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[HolyAvenger]

Greenishio wrote...

Risax wrote...

And yet there are a sh*tload of people at the Meredith thread...
But then again she has 'slightly' more info.

I'm sure if there's a picture showing Orsino being a good-looking chap, there'd be tons of interest.

Or if Gaider himself came into this thread and started dropping hints.

[atheelogos]

Risax wrote...

Well if Orsino is a Blood Mage (Leader) and Meredith is commander of the Templars in Kirkwall it would make sense that they fight.

out of curiosity if you guys had to choose between the two factions, who would you side with?

[atheelogos]

Risax wrote...

@Wulfstrum.
Then maybe he is just trying to start a rebellion in Kirkwall, and he attracted some Blood Mages?
Like I said, you can see the statues of 3-headed Dragons in the Blood Mage hideout in Denerim in
Dragon Age:Origins

At the end of the game we know that the world is about to go to war. And I think I know what its about. Mark my words people the issue that puts the world on the brink of war has to do with magic.

[commanderVal]

HolyAvenger wrote...

What about the Tevinter blood mage in the Alienage?

Those mages never truly made you *feel* challenged did they? I mean, BioWare did an amazing job with the Architect and Flemeth. I could feel the characters' advantage over my warden in that I knew I was actually not the underdog there, but they made me feel like I was. With the mages in the alienage, I actually only felt a challenge in picking the right team. Given that my primary playthrough was as a champion/templar he posed *no* threat to my party if i also took Alsitair and Wynne. That was th same for most blood mages in the game. And as for good blood mages, we had Jowan whose only crime was utter idiocy.
I could count the number of intimidating characters in the series on one hand- which is quite a disappointment.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

It the Destiny trailer the viscount of Kirkwall was slain by Arishok. And Howke than takes the viscount circlet and here is an interesting possibility.



What is he will have to choose the next viscount and it will be either Meredit or Orsino?

Either is a very conflicting situation.



In a case with Meredit she is a templar leader who should not take the government under her rule directly. This may cause templars in the other regions of Tedas to attempt to come in direct charge of politics.



In a case with Orsino it is even more complicated. He is an elf and a mage- this may cause grate unrest in the circles and alinages as elves and mages will try to gain more self-support and will probably start rebellions against being the second class.

[commanderVal]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

It the Destiny trailer the viscount of Kirkwall was slain by Arishok. And Howke than takes the viscount circlet and here is an interesting possibility.

What is he will have to choose the next viscount and it will be either Meredit or Orsino?
Either is a very conflicting situation.

In a case with Meredit she is a templar leader who should not take the government under her rule directly. This may cause templars in the other regions of Tedas to attempt to come in direct charge of politics.

In a case with Orsino it is even more complicated. He is an elf and a mage- this may cause grate unrest in the circles and alinages as elves and mages will try to gain more self-support and will probably start rebellions against being the second class.

Mages are not allowed to have their family's titles or lands associated with them- much less an apostate and maleficar.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

commanderVal wrote...

Mages are not allowed to have their family's titles or lands associated with them- much less an apostate and maleficar.

So templars, who gave their life to the duty.

But what IF Howke will lead one of them, templar od mage to the ruling position?
It sure as hell will bring all Thedas on a brink of war.
And that is main plot of DA2-why world war is near and what Howke`s role in all this mess.

I think that reason for an oll continental war should be really, really ground braking. And what is more ground braking as mage or templar come to rule in some country that is not Imperium?

Only if Howke will bring evidences that Maker is a lie=).

[atheelogos]

Risax wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Risax wrote...

@Wulfstrum.
Then maybe he is just trying to start a rebellion in Kirkwall, and he attracted some Blood Mages?
Like I said, you can see the statues of 3-headed Dragons in the Blood Mage hideout in Denerim.

Eh, its possible. It's also possible he is a blood mage himself, and that is why he wants to seperate from the Chantry, I couldn't really tell you either way.

Well there is a lot of Templar vs Mage speculation going on, so yes.

Yeah thats right on the money seeing as the devs have said the Templars have an iron grip on the Circle in Kirkwall.

[commanderVal]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

commanderVal wrote...

Mages are not allowed to have their family's titles or lands associated with them- much less an apostate and maleficar.

So templars, who gave their life to the duty.

But what IF Howke will lead one of them, templar od mage to the ruling position?
It sure as hell will bring all Thedas on a brink of war.
And that is main plot of DA2-why world war is near and what Howke`s role in all this mess.

I think that reason for an oll continental war should be really, really ground braking. And what is more ground braking as mage or templar come to rule in some country that is not Imperium?

Only if Howke will bring evidences that Maker is a lie=).

It is not inconceivable that templars could run a city- although it would be highly impractical. Templars are seen as protectors by the public and they are under the chantry's orders. People in Thedas generally view the chantry as something good. Lothering, once abandoned by the arl, was looked after by the chantry and its templars. I'm just saying its more possible than mages running a city- especially an elven blood mage.

[Eorion_Moonwing]

commanderVal wrote...

It is not inconceivable that templars could run a city- although it would be highly impractical. Templars are seen as protectors by the public and they are under the chantry's orders. People in Thedas generally view the chantry as something good. Lothering, once abandoned by the arl, was looked after by the chantry and its templars. I'm just saying its more possible than mages running a city- especially an elven blood mage.

I am agree that it is more possible-end probably the "lesser evil" and "status quo" solution.
But never the less even this ending will stir some powers in the Thedas.

And as I understand people of Kirkwall know more about not-so-saint side of a templar`s as this city all in their iron fist.

There is also many free and more equal elves that left since qunari occupation.
And if the one who defended the city, the Champion, is a mage, or his sister is a mage I am sure that people of Kirkwall will not be SO against mage as a viscount. 

But all of it is just a speculation on my part^_^.

[Xewaka]

If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

[Greenishio]

Xewaka wrote...

If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

I don't know why this made me lol, but yes agree.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I don't see that happening.



1) both "candiadates" for the position are not someone I would pick.



2) Why would Hawke determine who the next Viscout is? The whole selection thing was already stretched in DA:O, where everyone follows the Wardens lead.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xewaka wrote...

If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

I don't really see why every choice must be a moral one?

Why not a practical one? A logistical one?

Meh...at hte end of hte day, as long as hte options I have and the consequences are consistent and well-thought, I couldn't care less if is it's white, black, grey or checkered.

[commanderVal]

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

commanderVal wrote...

It is not inconceivable that templars could run a city- although it would be highly impractical. Templars are seen as protectors by the public and they are under the chantry's orders. People in Thedas generally view the chantry as something good. Lothering, once abandoned by the arl, was looked after by the chantry and its templars. I'm just saying its more possible than mages running a city- especially an elven blood mage.

I am agree that it is more possible-end probably the "lesser evil" and "status quo" solution.
But never the less even this ending will stir some powers in the Thedas.

And as I understand people of Kirkwall know more about not-so-saint side of a templar`s as this city all in their iron fist.

There is also many free and more equal elves that left since qunari occupation.
And if the one who defended the city, the Champion, is a mage, or his sister is a mage I am sure that people of Kirkwall will not be SO against mage as a viscount. 

But all of it is just a speculation on my part^_^.

True. We're all just speculating. But people seldom change easily. Whether they know what the templars can be like or not, they will still fear mages because anyone with the skill to fight and enough dedication can be a templar- its not the same about mages.
Humans as a rule fear that which is different. No form of government is inherently "good" as it gives power to others to "rule" over their peers and is more often than not prone to abuse. However we, in real life, choose democracy as it gives us the illusion of choice- a lesser evil. That's why I made such a long speech.
Aaaaaaaanywho- I'm sure they'll think up a way to put the mages on the throne if need be. Who am I to say they won't? I'm just an abandoned warden.

[nightcobra]

atheelogos wrote...

Risax wrote...

Well if Orsino is a Blood Mage (Leader) and Meredith is commander of the Templars in Kirkwall it would make sense that they fight.

out of curiosity if you guys had to choose between the two factions, who would you side with?

i'd make peace between the two of them:innocent: and then unite the two factions under MY banner:devil:

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 17 janvier 2011 - 12:31 .

[AlexXIV]

One has to wonder why people 'dabble' in bloodmagic. Is it just curiousity or is it ambition? Anyway I doubt people do get into it 'innocently'. That's like saying people innocently wear guns. I mean people with guns are not all bad, but they know what they are doing. Adult people that is.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:17 .

[AlexXIV]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Risax wrote...

Well if Orsino is a Blood Mage (Leader) and Meredith is commander of the Templars in Kirkwall it would make sense that they fight.

out of curiosity if you guys had to choose between the two factions, who would you side with?

i'd make peace between the two of them:innocent: and then unite the two factions under MY banner:devil:

Well seems like a  ... boring concept for a video game.

The Chantry must fall, so it can be rebuilt. Like pheonix from the ashes. And this time with less hypocrisy and bigotry.

[nightcobra]

AlexXIV wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Risax wrote...

Well if Orsino is a Blood Mage (Leader) and Meredith is commander of the Templars in Kirkwall it would make sense that they fight.

out of curiosity if you guys had to choose between the two factions, who would you side with?

i'd make peace between the two of them:innocent: and then unite the two factions under MY banner:devil:

Well seems like a  ... boring concept for a video game.

The Chantry must fall, so it can be rebuilt. Like pheonix from the ashes. And this time with less hypocrisy and bigotry.

nah, i'd rather unite the two and direct their attention to the qunari, the big horned guys with cannons and mage slaves.

hawke says to meredith and the grand cleric:
the chant of light must be sung and heard in qunari lands.

hawke says to mages:
they imprison your brothers, your sisters, your kin and strip them of their own will. join me and we shall bring freedom to these mages.

the i'll just watch the chaos unfold between the 3 factions:devil: 

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

There was a bunch of those triple-headed dragon statues in the basement of the Vigil. Perhaps a hint of what is to come, in case you missed the Denerim statue.

But hope there are more options than siding with either the templars or the blood mages. But it looks like there are several factions, so I am not too worried.

[Xewaka]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

I don't really see why every choice must be a moral one?
Why not a practical one? A logistical one?
Meh...at hte end of hte day, as long as hte options I have and the consequences are consistent and well-thought, I couldn't care less if is it's white, black, grey or checkered.

Precisely. I want both parties to be morally questionable so the choice can be based on something which isn't good vs evil, but rather which is the best way for Hawke to attain whatever he seeks to attain.
Such as Bodhi vs the Thieves' Guild in Baldur's Gate 2.

Modifié par Xewaka, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:40 .

[AlexXIV]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

There was a bunch of those triple-headed dragon statues in the basement of the Vigil. Perhaps a hint of what is to come, in case you missed the Denerim statue.
But hope there are more options than siding with either the templars or the blood mages. But it looks like there are several factions, so I am not too worried.

Obviously they revered dragons (the old gods) before the Chantry. The Maker as such was supposedly revered before the Old Gods, then people sort of turned to dragon worship, and then after Andrastae they turned back to the Maker (represented by the Chantry). So my guess is the dragon statues origin from the time when all of Thedas (at least the humans) worshipped the Old Gods.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[AlexXIV]

Xewaka wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

I don't really see why every choice must be a moral one?
Why not a practical one? A logistical one?
Meh...at hte end of hte day, as long as hte options I have and the consequences are consistent and well-thought, I couldn't care less if is it's white, black, grey or checkered.

Precisely. I want both parties to be morally questionable so the choice can be based on something which isn't good vs evil, but rather which is the best way for Hawke to attain whatever he seeks to attain.
Such as Bodhi vs the Thieves' Guild in Baldur's Gate 2.

Wouldn't that be more like 'it doesn't matter which side since the result is the same'?

[Xewaka]

AlexXIV wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
If such a conflict shapes out, I certainly hope it's more on the lawful vs. chaotic axis of morality. I want true grey vs grey, rather than "dusty white vs lighted black".

I don't really see why every choice must be a moral one?
Why not a practical one? A logistical one?
Meh...at hte end of hte day, as long as hte options I have and the consequences are consistent and well-thought, I couldn't care less if is it's white, black, grey or checkered.

Precisely. I want both parties to be morally questionable so the choice can be based on something which isn't good vs evil, but rather which is the best way for Hawke to attain whatever he seeks to attain.
Such as Bodhi vs the Thieves' Guild in Baldur's Gate 2.

Wouldn't that be more like 'it doesn't matter which side since the result is the same'?

I was reffering to the morality issue, not the gameplay issue.

[ReallyRue]

atheelogos wrote...

Risax wrote...

Well if Orsino is a Blood Mage (Leader) and Meredith is commander of the Templars in Kirkwall it would make sense that they fight.

out of curiosity if you guys had to choose between the two factions, who would you side with?

I'd depend on what the templars/mages were like. If the mages were going to set up some kind of Circle that was run and policed by mages, then I'd support them. But if it was some 'anything goes' deal then I'd go for the templars. Tbh though, I agree with the approach that Wynne takes - that the templars serve a necessary function in regard to mages, just like police in real life serve a necessary function. You can't trust everyone to be good so there must be people to counteract the bad. What I don't think is good is how much power the Chantry has over the whole situation.

Hopefully, in the game the mages and templars will not be 'evil mages vs templar protectors' or 'oppressed mages vs dictator templars'. I want to be a proper decision for why I would support one or the other. Same goes for Orsino if he was the leader of the (blood) mages. I'd want good reasons for why he chose blood magic and what he'd do with mage freedom.