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[Dayshadow]

BringerOfChaos wrote...

 I'm talking to my friends yesterday about video games and he recommends DA:O to me.
He explained it and it sounded pretty cool.

So then I asked him if it had newgame + and he said no. Naturally, I then said the game could go eat [sammiches] and bunch of other stuff about why it's retarded. 

It really is a shame when I can't get a game because of this. It sounded fun but [forget] that. 

Just to check, I looked under the unlockable section on gamespot. No newgame + but the game had DLC out the [wazoo].
Nice one.

I sure do love paying for things I should've already gotten with the game.

inb4 bio[sadness] <-- buttmad mods

[inapprorpiate language edited] I deny you your ninja emotes

I hear you, brother!

You can't start a brand new game for the very first time with NG+. WTF BIOWARE?!?!  DragonAge = !!!EPIC FAIL!!!

That's what I hate about Mass Effect as well.  I actually have to play the game and enjoy it FIRST and then - THEN - get about NG+?? No way! No how. Not EVER!! No NG+ out of the box = no deal.

That's why I don't play any video games whatsoever. 

[soteria]

Bahlgan wrote...

I love calculations, and I love math. After completing all of the side quests for Human Noble, ALL of the sidequests that a Human Noble can do, and leveling my Warden without the Lothering trap glitch until the end of the Archdemon's reign, I only managed to level to 23. Most unfortunately this includes SP, WK, and RtO, and still no max level for my Warden by the time I beat the game. To me, this is a no no... The lack of being able to hit max level was an insult to my tastes in RPG featurettes and calculations.

You could have made use of the turn-ins, which easily allow you to reach the level cap even without DLC.

[avado]

Bahlgan wrote...

avado wrote...

I think that about sums it up.  NG+ sounds like something designed for kiddies.  DAO isnt for kids!  It is intelligent, creative, and it doesnt have commercials every 10 mins for toys.  I am in shock that this wasnt locked about 2 pages back...

With respect, and I understand Chaos is annoying others as yourself, but this is an opinion which I take extreme offense to. I may not be a middle aged man, but I am old enough to know that NG+ is not a "kids restricted" sort of aspect in RPGing. While Chaos might be boyish in his attitude, there are many others who support NG+ without the necessity to act the same way.

I didnt say "kids restricted", I said "designed for kiddies".  There is a difference.  Also, you should take a look at HOW you wrote your comment.  You are EXTREMELY offended by an OPINION, really?  Opinions are the cheapest commodity on earth.  Everyone has one.  To be offended by an opinion means that, at some level, it is something you are resisting within yourself.  I didnt mean to offend, as I am sure that 90% of these forums are people under the age of majority.  I just struggle with why someone would EVER consider laying 70+ hours of a game to make the "best" character, to only want to take that character back to the start and play it all again.  There was talk about wasted time in playing again, but the way I see it, its a bigger waste to replay with the same character with full gear!  I mean, you have read ALL the dialogue already, so those become click bys.  You are killing stuff WAY below your level, so there is no challenge.  There isnt any excitement cuz you cant die.  There isnt any wonder as to what you will find.  You have it all.  I guess the only thing would be, to play naked, but then that defeats the point in having all the end game gear..  I just dont get it 

Us "old" timers (speaking of real age, not time spent playing this game - cuz in that sense, I am a new guy) play for different reasons i guess.  Being all powerful isnt one of them (unless you get there with skill which can be done VERY easily when you know the game). 

[Elthunder]

avado wrote...

Bahlgan wrote...

avado wrote...

I think that about sums it up.  NG+ sounds like something designed for kiddies.  DAO isnt for kids!  It is intelligent, creative, and it doesnt have commercials every 10 mins for toys.  I am in shock that this wasnt locked about 2 pages back...

With respect, and I understand Chaos is annoying others as yourself, but this is an opinion which I take extreme offense to. I may not be a middle aged man, but I am old enough to know that NG+ is not a "kids restricted" sort of aspect in RPGing. While Chaos might be boyish in his attitude, there are many others who support NG+ without the necessity to act the same way.

I didnt say "kids restricted", I said "designed for kiddies".  There is a difference.  Also, you should take a look at HOW you wrote your comment.  You are EXTREMELY offended by an OPINION, really?  Opinions are the cheapest commodity on earth.  Everyone has one.  To be offended by an opinion means that, at some level, it is something you are resisting within yourself.  I didnt mean to offend, as I am sure that 90% of these forums are people under the age of majority.  I just struggle with why someone would EVER consider laying 70+ hours of a game to make the "best" character, to only want to take that character back to the start and play it all again.  There was talk about wasted time in playing again, but the way I see it, its a bigger waste to replay with the same character with full gear!  I mean, you have read ALL the dialogue already, so those become click bys.  You are killing stuff WAY below your level, so there is no challenge.  There isnt any excitement cuz you cant die.  There isnt any wonder as to what you will find.  You have it all.  I guess the only thing would be, to play naked, but then that defeats the point in having all the end game gear..  I just dont get it 

Us "old" timers (speaking of real age, not time spent playing this game - cuz in that sense, I am a new guy) play for different reasons i guess.  Being all powerful isnt one of them (unless you get there with skill which can be done VERY easily when you know the game). 

It was a very long time since I played it now, but I actually think the mobs leveled with you in games like diablo, so replaying wouldn't nessesarely mean that you became overpowered, I also belive that you could get better drops etc. Still the game was the same storywise though, even if hack and slash games don't have much of a story to begin with usually.

Modifié par Elthunder, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:19 .

[Elthunder]

This game is rather easy if comparing to Baldursgate for example, because if you'r main character died, that was it, also I often finding myself not haveing to do much pausing either like in BG, not sure how many times I had to reload at times in BG 2 because I didn't use the right spells on my enemies, depending on what they are useing.

In this game, I just have to survive with one char and all other rises again if I manage to kill the enemy, very convinient tbh ;D

Modifié par Elthunder, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:18 .

[Zahe]

Why is this thread still open? Some guy come in here and says he's not going to play the game and act as if we are supposed to care despite him having the manners of Scarface while other posters are discussing something that would be better served by creating a new thread.



Maybe it's me just not getting it, /shrug.

[Bahlgan]

soteria wrote...

You could have made use of the turn-ins, which easily allow you to reach the level cap even without DLC.

Could you please tell me what you mean by turn ins? If by that you mean turning in the quests, then yes I turned in every quest and still didn't each max level by the end of the game.

I didnt say "kids restricted", I said "designed for kiddies".  There is a difference.

Perhaps, but what you said encourages the thought that it is designed FOR kids, which is farther from the truth than you could know. Plenty of titles out there with NG+ for the 18 - 24 year old audience. 

Also, you should take a look at HOW you wrote your comment.  You are EXTREMELY offended by an OPINION, really?  Opinions are the cheapest commodity on earth.  Everyone has one.  To be offended by an opinion means that, at some level, it is something you are resisting within yourself.

I get offended by opinions the same way everyone else does.

I didnt mean to offend, as I am sure that 90% of these forums are people under the age of majority.  I just struggle with why someone would EVER consider laying 70+ hours of a game to make the "best" character, to only want to take that character back to the start and play it all again.  There was talk about wasted time in playing again, but the way I see it, its a bigger waste to replay with the same character with full gear!  I mean, you have read ALL the dialogue already, so those become click bys.  You are killing stuff WAY below your level, so there is no challenge.  There isnt any excitement cuz you cant die.  There isnt any wonder as to what you will find.  You have it all.  I guess the only thing would be, to play naked, but then that defeats the point in having all the end game gear..  I just dont get it  

Unless you read my reasons earlier in the thread, then I would encourage you to take a mere few seconds. If you have and still do not think it makes sense to you, then that is the end of our conversation, since there is nothing else I can do to explain it to you. 

And it is NOT a waste of time to see how powerful your character is from all the fruits of labor you have wielded in him/her. You may feel that way, but let me assure you that it is always fun just to see that there is a massive amount of difference to know that your character has grown since the first playthrough. Again, Chrono Trigger and the Onimusha series, and plenty of other games, incorporate this New Game Plus feature, also to allow you to cover the tracks you failed to do so in the first walkthrough.

As for your comment on defeating replayability on games: Some people who play the NG+ feature are not anywhere near concerned about it, they are die hard fans of the game to the point to where they won't let the lack of a different environment bother them from playing again. After all, how many times have you played through a game before worrying about replayabiltiy issues? I can play through a game about a half dozen times on average before saying that I wouldn't want to play this game anymore because I know it all. That's what difficulties are for, to challenge the palette; another reason to have New Game+, which is something else I mentioned earlier.

 

Modifié par Bahlgan, 18 janvier 2011 - 11:23 .

[avado]

Elthunder wrote...
It was a very long time since I played it now, but I actually think the mobs leveled with you in games like diablo, so replaying wouldn't nessesarely mean that you became overpowered, I also belive that you could get better drops etc. Still the game was the same storywise though, even if hack and slash games don't have much of a story to begin with usually.

How on earth can you compare d2 to dao?  DAO is STORY driven.  You go to a certain spot and the SAME item (for the most part) is there.  There is no mystery.   The odds of getting item x is 100% AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW THE STORY!  If you dont do the story, you dont get the item AND you dont play the game.    Also, the areas dont respawn, so once you cleared an area, well, its sort of done (except for the STORY driven encounters)!

D2 is NOT any of that.  If there was a story, i have LONG since forgotten, and I played d2 for 1.5 years DAILY, and I was fairly good at it.  For a player like that to not remember why he killed BAAL 1000's of times is clear as to the motive for that game.  It is NOT story driven!   The chance of finding items was VERY poor!  Very poor!  In d2, the motivation was to find better gear and you did that by magic finding.  That was the draw, to make powerful characters and not everyone had the same gear (which would happen in DAO cuz, well, its all the same).

If you are looking for D2 style, RUN, dont walk from dao.  Not even in the same universe of game play style.  \\

Just so we are clear, when you go to map 1 and arrive at location 1 and EVERY TIME the same stuff is there, the replay value WITH THE SAME CHARACTER becomes boring to totally wasteful.  There is an inherant drawback to getting everything you ever wanted!  Playing it again becomes useless as, you already have it all!  LOL  I guess there are those that HOPE that maybe, item x wont be at location 1, though it has been 10 times before... i hope.

[Bahlgan]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

I misunderstood you - I thought you meant what to do if your level is too low for certain quests or boss fights. Therefore I suggested you change the order you do things - sidequests before big quests.

Anyway, you did better than I do - I only get to lvl 22 usually, including the same DLC and all possible quests. Not that I actually care... my character wouldn't go around and tell people: "HI, I'm the saviour of Ferelden, but what's more important: I'm level 23." 

Sorry lol don't mean to double post, but I didn't see your response earlier, my bad 

What you said makes perfect sense; to change the order to quests completed or chapters done to make things easier. But doesn't the leveling system of monsters increase as you progress further into the game?

Say for instance in the Brecillian Forest: If you do this chapter first after Redfcliffe, wouldn't monsters there be level 8 or 9, compared to them being level 20 or 21 if you saved it for after Orzammar, Redcliffe, and the Circle Tower? I always wondered if the monsters were allayed at a fixed level or if they changed based on which order certain chapters were finished.

And lol on your statement earlier, "Oh yea guys, I am the Warden Commander of Ferelden and I have performed a purge on Denerim, saving everyone from the Archdemon's clutches. Did I ever tell you I am NOT the most powerful hero in Ferelden? I am actually quite weak, am only level 19 because I failed to do everything for everyone who mattered to me the most. See this raccoon over there? It's level 21, so IT is more powerful than I am!"

Modifié par Bahlgan, 18 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[jervoisonfire]

If you want epic NG+ then i suggest playing Demon's Soul's, that's a hack and slash RPG in which there is no limit to the amount of times you can replay the story so it can end up as like NG+++++++++++++++++++++ lol, getting harder every time. Plus you can get your character up to lvl 999 or something, so pretty epic replayability. On top of that you can duel other people which is awesome 'cause there's so many different builds you can do.

[soteria]

Bahlgan wrote...

Could you please tell me what you mean by turn ins? If by that you mean turning in the quests, then yes I turned in every quest and still didn't each max level by the end of the game.

Not without resorting to spoilers. I'll PM you.

@avado

Actually, I think saying that a given feature is "designed for kiddies" is potentially pretty offensive. If you really are old (which I honestly doubt) you should know this.

[bzombo]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Elthunder wrote...

So Im guessing your either about the age of 6 or from germany sorry, I guess not all germans are bad, so I should'nt have said that, but noone can deny that alot of them are, otherwise they would'nt have to dub everything.

Well, from the way you savage the english language, and your grammatical and orthographical errors, I guess you are from the US? So much for prejudices. There are 100 million German speakers in central Europe, so dubbing movies just pays off for the movie companies and is a nice commodity for the viewers. (It wouldn't pay off to dub movies in Icelandic, since there are only 300,000 of them. So they get them in English.) Nevertheless, most Germans speak fluent English. At least better than you write.

I'm from Germany, by the way. And I found your post immature and prejudiced. You never know who might read them.

thanks for being the same insulting jerk as the poster you  were responding to. i guess you're prejudiced too.