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[Meyne]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
If Cassandra and Meredith got into a fight, would Meredith kick Cass' backside to Orlais and back?

To Nevarra and back, maybe. Meredith is not to be ****ed with.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about!

[October Sixth]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

Cassie must not be a very effective Seeker if a Templar knight-commander can whoop her. Aren't Seekers supposed to be the Chantry inquisition?

You don't become knight-commander by being second-best.

[redneck nosferatu]

I wouldn't think you would become an inquisitor by being second best, either.

[Meyne]

Inquisitors I wouldn't call "ass-kickers" by any means. They're the interrogators after they have you in their custody. They have to know how to be persuasive by intimidation via words or actions (but again, once you're already in custody, so you're either confined or guarded against fighting back).



A Knight-Commander is the head of a force. A position that requires a lot of foot-work early on to rise in ranks, even if you were born from a noble family. You gotta prove to your troops you are the bad-ass that they should listen to. So yeah, I could see Meredith being a tough cookie and perhaps Cassandra being highly sure of herself but not necessarily the best blade on the field.

[October Sixth]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

I wouldn't think you would become an inquisitor by being second best, either.

She seems like she can handle herself, but the field leader of a military order has to be bona fide B.A.

Modifié par October Sixth, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:30 .

[Xewaka]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

Morroian wrote...
Like I said above Rivain appears to be even more of a relevant example that the threat is not as great as implied. Tevinter is still a repressive society from the sound of it, but Rivain isn't.

Can't say I've come across the reference before, where does it get mentioned?

In one of the Codexes, Brother Genetivi talks about the Rivani wise women letting spirits into them.
These might be mages (no way to tell) but it's literally one sentence. I'm not sure how we can infer a low risk here.

That's clearly innuendo. Of the sexual kind.

Modifié par Xewaka, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:45 .

[HolyAvenger]

I get the sense that Seekers are more of an all-rounder type- there's a lot more strings to Cassandra's bow than mere combat, whereas Meredith is a specialist in that area.

[Lotion Soronarr]

wulfsturm wrote...

But eh, I digress. I am no fan of one group of people suppressing another group of people, no matter how warrented it may be.

Do you hate the police then too?

I just find this view....strange, given the readiness to ignore the reasoning.

I mena, people acuse templars for persecuting mages becasue their faith tells them to. The fact that policing mages is also the most logical and necessary course of action seesm to escape them.

I wonder wolf..what about quaranteens? We shouldn't quaranteene people..EVER.
After all, supression is NEVER warranted. You said that yourself...

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:36 .

[IAmTheVoid]

Well, this just won't do. This character clearly isn't wearing enough. She should at least be in an armour plated tank. I believe that BioWare are going downhill with such ridiculously showy and indecent characters.



[/endsarcasm]



Seriously, though. I'm a fan of badass women. Badass women in bulky armour is the epitome of the former. I'm looking forward to getting told to take my ass back home by her.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sharn01 wrote...

In my eyes its a very easy answer,and that answer is that it is punishment.  I am not foolish enough to believe that there should not be a force dedicated to the protection of the people should a mage ever abuse their power or in the instance of one becoming and abomination.  But a force ready to act against a possible threat is far different then assuming they are a threat to begin with and treating them as such from the moment they are found to be mages.

What you fail to realise is that by that time it's already too late. If a mage lives in a  vilalge and becomes an abomination, by hte time a response team arrives, the village will be in ruins.
And it would require too much resources and manpower to have anti-abomination squads in every village.

Funny how poeple often ignore the realities of the situation and simple things like logistics.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sharn01 wrote...
 Well, maybe you can enlighten me to how frequent the actual threat of abominations are?  I realize there will be superstitions and fears regardless of how often it happens, but the mages and the templars will have a better idea since they actually deal with these threats.  It cant be commonplace, the impossibility of that would boggle my mind because it would be to far fetched if it just happened all the time.  It also seems that a demon cant control a mage unless they agree to it, they can be tricked or tortured into agreeing, but they have to let the demon in. 

At the same time, since I played a mage, the templars are explicit on not letting the mages know that the demon will try to trick them or torture them into agreeing to let it in, that a physical confrontation is useless to the demons goals of possession, they seem to want the mages to figure it out on their own, and are surprised when some fail.  Thats like telling someone to bungee jump without teaching them how to tie the lines or measure the cord, just handing them the equipment and saying figure it out on your own, and by the way, you only have a so much time to figure it out on your own or we are throwing you over the bridge whether or not your ready.

We dont' have any numbers on how common abominations or blood mages are. You should ask David that question. But I suppose teh answer would be "common enought that the templars were created".


Regarding the Harrowing - it makes sense if you ask me. It's also a test of character.
If you told the mage what to do, he could simply tell the demon "no" that time, and invite him in later (after all, anyone smart enough, even if he wants to be possesed, will wait for a better time). In other words, the Harrowing would be useless as a test.

While the method used is more dangerous, I bet it's better at weeding out succeptable people.

[Soul Cool]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
If Cassandra and Meredith got into a fight, would Meredith kick Cass' backside to Orlais and back?

To Nevarra and back, maybe. Meredith is not to be ****ed with.

This cheers me immensely. I want to see her like drain the blood out of a person's body just by glaring at them hard enough or something equally ridiculous and awesome.

As you can tell, I'm a budding fan of blood magic. =P

[Lotion Soronarr]

Meyne wrote...

Inquisitors I wouldn't call "ass-kickers" by any means. They're the interrogators after they have you in their custody. They have to know how to be persuasive by intimidation via words or actions (but again, once you're already in custody, so you're either confined or guarded against fighting back).

A Knight-Commander is the head of a force. A position that requires a lot of foot-work early on to rise in ranks, even if you were born from a noble family. You gotta prove to your troops you are the bad-ass that they should listen to. So yeah, I could see Meredith being a tough cookie and perhaps Cassandra being highly sure of herself but not necessarily the best blade on the field.

Altough I hesistate to apply badassery-levels to titles that can mean a lot, methinks you are correct.

That said, we all know why Varric, the slick rouge,  was Captured by Cassandra. Isn't it obvious? It's because:
www.youtube.com/watch

[elirian_19]

She looks awesome.



The fact that she's a Gaider-character only makes me even more excited to get to know her.

[Dellingr]

Morroian wrote...

There are other ways, children could be taught from an early age, mages themselves are the best people to fight abominations so why shouldn't they rather than the chantry be in charge mages as a whole, running schools, forming a paramilitary wing to deal with abominations etc. Mages still subject to restrictions and laws because they can be dangerous but with more of an element of self determination.

Also we have the example of Rivain which can hardly be overrun by abominations.

This, also the Tevinter Imperium, while not very nice in other respects like the slavery, isn't filled with abominations despite being led in both governmental and religious fashions by mages

I think the templars are okay people by and large (many of the ones we meet in Origins are great people) and are just working with the orders they're given and it's good to have people "on the beat" to take down evil spellcasters and abominations, though the mages need more self determination and to be treated like proper free citizens once they've been trained and proved themselves capable of handling their power. Their current situation just creates more Uldreds.

But the situation isn't the templars' fault, it's the fault of the Chantry's interpretation of Andraste's teachings. I agree there's a risk with having no rules about who can do magic when, mandatory training to use one's magic responsibly and in such a way as to minimise one's risk of possession is definitely warranted, as are the phylacteries to track them down if they go bad, but once they're trained and tested thuroughly and you have their blood, I think they deserve to be trusted a bit more

Maria Caliban wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I
just really, really, really hope the Templars and Chantry aren't
completely painted as terrible religious zealots and jerks in DA2. It
seems to be an easy avenue to paint religious types as misguided
villains in all sorts of fiction and Origins did a decent job of not
falling into that.

Show them doing some shady stuff, sure. But also show the Chantry and Templars doing some "good" stuff too.

Seconded.

Thirded, the issue of Mages is a favorite one of mine because both sides have very good arguments and both sides are right to an extent. Let's not spoil it by making one or the other side only saints or villains rather than the excellent mix both are thus far

Ziggeh wrote...

Just how high is that risk? The Tevinter
Empire makes me wonder, because placing mages in positions of authority
just seems to be asking for demonic shenanigans, and for even the
concept of a magocracy to get off the ground they either have a really
harsh version of the Harrowing, or the threat is not as prevelant as the
Chantry might suggest.

Well even if you assume
the risk is pretty high as a baseline, it can be drastically reduced
with training, and I'd imagine that the best people for understanding
the risks and how to manage them effectively are the more experienced
mages, mages are motivated to avoid possession and keep their free will,
obviously.

Yeah, I'd say the tevinter imperium would have far
more intense training and testing procedures, their rulers know the
risks first hand so they have a good idea of what's needed to manage the
risks of possession properly, it's not in any government's interest to
have abominations running around smashing things.

If all else fails, really mages are best-equipped to fight abominations


but anyway, I like Meredith already, though not as much as I like Cassandra

[HighMoon]

The question must be asked: What type of food would Meredith be?



(And while we're at it, what kind of food would Cassandra be?)

[Marionetten]

Golden-Rose wrote...

The question must be asked: What type of food would Meredith be?

She'll be fried chicken once mage Hawke is done with her.

[Sir JK]

Dellingr wrote...

This, also the Tevinter Imperium, while not very nice in other respects like the slavery, isn't filled with abominations despite being led in both governmental and religious fashions by mages

This might be because, short of feeding their templars lyrium, the Tevinter Imperium (modern version) maintains the same safety procedures as the rest of Andrastian Thedas does. Mages are still restricted to the circle, mages still must go through the harrowing, templars still police them. The only difference is that there some mages, the magisters, are in command.

[Morroian]

Dellingr wrote...

Well even if you assume
the risk is pretty high as a baseline, it can be drastically reduced with training, and I'd imagine that the best people for understanding the risks and how to manage them effectively are the more experienced mages, mages are motivated to avoid possession and keep their free will, obviously.

Yeah, I'd say the tevinter imperium would have far more intense training and testing procedures, their rulers know the
risks first hand so they have a good idea of what's needed to manage the risks of possession properly, it's not in any government's interest to have abominations running around smashing things.

If all else fails, really mages are best-equipped to fight abominations

Well said, you've said what I was trying to say but better.

[nightcobra]

Morroian wrote...

Dellingr wrote...

Well even if you assume
the risk is pretty high as a baseline, it can be drastically reduced with training, and I'd imagine that the best people for understanding the risks and how to manage them effectively are the more experienced mages, mages are motivated to avoid possession and keep their free will, obviously.

Yeah, I'd say the tevinter imperium would have far more intense training and testing procedures, their rulers know the
risks first hand so they have a good idea of what's needed to manage the risks of possession properly, it's not in any government's interest to have abominations running around smashing things.

If all else fails, really mages are best-equipped to fight abominations

Well said, you've said what I was trying to say but better.

the only problem i see with the tevinter imperium is that they're biased towards mages when assigning people for important prestigious jobs.

tevinter imperium, racist towards "muggles"/normals, whatever you want to call them:devil:
 

[Steve236]

I feell liek shes going to get along fine with my mage as well ass a Skinhead **** with a IDF commando in the same room.

[Big I]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

the only problem i see with the tevinter imperium is that they're biased towards mages when assigning people for important prestigious jobs.

tevinter imperium, racist towards "muggles"/normals, whatever you want to call them:devil:
 

It's no worse than anyone else - the dwarves hate the castless, Andrastians hate the mages, nobles hate the commoners, and humans hate the elves. Even the qunari, despite saying "everyone is equal under the Qun" seem to have a society of humans, elves and qunari with the qunari in charge as well as leashing mages.

My main problem with the Imperium is it still practices slavery.

[HoonDing]

rodgerage wrote...

   

This is Meredith. Knight-Commander of the templar's and initially prevents access to hawke and his companions to kirkwall.

WH40k called. They want their Adepta Sororitas back.

[lostspline]

Ziggeh wrote...
Ahhh, right, that's spirits though. Different beasty.

http://dragonage.wik...rits_and_Demons

Typically, we misuse the term "spirit" to refer only to the benign, or
at least less malevolent, creatures of the Fade, but in truth, all the
denizens of the realm beyond the Veil are spirits.

Demons are spirits.