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[Pwner1323]

LorDC wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...
Oh almighty WIKIPEDIA! How old is God!?

Do you have another definition of terrorism? One that will be universally agreed upon? Share it with us please.

Im just messing with you, I know that's the real definition. As for cerberus, they have good  intentions *cough* Im with them, don't trust me *cough*.

[Suron]

the idiotic support for him and cerberus is absolutely mind boggling.

he's space Hitler. End of discussion.

If you can't understand or don't believe he's evil then I question not only your sanity but your morals.

biotic test babies
kahoku (sp?)
thorian slaves
attacks migrant fleet (and don't EVEN try to justify this bull****)
assassinations

I can go on and on and on.

you can count on ONE hand the "good" things (which are still questionable) that Cerberus, under TIM, has done...yet go on for quite awhile about the bad..so don't give me this good>bad bull**** either.

TIM good? lol..yah to a retard ****, sure.

Modifié par Suron, 17 janvier 2011 - 06:57 .

[Drowsy0106]

LorDC wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...
Oh almighty WIKIPEDIA! How old is God!?

Do you have another definition of terrorism? One that will be universally agreed upon? Share it with us please.

Indoctrination by government with help of media.

Modifié par Drowsy0106, 17 janvier 2011 - 06:57 .

[LorDC]

Bailyn242 wrote...

Nah, he ain't evil... he's just Hitler with a hipper rap. The guy is absolutely amoral. 

• Detonates a drive core over a population center to advance human biotics.
• Rachni experiments
• Thorian Creeper Experiments
• Husk Experiments
• Destroys several colonies to advance the above experiments.
• Akuze, nuff said.
• Admiral Kahoku.
• Takes infant victim of the above and turns her over to a lackey to raise. Then has another lackey experiment on her until someone takes her away. (ME: Ascension)
• Sends multiple teams into reaper ruins to "study" the tech. Fails to mention Reaper indoctrination to the survey crew and calls Shepard in to clean up his mess.
• Lies about Liara.
• Lies about Alliance / Horizon.
• Lies about Turian Signal.
• Orders you to keep the base.
• Wants to build a Reaper.

I really want to bring down Cerberus. You know, show up with the Normandy at his little space station by the Blue Giant and maybe push it in? 

Rachni and Thorian experiments can't be called amoral. Yeah, they've gone wrong but experiments itself are not amoral in any way. Destroying colonies goes the same way.
Admiral Kahoku? Even Paragon Shepard doesn't stop before killing people in his way. Same here.
Claims about sending research team without warning is pure speculation.
Other things were mentioned above.

[earthbornFemShep]

Evil... not quite. Unethical, reckless, and downright dangerous. If you've read Retribution, you know that he walk the line... and does some incredibly stupid things.

[Siansonea]

Is this really even a question? He SMOKES CIGARETTES. Duh, that's like Textbook Evil.

[Pwner1323]

Suron wrote...

the idiotic support for him and cerberus is absolutely mind boggling.

he's space Hitler. End of discussion.

If you can't understand or don't believe he's evil then I question not only your sanity but your morals.

biotic test babies
kahoku (sp?)
thorian slaves
attacks migrant fleet (and don't EVEN try to justify this bull****)
assassinations

I can go on and on and on.

you can count on ONE hand the "good" things (which are still questionable) that Cerberus, under TIM, has done...yet go on for quite awhile about the bad..so don't give me this good>bad bull**** either.

TIM good? lol..yah to a retard ****, sure.

All of that: +100,000,000 renegade points

Bringing Shepard back and helping save humanity: +100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Any questions?

[klossen4]

those cerberus pictures makes me think imperium of man in warhammer 40k maybe tim is the emperor it all makes sense now.

[Moiaussi]

oldag07 wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...


[*]Lies about Liara.
[*]Lies about Alliance / Horizon.
[*]Lies about Turian Signal.
[*]Orders you to keep the base.
Wants to build a Reaper.[/list]I really want to bring down Cerberus. You know, show up with the Normandy at his little space station by the Blue Giant and maybe push it in? 

While I agree with most of your statements, I wouldn't say these  were persay "evil".

Liara: He might legitimately not know anything about Liara.  She was an information dealer.  It probably was difficult to find information about her.
Alliance/Horizon.  He didn't order the VS to go to Horizon, the Alliance did.  As with the Turian signal, a commander doesn't necessarly need to tell his troops everything about a particular mission.
Turian.  Same thing. . . and it worked

Liara was on a major world and easily accessable. If he didn't know, why not have Shepard ask her?
He didn't order the VS to go to Horizon but didn't warn them or allow Shepard to warn them either. If the big gun had been set up in time and the Normandy 2 hiding conveniently behind a planet, they might have been able to coordinate and take down the collector cruiser right there, or at least save the entire colony, not just however many they saved.

He didn't just lie to Shepard about the Turian signal. He blocked it, withholding that information from the Council too. You think the Turians wouldn't have been curious to know why someone was acting like someone had wiped out one of their patrols?

[Metalunatic]

Evil? No. He is using all his power to save humanity. His methods are certainly not ''good'' though.

[Dean_the_Young]

Pwner1323 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

 He is a terroist, and that's enough for me to know

Name three acts of terrorism worthy of the title that Cerberus has done.

Im on Cerberus's side but I'll humor you.

1. Exposing fetuses to Element Zero through a transport crash (Bomb detonation I think).
2. Assessinating the former candidate to president of the Terra Firma party.
3. Huskifying an entire Colony (we cleaned up that one).

I can go on if you like.

Yet, no one in the public sphere knows that Cerberus was behind any of them, and number three isn't actually supported in game: the only reference we have to Cerberus in the colony of the dead is that it requested samples, not that it started the mess.

Terrorism has to be public, needs political objectives, and it needs to be about inspiring fear to push a government or populace in a certain direction.

When no one knows that foul play is involved at all (the e-zero 'accidents'), there's no known party or direction for a act (the Terra Firma candidate), or even proof or sign of causation (Colony of the Dead), it can't really be called terrorism. It's just a crime.

[Teknor]

TIM is not a Space Hitler. TIM actually aims for feasable results even he fails most of the time. Hitler was chasing baseless bullsh*t like pure Aryan race or jewless world. TIM is more like a Space Stalin.

[LorDC]

Suron wrote...

the idiotic support for him and cerberus is absolutely mind boggling.

he's space Hitler. End of discussion.

Godwin's law man. Yes that is end of discussion. And you've lost it.

Suron wrote...
you can count on ONE hand the "good" things (which are still questionable) that Cerberus, under TIM, has done...yet go on for quite awhile about the bad..so don't give me this good>bad bull**** either.

TIM good? lol..yah to a retard ****, sure.

1) Building Normandy SR-1
2) Building Normandy SR-2
3) Creation of EDI
4) Shepard's resurrection
5) The whole anti-Collector operation
6) Helping Liara to become SB
It is more than you can count on one hand. And those above are unquestionably good.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fixers0 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

 He is a terroist, and that's enough for me to know

Name three acts of terrorism worthy of the title that Cerberus has done.

O well, i'm not the one who declared him a terrorist, you see i'm not an expert on that subject, but fortunately some people who do have understaning on the subject have done it. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus and i'm just happy that the agree with me.

But for the Record

1. Murder.
2. unauthorized and unethical experiments on Humans And Aliens (Violation of Human rights.
3. Infiltration of Organisations and goverments.

And the Fact that TIM is a total freak, with no prinicipals or morals.

And yet, none of those are by themselves, or in combination, terrorism. Murder is murder, and while it can be terrorism, the known incidents of Cerberus murdering people aren't. In nearly all cases, the involvement of Cerberus is never even known! Likewise for their illegal experiments: criminal, yes, but not public or political or even widely recognized.

Infiltration and espionage isn't terrorism by any means either.

[Sidac]

lost the name of the who im quoting while editing

Im on Cerberus's side but I'll humor you.

1. Exposing fetuses to Element Zero through a transport crash (Bomb detonation I think).
2. Assessinating the former candidate to president of the Terra Firma party.
3. Huskifying an entire Colony (we cleaned up that one).

I can go on if you like.

All of which current real life modern day govts can be linked to very things like this. Do you consider the US govt terrorists? Cuz 1 and 2 can be linked dozens of times over to tests and assassinations that US "hasnt" done.

Modifié par Sidac, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:10 .

[klossen4]

LorDC wrote...

Suron wrote...

the idiotic support for him and cerberus is absolutely mind boggling.

he's space Hitler. End of discussion.

Godwin's law man. Yes that is end of discussion. And you've lost it.

Suron wrote...
you can count on ONE hand the "good" things (which are still questionable) that Cerberus, under TIM, has done...yet go on for quite awhile about the bad..so don't give me this good>bad bull**** either.

TIM good? lol..yah to a retard ****, sure.

1) Building Normandy SR-1
2) Building Normandy SR-2
3) Creation of EDI
4) Shepard's resurrection
5) The whole anti-Collector operation
6) Helping Liara to become SB
It is more than you can count on one hand. And those above are unquestionably good.

Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

[Jagri]

Metalunatic wrote...

Evil? No. He is using all his power to save humanity. His methods are certainly not ''good'' though.

Hitler was using all his power to save humanity or what sick twisted vision of it he had in his mind. In the end the one glaring flaw Cerberus has in anything is that its goals and guide lines are directed by one man and I believe that man isn't of a correct state of mind. I fully believe he is a psychopath and such people usally end up destroying themselves but in TIMs cause his mental break down will likely doom all life in the galaxy.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The US government is exposing infants to element zero?

[Shadesofsiknas]

The Elusive man saved the galaxy. he is a hero. His methods are questionable but in the end he brought Shep back and stopped the collectors. He will, be instrumental in defeating the Reapers.



So pray for TIMs good health.

[Sidac]

he didnt "make" it but i hear he pushed for it to be made by the alliance. also, cerberus had a HUGE in on the creation itself.


TIM is the Dark Knight of the ME universe.

Modifié par Sidac, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:09 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy. he is a hero. His methods are questionable but in the end he brought Shep back and stopped the collectors.

Hannah Shepard saved the galaxy, folks.

Give that woman a medal.

[LorDC]

klossen4 wrote...
Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

Since the time he used his power to encourage Alliance/Turian cooperation in ship design and building.

[Dean_the_Young]

Suron wrote...

the idiotic support for him and cerberus is absolutely mind boggling.

he's space Hitler. End of discussion.

If you can't understand or don't believe he's evil then I question not only your sanity but your morals.

biotic test babies
kahoku (sp?)
thorian slaves
attacks migrant fleet (and don't EVEN try to justify this bull****)
assassinations

I can go on and on and on.

you can count on ONE hand the "good" things (which are still questionable) that Cerberus, under TIM, has done...yet go on for quite awhile about the bad..so don't give me this good>bad bull**** either.

TIM good? lol..yah to a retard ****, sure.

You either have no sense of proportion, or are a clever stand in to make TIM's opponents look like fools.

Frankly, I'm not sure which is scarrier: comparing tripple digit deaths with a six-figure genocide and half of one of the bloodiest wars of human history, for the purpose of equating two people... does not really hold up to a cursorary comparison.

Then again, invoking Godwin also sort of ends the conversation right there, though rarely in favor of the person invoking it.

[Googlesaurus]

Impossible to know. We don't know the extent of his influence over certain things such as the Teltin facility; we don't know his personal motivations behind seemingly good acts like transporting those poor brainless survivors from Aeia. At best he has an extreme bias and a human-centric goal. 

I don't trust a man who willingly sends me into possible death without my knowledge, but I trust that he will consider the option if a similar situation arises. 

Modifié par Googlesaurus, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[Shadesofsiknas]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy, he is a hero. His methods are questionable but in the end he brought Shep back and stopped the collectors.

Hannah Shepard saved the galaxy, folks.

Give that woman a medal.

Yep Hannah should be given credit too. She had the forsight to shag Tim and give birth to Shep so you see TIm has contributed more than you know.