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[Fromyou]

If you think about it is the Illusive Man really that evil. Sure at points he tricks you but what you discover is important things. While unethical he still finds out major things. It seems like he focuses more on the end justifies the means.

Edit: Okay the standard for evil is harmful, selfish, out for only one's gain, murderer, and things like that

Modifié par Fromyou, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:24 .

[LorDC]

What "evil" is?

[JRCHOharry]

More like ambitiously stupid.

[Dean_the_Young]

Is he evil in what sense? Overall effect on the galaxy? Willingness to accept harm? Value of sentient life? Idealism? Ambition?


TIM and Cerberus have had a hand and responsibility in a number of horrible things, but also have been indispensable in resolving far greater dangers that overshadow the rest by magnitudes upon magnitudes. As a net force on the galaxy? No, he and Cerberus have done far more good than harm. In a sense that any evil is too much, regardless of sum totals? Yes, he is evil, in the same sense that a Paragon Shepard who breaks just once and abuses power/murders someone for personal reasons is evil.

He's done harm, and a lot more good. He's never been close to a Hitler figure, while he has worked against genocidal forces.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 17 janvier 2011 - 04:58 .

[Someone With Mass]

I wouldn't call him evil.



He just needs to be a bit more realistic and less...stupid.

[J0HNL3I]

he tries to be good for humanity but he end up doing more harm to them (like jack or project overlord or all the side missions on Me 1 to do with them)

[Ozzy57]

I say he's evil....he just wants humans to dominate at all cost, resulting in deaths of humans and has no concern for other races/species in the ME universe

[omgodzilla]

Without the Illusive man, the galaxy would've been completely ****ed. Hes alright in my books.

[LorDC]

J0HNL3I wrote...

he tries to be good for humanity but he end up doing more harm to them (like jack or project overlord or all the side missions on Me 1 to do with them)

Pragia or Overlord didn't harm humanity in any way.

[jbblue05]

Good and Evil is all perspective.



If your politically correct than he's evil

If you're a realist TIM is doing what has to be done

[J0HNL3I]

LorDC wrote...

J0HNL3I wrote...

he tries to be good for humanity but he end up doing more harm to them (like jack or project overlord or all the side missions on Me 1 to do with them)

Pragia or Overlord didn't harm humanity in any way.

i meant human's lives aswell as humanity as a whole i mean jack is pretty ****ed up and well you cant say any good came out of what they did to david

Modifié par J0HNL3I, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:23 .

[Barquiel]

jbblue05 wrote...

Good and Evil is all perspective.

If your politically correct than he's evil
If you're a realist TIM is doing what has to be done

Yes, I am sure that Akuze, Pragia, Trapdoor, etc. had to be done...

You have a funny definition of "realism"

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[Saren100]

As can be seen from my avatar I support tim more then I used to support Udina.



Emporer Udina is no match for TIM



The greater good takes precedent a few die so many many more can live.

[jbblue05]

Barquiel wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Good and Evil is all perspective.

If your politically correct than he's evil
If you're a realist TIM is doing what has to be done

Yes, I am sure that Akuze, Pragia, Trapdoor, etc. had to be done...

You have a funny definition of "realist"

 Most definently.

You have no evidence of Akuze except for some homocidal maniac that killed alliance Scientists

Trapdoor was a huge success and you know it

Pragia was mishandled if Miranda was in charge I'm sure things would be similar to the Alliance Ascension program.

If only it was so easy to have complete success with no drawbacks or negatives

[Swerodent]

He´s chaotic stupid.

[AdmiralCheez]

He's not evil, nor is he stupid, but he seems to be slightly off his rocker. I don't trust him, and I find his cause to be highly disagreeable and his methods disgustingly extreme, but you can at least count on him to do something for the good of humanity.



Or for the good of Cerberus, anyway. Of course, according to him, "Cerberus is humanity," so... yeah. Bonkers. He's lucky he's useful.

[Shadesofsiknas]

I can see why people would consider him evil. But you know what they say. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.



I see him as an invaluable leader in the resistance to the Reapers. Something that far precedes any other matter in the galaxy. If that means that a few have to be sacrificed so be it. My view is that I would rather stand trial after the Reapers are beaten than the alternative.

[Moiaussi]

JRCHOharry wrote...

More like ambitiously stupid.

Most likely this. Since we only ever see him as a hologram though, I am still holding out hope that he will end up being revealed as a Prothean AI set up to watch over humanity, sort of the second foundation to Vigil's first.

It would explain why EDI had prothean DNA data as a baseline, how TIM could hack distress calls remotely, and a few other current TIM related plot holes.

[Barquiel]

jbblue05 wrote...

 Most definently.

You have no evidence of Akuze except for some homocidal maniac that killed alliance Scientists

Trapdoor was a huge success and you know it

Pragia was mishandled if Miranda was in charge I'm sure things would be similar to the Alliance Ascension program.

If only it was so easy to have complete success with no drawbacks or negatives

It doesn't matter if it was a success, none of these things were necessary or "had to done".

We know...
Thresher maw > alliance marines (Who would have thought it?)
a death camp for children = one powerful biotic (great!)
They abducted asari girls, and experimented on them in order to find ways to take their biotic abilities away (now this benefits humanity)

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:51 .

[Mecha Tengu]

illusive man is chaotic neutral

[xX N7 Xx]

If it wasn't for TIM Shepard would be dead (still)

[Mecha Tengu]

Ozzy57 wrote...

I say he's evil....he just wants humans to dominate at all cost, resulting in deaths of humans and has no concern for other races/species in the ME universe

and how is that "evil"?

[Fixers0]

 He is a terroist, and that's enough for me to know

Modifié par Fixers0, 17 janvier 2011 - 05:43 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Strictly as a character within the universe, TIM is absurdly reckless, possibly psychopathic, and borderline incompetent.



He's failed a lot, and that's a big deal when you're dealing with the high stakes research stuff he tends to oversee. And imagine if those few times he had succeeded actually failed.

If the Lazarus Project failed they'd have been out an absurd amount of cash.

If Shepard had died on the Collector Ship trap then all the previous work Shepard had done would have been irrelevant.



He's the "I want apple juice, so give me a basket of apples and a machine gun." type. And when shooting the crap out of said apples does yield a little apple juice he's free to say, "See? I do what needs to be done."



In reality he's just a plot device. He succeeds when it aids the necessary A plot and he fails when it creates a "good" sidequest situation.