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[Liablecocksman]

Cuthlan wrote...
Because the masculine "C" word, assuming you mean the alternative name for a rooster, is not generally very offensive. So I doubt a conversation about it would be all that interesting. Maybe, though.

Actually, I think it is silly that either would be considered offensive, but the feminine "C" word is certainly offensive to some women, especially in the States. I think it must have something to do with the actually mechanics of the word striking a strange chord with them mentally... there are other words that mean essentially the same thing, yet that word somehow upsets them more.

What do you mean "In the States"?
**** is used a lot in Great Britain, and it is used an insult. It's is equally offensive to either gender, and isn't specifically targeted at either.

[Fidget6]

Cuthlan wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

The c-word debate was particularly awe-inspiring.

There are two c-words. The feminine and the masculine. To which are you referring?

I believe he was referring to the feminine

Why do you believe that?

Actually, I think it is silly that either would be considered offensive, but the feminine "C" word is certainly offensive to some women, especially in the States.

Some women? The feminine "C" word is the second-most taboo word out there, second only to the "N" word.

[Cuthlan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...


Because the masculine "C" word, assuming you mean the alternative name for a rooster, is not generally very offensive. So I doubt a conversation about it would be all that interesting. Maybe, though.

I've had interesting conversations about ****. Maybe you just hang out with the wrong group.

Actually, I think it is silly that either would be considered offensive, but the feminine "C" word is certainly offensive to some women, especially in the States. I think it must have something to do with the actually mechanics of the word striking a strange chord with them mentally... there are other words that mean essentially the same thing, yet that word somehow upsets them more.

I see, it's silly for women to be offended by the word c**t.

If someone told you your mother or girlfriend was a c**t, you wouldn't have any problem with this?

No more than if they had called them a b***h or something similar. That is, I would be upset about them insulting them, but not any more so because of that particular word.

My wife might take issue with me having a girlfriend, though.

There is no logical reason why that word is more offensive to women than any other vulgarity that can be directed to them. But, for some women, it just is.

[Avilia]

Maria Caliban wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I was under the impression that ASoIaF was Dragon Age's main source of inspiration not 'The Witcher'.

Yet Gaider & Co. have provided us with nothing as giggle worthy as 'his fat, purple mast' or 'buried in her steaming, Moorish swamp.'

ew.  Prose that purple belongs in a bodice ripper. .  Is that from Ice and Fire?

[Cuthlan]

Liable****sman wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
Because the masculine "C" word, assuming you mean the alternative name for a rooster, is not generally very offensive. So I doubt a conversation about it would be all that interesting. Maybe, though.

Actually, I think it is silly that either would be considered offensive, but the feminine "C" word is certainly offensive to some women, especially in the States. I think it must have something to do with the actually mechanics of the word striking a strange chord with them mentally... there are other words that mean essentially the same thing, yet that word somehow upsets them more.

What do you mean "In the States"?
**** is used a lot in Great Britain, and it is used an insult. It's is equally offensive to either gender, and isn't specifically targeted at either.

That's what I meant. It is used a lot in GB, but it isn't really the gender issue there that it is here. It is strictly an insult toward women in the States. 

And that's what I meant by "...int the States". Not that it was only used here.

[Liablecocksman]

Cuthlan wrote...
That's what I meant. It is used a lot in GB, but it isn't really the gender issue there that it is here. It is strictly an insult toward women in the States. 

And that's what I meant by "...int the States". Not that it was only used here.

You'll have to excuse me then, as I misunderstood.

I haven't ever been to the States, so I can't really provide you with my own observations - but it sounds a little stupid. Some words do that to some people, though, I'm afraid.

Only reason I wrote you, is that **** is basically the rudest word I can think of, in English. Maybe people just take extra offense, because it is extra offensive, and not because it is that specific word? If you catch my drift.

[Maria Caliban]

Avilia wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I was under the impression that ASoIaF was Dragon Age's main source of inspiration not 'The Witcher'.

Yet Gaider & Co. have provided us with nothing as giggle worthy as 'his fat, purple mast' or 'buried in her steaming, Moorish swamp.'

ew.  Prose that purple belongs in a bodice ripper. .  Is that from Ice and Fire?

Indeed, it is.

But I remind you that any number of people will tell you GRRM is the greatest dark fantasy writer ever, so the above quotes are probably gritty and realistic, but you just don't realize it.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:50 .

[Liablecocksman]

Avilia wrote...
ew.  Prose that purple belongs in a bodice ripper. .  Is that from Ice and Fire?

George A. Romero is the greatest dark fantasy writer ever!

[Malanek]

Fidget6 wrote...
Some women? The feminine "C" word is the second-most taboo word out there, second only to the "N" word.

According to NZ broadcasting standards it is the number one most offensive word based on surveys of how many people find it unnaceptable in different situations.

[Cuthlan]

Liable****sman wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...
That's what I meant. It is used a lot in GB, but it isn't really the gender issue there that it is here. It is strictly an insult toward women in the States. 

And that's what I meant by "...int the States". Not that it was only used here.

You'll have to excuse me then, as I misunderstood.

I haven't ever been to the States, so I can't really provide you with my own observations - but it sounds a little stupid. Some words do that to some people, though, I'm afraid.

Only reason I wrote you, is that **** is basically the rudest word I can think of, in English. Maybe people just take extra offense, because it is extra offensive, and not because it is that specific word? If you catch my drift.

I've had this discussion with several women before, and while some weren't really any more bothered by it than they were b***h, those that were couldn't really explain why. Negative association maybe, one friend's wife said because it sounds dirty. Whatever that means.

If you call a male a c**t in the States, they really wont be bothered by it in my experience. It's really only considered offensive to women here.

I remember talking through this with Bertie from Eurogamer once... we used to play Dark Age of Camelot together, and he taught me a lot about British vulgarity.

[crimzontearz]

Maria Caliban wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

a combination of factors

as a straight up insult the Male-C would have to be associated to another word in order to make sense....and it is usually a sexually oriented insult. It can also be replaced with a more useful D-word which was also used before by Bioware (in Mass Effect 2 as well). Female-C word can be used as more of a 1 word insult without the need to sexualize it.....it would be more "malleable" an instance to be put in in nearly any context.

of course it could just be me

That's an excellent point. I find myself in agreement.

indeed

also the Male C word was used in other productions in attempts of more common/non sexualized profanity and it just did not work (I'm looking at you spartacus)

[Maria Caliban]

Cuthlan wrote...

No more than if they had called them a b***h or something similar. That is, I would be upset about them insulting them, but not any more so because of that particular word.

Well, you first said that it was silly for women to be offended by the word. I find this a bit more reasonable.

There is no logical reason why that word is more offensive to women than any other vulgarity that can be directed to them. But, for some women, it just is.

There's no logical reason for b**** to be an insult or c**k to be more insulting than d**k. There's no logical reason for c*** and p***** to be obscene while vagina and vulva aren't.

[Cuthlan]

Malanek999 wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Some women? The feminine "C" word is the second-most taboo word out there, second only to the "N" word.

According to NZ broadcasting standards it is the number one most offensive word based on surveys of how many people find it unnaceptable in different situations.

Which is absolutely absurd considering the negative associations the "N" word has with it, having been used by oppressors/slave owners/racists as a negative slur for so long.

That the "C" word could be considered more offensive just goes to show how much value we can assign to simple words.

[Malanek]

Cuthlan wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Some women? The feminine "C" word is the second-most taboo word out there, second only to the "N" word.

According to NZ broadcasting standards it is the number one most offensive word based on surveys of how many people find it unnaceptable in different situations.

Which is absolutely absurd considering the negative associations the "N" word has with it, having been used by oppressors/slave owners/racists as a negative slur for so long.

That the "C" word could be considered more offensive just goes to show how much value we can assign to simple words.

Thats just the way it goes. The n word was second, perhaps not such a big deal here.

However I still disagree with what you said, have you seen things like pulp fiction? The n word, when used in certain contexts, is deemed somewhat acceptable.

Edit: This is the results of the standards research. Obviously contains profane terms.
www.bsa.govt.nz/assets/Research/What-Not-to-Swear-Full-BSA2010.pdf

Modifié par Malanek999, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:10 .

[legbamel]

If I may, being called a female dog is no where near as offensive as being reduced to a single part of your anatomy in such a way as to imply that that your genitals are both inferior and more important than the rest of you. The tone in which I've heard it used also implies that that part in some way physically disgusts the speaker, as well.



The first time I heard a guy call another guy a c**t and they were both laughing it took me a moment to adjust. Naturally, this was in a movie from Great Britain somewhere. I will say that having heard it used that way so often since then has taken a great deal of the offensiveness from the word for me.



Um, on-topic, I would love to heard more "Andraste's knicker-weasels" sort of language. I don't really even know what that meant but it cracks me up every time.

[Cuthlan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

No more than if they had called them a b***h or something similar. That is, I would be upset about them insulting them, but not any more so because of that particular word.

Well, you first said that it was silly for women to be offended by the word. I find this a bit more reasonable. 

What I intended was that it was silly that it was more insulting than the others. At least I feel it is. The only reason I can figure out why it is considered more offensive is one or more variations of "just because".

[Jazharah]

So I can say ****, ****, vagina, and snatch but not c**t?
English speaking people are silly. Actually, I don't know of any other language where there's such a fuss over profanity.

EDIT: oh.. guess I couldn't say those words after all LOL. Even worse.

Modifié par Jazharah, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:01 .

[Avilia]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Avilia wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I was under the impression that ASoIaF was Dragon Age's main source of inspiration not 'The Witcher'.

Yet Gaider & Co. have provided us with nothing as giggle worthy as 'his fat, purple mast' or 'buried in her steaming, Moorish swamp.'

ew.  Prose that purple belongs in a bodice ripper. .  Is that from Ice and Fire?

Indeed, it is.

But I remind you that any number of people will tell you GRRM is the greatest dark fantasy writer ever, so the above quotes are probably gritty and realistic, but you just don't realize it.

*eyes her unread copy of A Game of Thrones and realises why she couldn't get past the first chapter*

[Cuthlan]

Malanek999 wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...
Some women? The feminine "C" word is the second-most taboo word out there, second only to the "N" word.

According to NZ broadcasting standards it is the number one most offensive word based on surveys of how many people find it unnaceptable in different situations.

Which is absolutely absurd considering the negative associations the "N" word has with it, having been used by oppressors/slave owners/racists as a negative slur for so long.

That the "C" word could be considered more offensive just goes to show how much value we can assign to simple words.

Thats just the way it goes. The n word was second, perhaps not such a big deal here.

However I still disagree with what you said, have you seen things like pulp fiction? The n word, when used in certain contexts, is deemed somewhat acceptable.

That is true, but there is still at least some understandable reason why the "N" word offends, even if it is apparently only offensive in certain context (or said by certain people).

[Cuthlan]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Avilia wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I was under the impression that ASoIaF was Dragon Age's main source of inspiration not 'The Witcher'.

Yet Gaider & Co. have provided us with nothing as giggle worthy as 'his fat, purple mast' or 'buried in her steaming, Moorish swamp.'

ew.  Prose that purple belongs in a bodice ripper. .  Is that from Ice and Fire?

Indeed, it is.

But I remind you that any number of people will tell you GRRM is the greatest dark fantasy writer ever, so the above quotes are probably gritty and realistic, but you just don't realize it.

I hear the next book is going to be titled "Everyone You Like Dies".

...oh, right. He's probably not going to get the next book finished before he dies.

[Malanek]

Jazharah wrote...

So I can say ****, ****, vagina, and snatch but not c**t?
English speaking people are silly. Actually, I don't know of any other language where there's such a fuss over profanity.

EDIT: oh.. guess I couldn't say those words after all LOL. Even worse.

It is the context it has historically been used in. Vagina is the correct term, the others are used in in insulting or condescending ways. This isn't limited to english either. Most (all?) Latin derived languages have similar issues. Google "roman profanity wiki" for an interesting read in ancient profanity. Oddly enough a variation of the c word seemed to be most insulting back then as well.

[187 Lifeless]

I think DA2 should be swearing and nudity Spartacus Blood and Sand style. I'm all for it.

[GodWood]

Avilia wrote...
*eyes her unread copy of A Game of Thrones and realises why she couldn't get past the first chapter*

Read it.

Now.

[drahelvete]

Jazharah wrote...

So I can say ****, ****, vagina, and snatch but not c**t?
English speaking people are silly. Actually, I don't know of any other language where there's such a fuss over profanity.

EDIT: oh.. guess I couldn't say those words after all LOL. Even worse.

Hm. Other than some racial slurs, I can't think of a single word that is considered taboo in my language...

[Jazharah]

Malanek999 wrote...

Jazharah wrote...

So I can say ****, ****, vagina, and snatch but not c**t?
English speaking people are silly. Actually, I don't know of any other language where there's such a fuss over profanity.

EDIT: oh.. guess I couldn't say those words after all LOL. Even worse.

It is the context it has historically been used in. Vagina is the correct term, the others are used in in insulting or condescending ways. This isn't limited to english either. Most (all?) Latin derived languages have similar issues. Google "roman profanity wiki" for an interesting read in ancient profanity. Oddly enough a variation of the c word seemed to be most insulting back then as well.

Interesting indeed. Maybe it's just my native language (dutch) then that doesn't seem to make such a taboo out of it. Actually, the dutch form of c**t is pretty much used as much as 'sh*t' in US english, without the continuous self-censoring. It pretty much sounds the same too. It's awesome to yell out loud when you hurt yourself. Relieves a lot of stress heh.

Anyway... to get back on topic: I do think there should be a close watch on profanity, and the BioWare motto "cautiously and impactful" (or what was it again? not sure if I remember right) is spot-on in my opinion. ME2 had the right amount of profanity with the right characters. Zaeed and Jack cursed my ears off, but considering their background it was fitting (whether I liked it or not - it made their character more colorful and 'real'), while Miranda, Tali and Mordin were spic-n-span with their language, which in turn fit them perfectly as well for the same reasons.
Considering how BioWare has applied coarse language in the past, I fully trust them to do it right in DA2. I'm actually looking forward to the 'time-appropriate' variations they'll come up with (someone mentioned BlackAdder before?)

2 cents.

PS. I think Tali would actually be quite cute if she'd start talking dirty.. but I'll leave that up to the fanfic out there.