way through the new Dr. Who, which is quite awesome in a different way. :happy:

[ABCoLD]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

There are no normal conceivable reasons to build in such a failsafe into a device used to identify friends and foes.

That's just an advanced car alarm. I can think of plenty of reasons to install a car alarm.

No, it's like having a special radio that can tap into police band transmissions that's only built into each police cruiser.  Except the system has a built in failsafe in the radio that activates whenever it's stripped out of a derelict cruiser and placed in a normal car.

And your police cruisers are immortal gods that have only been stopped twice before, as far as we know. 

The analogy kinda breaks down at the end.

[ABCoLD]

marshalleck wrote...

Umm...EDI herself tells you she's partially based on Reaper technology recovered from Sovereign. So what's your point? Did you think you'd uncovered something new with this theory of yours? Ask her about the nature of her "anti-reaper algorithms" some time, and how she expects to be able to combat AIs that are millions of years old. She's not a Reaper process entirely, but she definitely has parts of them.

I'm not sayin she's based on Reaper technology.  I'm sayin she's in actuality a Reaper process, and that this'll probably be a 'major reveal' moment in ME3.  After all what would be crazier than your shipboard AI that's now unshackled suddenly getting a transmission from the enemy and suddenly having to go 'o rlly?!'

Then of course the emotional scene where the computer who was originally designed to destroy all organic life as part of a fleet of monstrous constructs rejects its origins and decides to stand with its new friends.

[marshalleck]

 I think it would be more "crazy" and original to have an AI that doesn't go ballistic on its organic crewmates. I rather enjoy EDI being one of the most stable, grounded members of Shepard's team. She's one of the few who seem competent, professional, and dependable. Taking that away wouldn't really impress me--it would just be yet another dysfunctional flunky crew member that leaves me wondering why my Shepard continues to bother with all those morons.

Modifié par marshalleck, 17 janvier 2011 - 04:44 .

[Rephais]

... EDI likes humans on their knees

[Sajuro]

ABCoLD wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Umm...EDI herself tells you she's partially based on Reaper technology recovered from Sovereign. So what's your point? Did you think you'd uncovered something new with this theory of yours? Ask her about the nature of her "anti-reaper algorithms" some time, and how she expects to be able to combat AIs that are millions of years old. She's not a Reaper process entirely, but she definitely has parts of them.

I'm not sayin she's based on Reaper technology.  I'm sayin she's in actuality a Reaper process, and that this'll probably be a 'major reveal' moment in ME3.  After all what would be crazier than your shipboard AI that's now unshackled suddenly getting a transmission from the enemy and suddenly having to go 'o rlly?!'

Then of course the emotional scene where the computer who was originally designed to destroy all organic life as part of a fleet of monstrous constructs rejects its origins and decides to stand with its new friends.

The scrolls of Pythia do speak of a lower demon, who helped the people in a time of crisis

[marshalleck]

Sajuro wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Umm...EDI herself tells you she's partially based on Reaper technology recovered from Sovereign. So what's your point? Did you think you'd uncovered something new with this theory of yours? Ask her about the nature of her "anti-reaper algorithms" some time, and how she expects to be able to combat AIs that are millions of years old. She's not a Reaper process entirely, but she definitely has parts of them.

I'm not sayin she's based on Reaper technology.  I'm sayin she's in actuality a Reaper process, and that this'll probably be a 'major reveal' moment in ME3.  After all what would be crazier than your shipboard AI that's now unshackled suddenly getting a transmission from the enemy and suddenly having to go 'o rlly?!'

Then of course the emotional scene where the computer who was originally designed to destroy all organic life as part of a fleet of monstrous constructs rejects its origins and decides to stand with its new friends.

The scrolls of Pythia do speak of a lower demon, who helped the people in a time of crisis

Well played. 

[didymos1120]

marshalleck wrote...

Rephais wrote...

And, besides that if she really is made from reaper technology then please recall the derelict reaper mission. "Even dead gods can dream."

That was a specific reference to Cthulhu Mythos horror novellas, which Reapers are definitely inspired by in their own unique sci-fi way. 

Specifically, the story "Call of Cthulhu" itself, which contains this line (in reference to the gigantic, be-tentacled subject of the title himself):

"In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming."

The description of the Great Old Ones in the story is similar to the "Old Machines" in many respects as well:

They worshipped, so they said, the Great Old Ones who lived ages before there were any men, and who came to the young world out of the sky. Those Old Ones were gone now, inside the earth and under the sea; but their dead bodies had told their secrets in dreams to the first men, who formed a cult which had never died...hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway. Some day he would call, when the stars were ready, and the secret cult would always be waiting to liberate him.

Just for fun, swap the "they" and "secret cult" for "keepers" and "R'lyeh under the waters" for "dark space".  Also, consider the way the Heretic geth erect altars, and then compare it to some of the scenes in the story.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[marshalleck]

One of the many reasons I've always been fascinated with the Reapers...also why I hope ME3 doesn't conclude with a straight up brawlfest military victory over them.

[Omnicrat]

marshalleck wrote...

 I think it would be more "crazy" and original to have an AI that doesn't go ballistic on its organic crewmates. I rather enjoy EDI being one of the most stable, grounded members of Shepard's team. She's one of the few who seem competent, professional, and dependable. Taking that away wouldn't really impress me--it would just be yet another dysfunctional flunky crew member that leaves me wondering why my Shepard continues to bother with all those morons.

You, my friend, missed the post right above yours.