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[caradoc2000]

Bahlgan wrote...

I always considered imagining playing an RPG in which by the time you had beaten the game, you could try a secret difficulty in which a New Game Plus would be required

You mean like the Jade Master difficulty in Jade Empire?

[Bahlgan]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

I always considered imagining playing an RPG in which by the time you had beaten the game, you could try a secret difficulty in which a New Game Plus would be required

You mean like the Jade Master difficulty in Jade Empire?

Perhaps, if that does exist. I do know that such innovation can be incorporated in the Onimusha games. In the third game with Jacques Blanc, there was a Devilish difficulty (hardest without question) and all powerups in game were strongly advised just to even stand the ghost of a chance.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Bahlgan wrote...

More irritating to me is the lack of preparing your character for tougher scenes via grinding in case your characters were completely underleveled or undergeared...

Bahlgan, but of course you can do lots of sidequests, chanter's board, Blackstone irregulars, Mages collective, etc., before or between doing the main quests. These sidequests give you a lot of in-game and out-game experience and levels over time.

[BringerOfChaos]

OP here



Jesus, this got too many replies! I can't keep up with all of them.



Any who, NG+ is just important to me like that. Especially if it's a RPG.

If a game doesn't have new game plus I only play through it once.



And that makes it a waste of money in my eyes.



The only game that I let get away with not having it is Metroid and the legend of Zelda. Those games CAN'T have NG+



There's no excuse for DA:O

[Marvin_Arnold]

Yes there is. It's not built that way. That's also why there are six Origins.

[BringerOfChaos]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Yes there is. It's not built that way. That's also why there are six Origins.

It wouldn't have dismantled the game to put it in there. 

I really couldn't give a [McMuffin] about the origins. 

[inappropriate language edited]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[Zy-El]

Well, then obviously, this is NOT the game for you. I gather that you like RPG's such as Diablo2 and Dungeon Siege which are example of ng+. Frankly, I got bored of those games because it was too much of the same thing. I derive only so much pleasure from squashing the same ant with my foot for the hundredth time.

There are mods for DA:O that add new locations and combat situations. And if you want to be uber-powerful, there is a level-50 mod that lets your PC level up to level 50. The RAVage mod can be used to tweak treasure drop rates and opponent difficulty. Given these combinations of mods, I as a player have been able to tweak this game to being as difficult and rewarding as I want. And I do like changing it up with different Origins - male and female; Elf or Dwarf or Human, Mage or Warrior or Rogue.

[Bahlgan]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Bahlgan, but of course you can do lots of sidequests, chanter's board, Blackstone irregulars, Mages collective, etc., before or between doing the main quests. These sidequests give you a lot of in-game and out-game experience and levels over time.

I love calculations, and I love math. After completing all of the side quests for Human Noble, ALL of the sidequests that a Human Noble can do, and leveling my Warden without the Lothering trap glitch until the end of the Archdemon's reign, I only managed to level to 23. Most unfortunately this includes SP, WK, and RtO, and still no max level for my Warden by the time I beat the game. To me, this is a no no... The lack of being able to hit max level was an insult to my tastes in RPG featurettes and calculations.

My point is that these shouldn't have to be obtained through mods, but despite this, I plan to start my PC playthrough so I may achieve my way of playing through the game as I normally do. This is why I can relate to the Chaos Man, even though he was being a tad left-minded with his initial post.

Modifié par Bahlgan, 17 janvier 2011 - 11:02 .

[Eurypterid]

BringerOfChaos wrote...

I really couldn't give a **** about the origins. 

That's a major point of the game design. I'd have to agree that this jsut isn't the game for you.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try and keep the language PG rated, please. Thank you.

[yullyuk]

BringerOfChaos wrote...

 I'm talking to my friends yesterday about video games and he recommends DA:O to me.
He explained it and it sounded pretty cool.

So then I asked him if it had newgame + and he said no. Naturally, I then said the game could go eat [sammiches] and bunch of other stuff about why it's retarded. 

It really is a shame when I can't get a game because of this. It sounded fun but [forget] that. 

Just to check, I looked under the unlockable section on gamespot. No newgame + but the game had DLC out the [wazoo].
Nice one.

I sure do love paying for things I should've already gotten with the game.

inb4 bio[sadness]

so your telling me that you wont buy this game which has amazing replay value in its choices, story, character classes and development because it doesn't have a new game + feature... thats absolutley stupid rpgs a form of story telling not a gimic, besides the main game itself can take over 80 hours to complete to so why are you stopping yourself buying this?
[inapprorpiate language edited]

so your telling me that you wont buy this game which has amazing replay value in its choices, story, character classes and development because it doesn't have a new game + feature... thats absolutley stupid rpgs a form of story telling not a gimic, besides the main game itself can take over 80 hours to complete to so why are you stopping yourself buying this?

Modifié par yullyuk, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:03 .

[BringerOfChaos]

Eurypterid wrote...

BringerOfChaos wrote...

I really couldn't give a **** about the origins. 

That's a major point of the game design. I'd have to agree that this jsut isn't the game for you.

I guess. 


Stanley woo so crazy. 

[187 Lifeless]

I hate when people come on here and complain how they don't want to play DA. Then, why are you on the DA forum?? A billion games don't have NG+, who cares?? I guess we should toss them all in the garbage. Usually the use of the R word signifies all I need to know about the person posting anyway.

[avado]

BringerOfChaos wrote...

I think that about sums it up.  NG+ sounds like something designed for kiddies.  DAO isnt for kids!  It is intelligent, creative, and it doesnt have commercials every 10 mins for toys.  I am in shock that this wasnt locked about 2 pages back...

I just wanted to say that, while I can see that it would be "cool" to have a fully geared lv 25 at the start, what would be the point?  I modded a game with some EXCELLENT writing and the result was my character was lv 25 BEFORE I started the third recruit.  Boring as hell to know that you wont even get hit. 

In my mind, its why there are Trix and why there are Mini Wheats.  Trix are for kids.

[Bahlgan]

avado wrote...

I think that about sums it up.  NG+ sounds like something designed for kiddies.  DAO isnt for kids!  It is intelligent, creative, and it doesnt have commercials every 10 mins for toys.  I am in shock that this wasnt locked about 2 pages back...

With respect, and I understand Chaos is annoying others as yourself, but this is an opinion which I take extreme offense to. I may not be a middle aged man, but I am old enough to know that NG+ is not a "kids restricted" sort of aspect in RPGing. While Chaos might be boyish in his attitude, there are many others who support NG+ without the necessity to act the same way.

I just wanted to say that, while I can see that it would be "cool" to have a fully geared lv 25 at the start, what would be the point?  I modded a game with some EXCELLENT writing and the result was my character was lv 25 BEFORE I started the third recruit.  Boring as hell to know that you wont even get hit.  

I made a few points back in the threat earlier. You can build stimulating responses based on those if you wish.

It seems this thread has become a total troll fest though. It's too bad, I feel as if I have made many points in here and I hope that there are many who have developed a sense of enlightenment stemming from my POV on RPGs.

Modifié par Bahlgan, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:04 .

[Elthunder]

Imo come back when you learn abit more English, it's almost imossible to see if you like the game or not.

So Im guessing your either about the age of 6 or from germany sorry, I guess not all germans are bad, so I should'nt have said that, but noone can deny that alot of them are, otherwise they would'nt have to dub everything.

The only thing I did understand is that you did'nt like how they have handle the whole thing about official DLC's and there I agree, because I think it should have been in the game from the start.

Still if you get the Ultimate edition it is, the largest problem is that you can have some problem getting them installed, but with abit of aksking around that is not a very large problem either.

Modifié par Elthunder, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:27 .

[Marvin_Arnold]

Bahlgan wrote...

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Bahlgan, but of course you can do lots of sidequests, chanter's board, Blackstone irregulars, Mages collective, etc., before or between doing the main quests. These sidequests give you a lot of in-game and out-game experience and levels over time.

I love calculations, and I love math. After completing all of the side quests for Human Noble, ALL of the sidequests that a Human Noble can do, and leveling my Warden without the Lothering trap glitch until the end of the Archdemon's reign, I only managed to level to 23. Most unfortunately this includes SP, WK, and RtO, and still no max level for my Warden by the time I beat the game.

I misunderstood you - I thought you meant what to do if your level is too low for certain quests or boss fights. Therefore I suggested you change the order you do things - sidequests before big quests.

Anyway, you did better than I do - I only get to lvl 22 usually, including the same DLC and all possible quests. Not that I actually care... my character wouldn't go around and tell people: "HI, I'm the saviour of Ferelden, but what's more important: I'm level 23." 

[Marvin_Arnold]

Elthunder wrote...

So Im guessing your either about the age of 6 or from germany sorry, I guess not all germans are bad, so I should'nt have said that, but noone can deny that alot of them are, otherwise they would'nt have to dub everything.

Well, from the way you savage the english language, and your grammatical and orthographical errors, I guess you are from the US? So much for prejudices. There are 100 million German speakers in central Europe, so dubbing movies just pays off for the movie companies and is a nice commodity for the viewers. (It wouldn't pay off to dub movies in Icelandic, since there are only 300,000 of them. So they get them in English.) Nevertheless, most Germans speak fluent English. At least better than you write.

I'm from Germany, by the way. And I found your post immature and prejudiced. You never know who might read them.

[Elthunder]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Elthunder wrote...

So Im guessing your either about the age of 6 or from germany sorry, I guess not all germans are bad, so I should'nt have said that, but noone can deny that alot of them are, otherwise they would'nt have to dub everything.

Well, from the way you savage the english language, and your grammatical and orthographical errors, I guess you are from the US? So much for prejudices. There are 100 million German speakers in central Europe, so dubbing movies just pays off for the movie companies and is a nice commodity for the viewers. (It wouldn't pay off to dub movies in Icelandic, since there are only 300,000 of them. So they get them in English.) Nevertheless, most Germans speak fluent English. At least better than you write.

I'm from Germany, by the way. And I found your post immature and prejudiced. You never know who might read them.

Heh, no, Im not from either US or UK, Im actually from Sweden, and I never said my English was perfect, but I do belive people usually understand what Im writing ;D also I don't really care if the grammar is perfect or not, just that it's possible to understand what someone is trying to say.

And I guess I have just met or talked to the wrong peole then, because most of the germans I have met has been more or less impossible to understand, and many of them haven't known a single word, they just shake their heads. We have quite afew in Sweden actually and those I have met could'nt speak English or Swedish, I would think that you should try to adapt abit.

But as I said, the statement was'nt really meant for all germans.

[Gecon]

What the *** is "newgame" ?

[Gecon]

soteria wrote...

@HolyAvenger:
Replaying the game with the same character from the beginning, with all your gear and experience from the prior playthrough.

Aaaah ok.

I remember that "feature" from Diablo2 and IWD2 ... not that it was of any point.

[moilami]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Yes there is. It's not built that way. That's also why there are six Origins.

It wouldn't have dismantled the game to put it in there. 

I really couldn't give a [McMuffin] about the origins. 

[inappropriate language edited]

LOOOOOOL, is that really a mod editing his post? Or does the OP write himself that McMuffin? I guess it is mod but one can't never know.

[Elthunder]

Probably done by a mod, if you read the rest of the posts, I doubht he even knew that a word like that existed but I don't know ;D

From my perspective I think the OP should have gotten some more info about the game before buying it, because it surely sounds like he wants a diablo like game, hack and slash, and not a roleplaying one.

Well, actually I will probably get Diablo 3 also, but thats about it for me and hack and slash games, most of them get boring very fast.

Modifié par Elthunder, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:24 .

[moilami]

That really made my day xD Especially when the OP has written on the first post "I deny you your ninja emotes".

The mod also ninja editet him to write "game could go eat [sammiches]" xD Sammiches WTF! I didn't know what are sammiches and dict.org did not know either. Google picture search showed some example and Urban Dictionary told more.

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1. sammich 1353 up, 85 down


A sammich is a type of sandwich. However, it is not just any kind of sandwich. Any old schmuck can throw lunchmeat between two slices of bread and have a sandwich.

But no. A sammich is not just a sandwich, it is not just a meal. Sammich is a term reserved for only the holiest and mightiest of all sandwiches. A sammich is a true work of culinary art; a feast on a bun, if you will. A sammich is not made of the best ingredients; it is made of the *right* ingredients. It needs the right meats, and the right cheese(s), the right sauce, the right veggies, and the right kind of bread.

Taking footlong sub bread and throwing every kind of meat and cheese and everything else under the sun or in your kitchen pantry on it does not a sammich make. It is akin to an incohesive mishmosh of colors on an artist's easel.

Sandwiches make a good snack, but sammiches are forever.
I'm having a sammich for dinner tonight.

**/

I will for sure eat a sammich today!

To the OP: DA not having a new game+ doesn't really matter much. At least I don't miss that kind of feature at all. The game is easy enough so that after your first playthrough your next playthrough will feel like newgame+

(Big thumbs up for mod who did those ninja edits.)

Modifié par moilami, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:47 .

[Ambeth]

I will just add to the chorus that Newgame+ is totally unnecessary in DA and if it existed, I would never use it (rather like I never used it in ME2 and never will). Quite aside from the RP element of why my character would want to relive all that, there's also the fact that there's nothing in the game I couldn't handle on the first play through - and I will NEVER claim to be good at combat. Nearly everything levels with you (and does it better than Oblivion ever did. One shouldn't think of it as 'leveling' in Oblivion, so much as 'moving the difficulty slider up') and the two things I can think of that don't are a) optional and utterly beatable with the levels you can get in the timeframe you can face them in.



If you just want to be godlike... that's one of the things mods are for.