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[The Elder King]

@Ispeakthe truth: Mages hadn't created the Wardens. The first Wardens were Anders soldier (and some mages proably) who DESERTED the empire's army to fight darkspawn. And for what we know, there's the possibility that they brought darkspawn.

And Tevinter's empire last long for his magic. Before the Blight, they were nearly invincible with their magic (and the world wasn't "safe". Everyone could be easily took from the magister to became a slave). After the Blight, they had crossed a path of decadence.

I don't agree with all the Chantry said (first af all because Andraste probably didn't want the mages reclused), and I understand the mages who seek more freedom. But Tevinter Empire isn't the mighty proctector of Thedas, . They still have slavery. And outiside the magister and the nobles, the people here live a miserable lifes Personally, I'm glad if the qunari conquer Tevinter

[ISpeakTheTruth]

*Evil mage persona*



You know what is ironic? You two whine about how horrible the lives of the slaves were but what about your system? Look me in the eye and tell me Elves are some how better off because of your system, They truth is the select few are astill in charge of everyone else ans lord their power over others the only diffence is that they are 'noble's and we are mages.



The codex says that although under the Tevinter the lives of an elven slave was worse than what the current Chantry run system has the Elven alienages in the Tevinter are actually better off than anywhere else in Thedas. Most slaves allow themselves to become slaves so that the money they recieve for selling themselves into slavery will go to their family's. The 'evil empire' you curse so much at the end of the day those we control have better lives under us than they do under you. You let the elves starve to death in their run down shacks. The elves here can feed their familys and have a future.



As for the slaves that died yes, many died. But they died to help us build the greatest empire in all of Thedas. You say what we built was horrible and yet every major structure we've ever seen in Fereldan was made by us. (Ostagar, The Circle, Drake tower) How nice it must be to complain how what we made was horrible and then in the same breath build your entire society on the back of what we built for you.



We've never said that we were saints but your Chantry are hypocrites. They say slavery is wrong but they put mages in chains and they make all the people who serve them into drug addicts all so they can keep their thumb on everyone. Oh yes the Chantry is so different than us isn't it?

[Aldandil]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

You know what is ironic? You two whine about how horrible the lives of the slaves were but what about your system? Look me in the eye and tell me Elves are some how better off because of your system, They truth is the select few are astill in charge of everyone else ans lord their power over others the only diffence is that they are 'noble's and we are mages.
 

If I had to be oppressed, I'd rather be oppressed by someone who can't read my mind, can't control my body or use my blood in strange experiments. The current state of the elves isn't exactly related to the current state of mages, considering that elves are oppressed by social and socioeconomic factors, not political.

Just a question, does *Evil Mage persona* mean the same thing as *troll*? I'm not saying that your trolling for real, and you might very well have these opinions, but you do come off a bit as baiting people to debate.

[The Elder King]

I'm not a Chantry follower. The Chantry system is far from perfection. I can even say that the Chantry system is bad. But the old Tevinter is far worse. Slaves weren't pay. They can't feed their families. Do you really think that if the Tevinter paid their slaved, the were going to rebel against Tevinter? The elves in Tevinter were treated worse than the Chantry (and you should know that Chantry' treatment of elves is for me AWFUL and DISGUSTING).

Sure, the Tevinter built great things. Nobody said the contrary. But the people in Tevinter were ruled by fear, and you don't have a clue if abominations were here or not (actually, Gaider stated the contrary). And about the modern Tevinter we don't know quite nothing, except that they're a decadent nation.

[Reaverwind]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The codex says that although under the Tevinter the lives of an elven slave was worse than what the current Chantry run system has the Elven alienages in the Tevinter are actually better off than anywhere else in Thedas. Most slaves allow themselves to become slaves so that the money they recieve for selling themselves into slavery will go to their family's. 

That people are desperate enough to sell themselves into slavery indicates just how much worse Tevinter is.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:32 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Yep because if you're a mage and the Chantry judges you too dangerous they'll press Lyrium into your body and basically suck your soul out of you... yep I see a real difference between the two.



No, my 'Evil Mage Persona' is my devil's advocate position in regards to mages and their position in the DA universe. My real opinion is that mages should be free but they should have to go into a Templar/or mage center to be checked to make sure there's no possession happening. I don't believe that mages should rule the world just like I don't believe any one group of people should rule the world. If a mage would make a good ruler than I say make him/her a ruler and just have screening tests to insure no instability.



I do however think that the Chantry is largely a tryant just like the Tevinter was they just hide behind religion to justify the evils that they do to people. Besides whats wrong with debates? Debates are fun things that allow us to really see how people feel about an issure. Debates = good.

[The Elder King]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Yep because if you're a mage and the Chantry judges you too dangerous they'll press Lyrium into your body and basically suck your soul out of you... yep I see a real difference between the two.

No, my 'Evil Mage Persona' is my devil's advocate position in regards to mages and their position in the DA universe. My real opinion is that mages should be free but they should have to go into a Templar/or mage center to be checked to make sure there's no possession happening. I don't believe that mages should rule the world just like I don't believe any one group of people should rule the world. If a mage would make a good ruler than I say make him/her a ruler and just have screening tests to insure no instability.

I do however think that the Chantry is largely a tryant just like the Tevinter was they just hide behind religion to justify the evils that they do to people. Besides whats wrong with debates? Debates are fun things that allow us to really see how people feel about an issure. Debates = good.

Well, I agree with you opinion. And I agree that Chantry did a lot of bad things. But you should remember that they have direct control in their templar's army and some cities (Kirkwall). Orlais, Nevarra and Antiva aren't ruled by the Chantry.

[Aldandil]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Yep because if you're a mage and the Chantry judges you too dangerous they'll press Lyrium into your body and basically suck your soul out of you... yep I see a real difference between the two.

No, my 'Evil Mage Persona' is my devil's advocate position in regards to mages and their position in the DA universe. My real opinion is that mages should be free but they should have to go into a Templar/or mage center to be checked to make sure there's no possession happening. I don't believe that mages should rule the world just like I don't believe any one group of people should rule the world. If a mage would make a good ruler than I say make him/her a ruler and just have screening tests to insure no instability.

I do however think that the Chantry is largely a tryant just like the Tevinter was they just hide behind religion to justify the evils that they do to people. Besides whats wrong with debates? Debates are fun things that allow us to really see how people feel about an issure. Debates = good.

Sure, debates are good. It was this whole persona presentation that had me wondering, so I thought I should ask. Debates where one part does not care about the arguments (i.e. a troll) are pointless.

I'd also like to add that even today, if society considers someone to be a danger to her/himself or others, people are locked up if it is believed that they can't control themselves. There is a bit of a difference between the Rite of Tranquility and using other peoples blood at a whim.

[pumpkinman13]

any Meredith FC banners going around?

[Dr. wonderful]

Wow, she is wow.



David, you out written yourself.

[HolyJellyfish]

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On the demo, you have the option of checking out the credits. Listed are the voice actors of the main companions, followed by secondary VAs. Meredith is among the main nine NPCs/PCs in the credits (Fenris, Bethany/Carver, Hawke, Anders, Aveline, Merrill, Isabela, and Varric).

Someone suggested that the list may just be characters that have the most weight. Which is odd to me, since Cassandra, Orsino, and even Sebastian (Who is a DLC) aren't listed.

Regardless. Just throwing it out there. I'm going to take a ganter, based on the Credits list, that Meredith is indeed a secret companion.

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[Purple People Eater]

Hmm...interesting.

[HolyJellyfish]

She's written by Gaider, and she looks pretty damn important. She maybe the game's Loghain. For all we know, we may have to sacrifice Anders in order to gain her loyalty.

[HolyAvenger]

Nice work. I had a thought she might be.

[Calla S]

Ooooooh, I hope so! If that's the case, she may end up in my party even more often than Loghain did.

[HolyJellyfish]

Not much focus on Meredith since her reveal a month ago, but I'm more intrigued by her.

Her voice actress is also Jean Gilpin. She has a lovely voice. You can find clips of it on her website.

Her clips are American Standard, but she's british. Shows her range.

[Morroian]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

She's written by Gaider, and she looks pretty damn important. She maybe the game's Loghain. For all we know, we may have to sacrifice Anders in order to gain her loyalty.

I would hope Bioware doesn't just repeat that plot mechanic.

[KnightCommander]

I hope we can kill her and take her armor lol

[HolyJellyfish]

Morroian wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

She's written by Gaider, and she looks pretty damn important. She maybe the game's Loghain. For all we know, we may have to sacrifice Anders in order to gain her loyalty.

I would hope Bioware doesn't just repeat that plot mechanic.

Its been done before with Samara. Its possible she's simply just a secret companion, but I just don't see Anders liking that idea. At. all.

[HolyAvenger]

She looks awesome. I suppose some of the apostate members of your party won't be so happy if you side with her (Anders is a good guess, though there's also Merrill and also either Hawke or Bethany) and will leave so she's a replacement of sorts.



Many of BioWare's secret companions have some sort of redemption story line (OK, at least Sarevok and Loghain) so I wonder if the trouble is Kirkwall is started by her heavyhandedness and the Chantry demotes her to go with Hawke and fix this sh*t.

[Shiro_the_Gambler]

Morroian wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

She's written by Gaider, and she looks pretty damn important. She maybe the game's Loghain. For all we know, we may have to sacrifice Anders in order to gain her loyalty.

I would hope Bioware doesn't just repeat that plot mechanic.

Same here.  Now that's not to say I wouldn't love to subvert a templar, not to mention the Knight-Commander with just the force of personality alone.  I think that would be awesome.  Maybe you could lose one of your other companions that way.  Aveline (as much as I love her) probably wouldn't like it.

[Morroian]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Morroian wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

She's written by Gaider, and she looks pretty damn important. She maybe the game's Loghain. For all we know, we may have to sacrifice Anders in order to gain her loyalty.

I would hope Bioware doesn't just repeat that plot mechanic.

Its been done before with Samara. Its possible she's simply just a secret companion, but I just don't see Anders liking that idea. At. all.

One of the achievements revolves around gaining her respect I think. Maybe the schism in the chantry involves the Kirkwall chantry splitting off from the rest of Thedas much like how the Tevinter chantry split. 

[HolyJellyfish]

HolyAvenger wrote...

She looks awesome. I suppose some of the apostate members of your party won't be so happy if you side with her (Anders is a good guess, though there's also Merrill and also either Hawke or Bethany) and will leave so she's a replacement of sorts.

Many of BioWare's secret companions have some sort of redemption story line (OK, at least Sarevok and Loghain) so I wonder if the trouble is Kirkwall is started by her heavyhandedness and the Chantry demotes her to go with Hawke and fix this sh*t.

I can see that.

I was just a little surprised at first that Gaider was only writing ONE companion character, and an optional one at that (Fenris) seeing as he usually has a lot more weight with the NPCs (DA:O).

If she is a secret companion, I am very interested in how she will interact with the other characters, as I imagine a good chunk will have their beef with her. And I am definitely interested in how she will interact with MageHawke/Bethany.

[MasterSamson88]

I've always liked the controversy between the Chantry and the Circle of Magi. Just very well written and handled. I find it very interesting.

[Maria Caliban]

If the OP is still around, it's Templars not Templar's.