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[JamieCOTC]

I suspect DA2 will be about the same length of ME2, about 25 - 35 hours depending on level of play. btw, will there be mountain mining in DA2, something like planet scanning to stretch out the play time? (joking, joking)

[In Exile]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I suspect DA2 will be about the same length of ME2, about 25 - 35 hours depending on level of play. btw, will there be mountain mining in DA2, something like planet scanning to stretch out the play time? (joking, joking)

Of course, the problem with claims like these is that YMMV; I have never had an ME2 playthrough of less than 32 hours, and even without DLC my longest was 40, when I did absolutely everything. With Overlord and Lair of the Shadow Broker, that clocks it up to 50.

[raziel3080]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I suspect DA2 will be about the same length of ME2, about 25 - 35 hours depending on level of play. btw, will there be mountain mining in DA2, something like planet scanning to stretch out the play time? (joking, joking)

OHH GOOD GOD! HELL NO! Though in this game, i wold suspect it would be something like awakenings were you go n find a piece of material and take it back to Kirkwall for the miners to mine up for you. It's already been confirmed that herbalism will be done by the merchants...so no worries there...

About the guide...the only way i will get it will be at a dicounted price when I pick up DA 2 in the store...and that will be only because I like collecting guides for all my RPGs. The length will probadly vary for me...starting at around 40 to 50 hrs and probadly averaging about 35 to 40 hrs...

Modifié par raziel3080, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:13 .

[TheCreeper]

Calla S wrote...

My Fable 3 guide is almost 450 pages long. Explain that one.

I have that, most of is pretty much fluff or stff related to minor sidequests like demon doors.

Fable 3 had a rather short story.

Modifié par TheCreeper, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[Urazz]

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

At the worst, it's a lack of side quest content and depth which I don't think bothers everyone too much.  RPGs are losing the crazy amount of hours they have for side quests and non-main story related content so it makes it alot shorter than they used to be.

Modifié par Urazz, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:23 .

[Beaner28]

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

Pretty much. The Doomsayers will be vindicated.

[Beaner28]

errant_knight wrote...

The game is shorter, so it makes sense that the guide will be shorter. That doesn't mean that what there is will lack content and depth.

uh...actually, that is exactly what a shorter game means

[Beaner28]

David Gaider wrote...

DA2 is shorter than DAO.

But you're still gonna charge us $60 for it.

Edit: Before some moron quotes this to bring up replay value, let me say this. The only time it is justifiable to have a short single player experience is if we're talking about games with an extensive multiplayer component. DA 2 has none. Even if you think DA 2 has replay value (in your opinion) DA:O's replay value in comparison is beyond reproach. We will not have the variety of choice in race, origins and itemization to justify multiple playthroughs this time.

Sadly, it's the consumer that gets shafted. You guys are the fools that fork over $60 for half-assed sequels. After the disaster that was Witch Hunt, I really don't see how BioWare can still maintain this flawless reputation with some people.

Modifié par Beaner28, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:48 .

[Dhiro]

Beaner28 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

DA2 is shorter than DAO.

But you're still gonna charge us $60 for it.

Uhum. ~

[Bryy_Miller]

People still use guides?

[Thiefy]

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

It could also be a different font or text size. However, I would would gather that since this is the second installment of the series there is probably a lot less of the lore being explained either because it's already been explained once and thus is viewed as "common knowledge" (like grey wardens are needed to end the blight)/redundant or that a smaller amount of lore is introduced to us in DA2 simply because there is no need for more, just yet.

[Bryy_Miller]

Beaner28 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

Pretty much. The Doomsayers will be vindicated.

If they are vindicated, they are not doomsayers. Unless you like to be dissapointed or something.

[Jiggasaurus]

A litte bit surprised to see people still use guids given the information availiable via the internet these days, I do however have the "Prima official strategy guide" for Baldur's Gate II Shadows of Amn (It looks like a battered old Tome now though), which happens to be just under 300 pages. Take from that what you will lol,

[koshiee]

David Gaider wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...
Umm 288 isn't considered a lot of pages?

That's where I was.

DA2 is shorter than DAO. Beyond that, I'm not so certain that strategy guide length is a good barometer of playtime. Even so, 288 pages sounds like a lot of reading.

and yet for some reason it's $10 more expensive.....hmmm..
just as well though DAO had some tedious garbage sections in it.

[TheCreeper]

So question is the 288 pages the Collectors or regular edition?

edit: okay according to amazon it is the Collectors, but that doesn't mean it will be a much shorter crappier game like all the doomsayers want it to be.

Modifié par TheCreeper, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:34 .

[TheCreeper]

sorry to double post but I felt this warranted it's own post, The guide is pretty close to the number of pages as Mass Effect 2.

[upsettingshorts]

My Hearts of Iron III guide was a couple dozen pages long and it makes Dragon Age: Origins seem about as complex as tic-tac-toe.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:52 .

[wulfsturm]

Beaner28 wrote...
But you're still gonna charge us $60 for it.

Edit: Before some moron quotes this to bring up replay value, let me say this. The only time it is justifiable to have a short single player experience is if we're talking about games with an extensive multiplayer component. DA 2 has none. Even if you think DA 2 has replay value (in your opinion) DA:O's replay value in comparison is beyond reproach. We will not have the variety of choice in race, origins and itemization to justify multiple playthroughs this time.

Sadly, it's the consumer that gets shafted. You guys are the fools that fork over $60 for half-assed sequels. After the disaster that was Witch Hunt, I really don't see how BioWare can still maintain this flawless reputation with some people.

Yes, the sky is falling! Quickly, put on your tinfoil hat before you'll be swept away by the tide of insanity!

[Piecake]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

Pretty much. The Doomsayers will be vindicated.

If they are vindicated, they are not doomsayers. Unless you like to be dissapointed or something.

It almost seems like he wants DA2 to be bad just so he can say that he was right

[raziel3080]

Piecake wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

Pretty much. The Doomsayers will be vindicated.

If they are vindicated, they are not doomsayers. Unless you like to be dissapointed or something.

It almost seems like he wants DA2 to be bad just so he can say that he was right

Basically, he does...judging from his post...

But...I can't take anyone seriously with JORY of all characters as their avatar! <_<

[Nyaore]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

It could also be a different font or text size.

And supplementary material like screenshots, boss/enemy information, and maps.
It's amazing how much you can expand a piece of work through these factors alone. Probably the biggest real life example of this were the differences between the Morrowing and Oblivion strategy guides respectively. Morrowind's, or at least the copy that I own, was horrendously barebones in the creative department. Black and white, small text, several columns to a page, and a very sparing use of screenshots unless there was no way around it. They got as much information as they could into the guide without forcibly expanding it's length by too much.
Oblivion's guide on the other hand looks to be about the same size at a glance, I need to pull them both out and compare the page length one of these days, but unlike Morrowind's guide is packed to the nines with screenshots, larger text and margins, and so on and so forth. As far as word count, I think it's at least 5,000-10,000 words less than Morrowind's guide as well, and yet the way they set it up makes it looks to be of about equal length.
Long story short, don't judge the amount of content in the guide by it's page length alone. It's the amount of content that's shoved into each page that matters, not the length.

Modifié par Nyaore, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:15 .

[TheCreeper]

Piecake wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Beaner28 wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

408 vs 288.

Indicative of lack of content and depth?

Pretty much. The Doomsayers will be vindicated.

If they are vindicated, they are not doomsayers. Unless you like to be dissapointed or something.

It almost seems like he wants DA2 to be bad just so he can say that he was right

that because he does, He and the other doomsayers are upset over one or some of the changes and they basically can't stand the fact that their are people who are actually  okay or even like the changes.

[In Exile]

Beaner28 wrote...

But you're still gonna charge us $60 for it.

So what you're suggesting is either that games that are shorter than DA:O are all cheating you, or you are basically getting insane amounts of free content from Bioware?

Because I can't see any other way this argument is even remotely coherent.

[In Exile]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My Hearts of Iron III guide was a couple dozen pages long and it makes Dragon Age: Origins seem about as complex as tic-tac-toe.

This game is made of pain. I have not found a way to not get massacred yet. It has shattered my self-esteem.

I blame you, since it was you first mentioning it on the forum that made me get it.