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[wolfsite]

Okay I think some people need to step back they are reading far too much into a fictional game with fictional content on fictional people that will have zero effect on the real world.  Time to move on.

[Arijharn]

wolfsite wrote...

Okay I think some people need to step back they are reading far too much into a fictional game with fictional content on fictional people that will have zero effect on the real world.  Time to move on.

Perhaps if you weren't so self-righteous you might realise that some people are passionate about the topic, ergo; if you have nothing of real import to add (even if it's your own opinion!) then, well, don't add it. Don't ****** and moan because people want to have a conversation that you find uninteresting/uninspiring/whatever.

[wolfsite]

Arijharn wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Okay I think some people need to step back they are reading far too much into a fictional game with fictional content on fictional people that will have zero effect on the real world.  Time to move on.

Perhaps if you weren't so self-righteous you might realise that some people are passionate about the topic, ergo; if you have nothing of real import to add (even if it's your own opinion!) then, well, don't add it. Don't ****** and moan because people want to have a conversation that you find uninteresting/uninspiring/whatever.

Wow...... I knew I forgot to put the Sarcasm qoute in there somewhere...... oh well to late to fix it...... or is it.....

Honestly though ya I could have phrased that better without making sound insulting..... you can tell I work better using audio/visual ques and prounounciatation rather than just flat text with no indication of being serious or joking.

Modifié par wolfsite, 05 février 2011 - 02:24 .

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This thread. It is argued that even if Shepard is "loyal" to Cerberus, he should not trust TIM, because the latter might want to expend him at some point. And it is implied that at that point Shepard should turn against TIM, overtake Cerberus, or what-not. And that's outstanding by me, as long as you don't call such a Shepard "Cerebrus loyalist".

So now you are holding the opinions of some posters against another poster? Pardon?

Moiaussi wrote...

Yes, provided, that the "third party" is, in fact, the "second party", and can arrive on "the scene" any time it thinks its interests are being crossed, but might contribut to the success of the project a lot, as long as it thinks the result will go its way.

It is also possible that Conrad Verner is the second coming of Christ, and if he is, you can make all sorts of inferences from that, too. Wild supposition isn't evidence.

Shoot with what? If it wasn't for Miranda, there wouldn't have been any pistol in that locker, and Shepard wouldn't even have awoken.

On Feros, Shepard has no problems whatsoever oneshotting people in hand to hand. This is the new improved post-res Shepard, likely with even greater cyber enhanced strength, and for that matter he could have 'played along' til he was armed.

If it can solace you in any way, be informed that a "Cerberus Loyalist" is given even less opportunity to express his devotion.

Less than cooperating in every way?

Cerberus point of view on Shepard should have varied, depending on Shepard's actions in ME1. There is indeed zero reason for a control chip in the head of a renegade human supremacist (when Shepard has indeed done everything right). But there is all the reason for a control chip in the head of a paragon alien-lover (and naturally Miranda is mistaken about him in the intro). But since in both cases the result is the same, namely TIM prohibits the control chip, we have to assume that there must be additional reasoning we're not directly informed of.

And TIM can't really be wrong about his "no chip" order. Becasue if he is, that's only from the Cerberus interests stanpoint. And if the player determines the situation from that standpoint, that only means this current Shepard is a Cerberus loyalist and the chip is really unnecessary, and TIM is right. (So this situation is self-contradictory and therefore impossible). But if the player judges the situation from any other (selfish, common morality, alien-loving) standpoint, he can't help but agree with TIM on this one: a chip in Shepard's head would've been seriously wrong, and Miranda sucks again.

Why would a renegade be happy about TIM's leadership, especially about being lied to? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing they are renegade against? The same kind of thing they accuse the council of?

Gosh, we aren't told so therefore there must be something more... well yes, but that doesn't mean the reasoning is valid or sound. And Shepard's opinion doesn't count. Note that such a chip implanted in a loyal shepard would never have to be activated.

Appearantly, though you consider TIM as infallible somehow... he can't really be wrong? The concept that Shepard would disagree with one having been implanted doesn't make TIM right about not wanting one in there. Shepard didn't want to be lied to about the Collector ship either, and that didn't stop TIM. Are you admitting TIM was wrong about lieing to Shepard about that?

[Arijharn]

wolfsite wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Okay I think some people need to step back they are reading far too much into a fictional game with fictional content on fictional people that will have zero effect on the real world.  Time to move on.

Perhaps if you weren't so self-righteous you might realise that some people are passionate about the topic, ergo; if you have nothing of real import to add (even if it's your own opinion!) then, well, don't add it. Don't ****** and moan because people want to have a conversation that you find uninteresting/uninspiring/whatever.

Wow...... I knew I forgot to put the Sarcasm qoute in there somewhere...... oh well to late to fix it...... or is it.....

Honestly though ya I could have phrased that better without making sound insulting..... you can tell I work better using audio/visual ques and prounounciatation rather than just flat text with no indication of being serious or joking.

Sorry, my internet sarcasm filter plugin for chrome isn't working atm

I can never seem to get it fixed.

[danitiwa]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I wouldn't call him evil.

He just needs to be a bit more realistic and less...stupid.

lol This.
He seems to shrug off a lot of shady things Cerberus does. He also seems very quick to put humans before other races. Something about him reeks of power craziness. That's why I like blowing up the collector station. I don't want it in his hands.

Modifié par danitiwa, 06 février 2011 - 12:42 .

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...

This thread. It is argued that even if Shepard is "loyal" to Cerberus, he should not trust TIM, because the latter might want to expend him at some point. And it is implied that at that point Shepard should turn against TIM, overtake Cerberus, or what-not. And that's outstanding by me, as long as you don't call such a Shepard "Cerebrus loyalist".[/quote]
So now you are holding the opinions of some posters against another poster? Pardon?[/quote]
Pardon what? If you can't follow the flow of the thread, don't bother to comment on posts that are replies to other posters and aren't directed at you!


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

Yes, provided, that the "third party" is, in fact, the "second party", and can arrive on "the scene" any time it thinks its interests are being crossed, but might contribut to the success of the project a lot, as long as it thinks the result will go its way.[/quote]
It is also possible that Conrad Verner is the second coming of Christ, and if he is, you can make all sorts of inferences from that, too. Wild supposition isn't evidence.
[/quote]
So far Conrad Verner did not show any indication he was Jesus v2.0, while the Collectors showed clear interest in getting Shepard in best condition possible, as well as their formidable combat capability. So which of the two should TIM factor into his schemes?


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...
[quote]If it can solace you in any way, be informed that a "Cerberus Loyalist" is given even less opportunity to express his devotion.[/quote]Less than cooperating in every way?
[/quote]
Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

Why would a renegade be happy about TIM's leadership, especially about being lied to? Isn't that exactly the kind of thing they are renegade against? The same kind of thing they accuse the council of?
[/quote]
There are two kinds of renegade, and you're talking about the stupid kind.


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

Note that such a chip implanted in a loyal shepard would never have to be activated.
[/quote]
Then it would be a waste.


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

Appearantly, though you consider TIM as infallible somehow... he can't really be wrong?
[/quote]
He isn't infallible, and he can be wrong. Obviously, he was wrong when he treated that snake PaulGrayson like a son.


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

The concept that Shepard would disagree with one having been implanted doesn't make TIM right about not wanting one in there.
[/quote]
But it makes both TIM and Miranda wrong about the chip.

1. Shepard likes the chip idea = Shepard is Cerberus Loyalist = Chip not necessary = Miranda wrong.

2. Shepard doesn't like the chip idea = Cerberus sucks = Both TIM and Miranda are wrong (but especially Miranda).

Even if we assume the "Cerberus interests" standpoint, Miranda is still wrong, because (a) TIM says so, and ( because she is stupid enough to begin her collaboration with Commander Shepard with open "I'm such a b*tch" attitude.


[quote]Moiaussi wrote...

Shepard didn't want to be lied to about the Collector ship either, and that didn't stop TIM. Are you admitting TIM was wrong about lieing to Shepard about that?
[/quote]
Shepard can be reasoned with on this one (but only if he can be reasoned with, if you know what I mean), and after TIM gives his explanations (and Mordin approves of them), accept that it was necessary. So no, TIM wasn't wrong.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 07:00 .

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.

Shelving any further discussion with you until you can separate the writing from the plot itself. Saying 'it doesn't count because it was written that way' is ceasing discussion of the characters' behaviour.

It is ALL scripted. Explaining why the writers might have wanted it that way has nothing to do with the characters themselves.

This is the second time you have used this kind of 'arguement.' It was just as meaningless the first time.

Not bothering with the rest of your post. Call that a win a loss or a draw, doesn't matter.

[Zulu_DFA]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.

Shelving any further discussion with you until you can separate the writing from the plot itself. Saying 'it doesn't count because it was written that way' is ceasing discussion of the characters' behaviour.

It was either work for TIM, or retire, go fishing back on Earth, and hope they'll manage to save the Galaxy without you.

No game about the latter option, and it's out of character for any Shepard, renegade or paragon.

Moiaussi wrote...

Not bothering with the rest of your post. Call that a win a loss or a draw, doesn't matter.

I call it a relief.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 07:10 .

[James2912]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.

Shelving any further discussion with you until you can separate the writing from the plot itself. Saying 'it doesn't count because it was written that way' is ceasing discussion of the characters' behaviour.

It is ALL scripted. Explaining why the writers might have wanted it that way has nothing to do with the characters themselves.

This is the second time you have used this kind of 'arguement.' It was just as meaningless the first time.

Not bothering with the rest of your post. Call that a win a loss or a draw, doesn't matter.

You should really learn to respect other peoples opinions! 

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.

Shelving any further discussion with you until you can separate the writing from the plot itself. Saying 'it doesn't count because it was written that way' is ceasing discussion of the characters' behaviour.

It was either work for TIM, or retire, go fishing back on Earth, and hope they'll manage to save the Galaxy without you.

No game about the latter option, and it's out of character for any Shepard, renegade or paragon.

Nice try at a save, but that is very different from what you said. More to the point though, Shepard didn't try any other avenues. He did sort of try the council, but Anderson called him, not the other way round. It is easy to say there weren't any, especially when your backup for that is 'it was written that way."

He could have simply taken a hard line and given TIM the choices. Work with Shepard under Shepard's lead, or let TIM hope he can save the universe without Shepard.

Look what Jack allegedly accomplished, or Zaeed.... both essentially single handedlly captured warships. The only reason Shepard would have been less able to manage such accomplishments would be writers' fiat.

The point is that Shepard had options that could have been taken. Miranda and Jacob fast talked him so he would have less chance to think about them. Whether that was intentional or not, that was the effect.

[Zulu_DFA]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Cooperating in every way was scripted and equally applied to any type of Shepard, as "necessity". As far as the dialogue goes, it was way more opportunity to bicker with TIM, than to be reasonable.

Shelving any further discussion with you until you can separate the writing from the plot itself. Saying 'it doesn't count because it was written that way' is ceasing discussion of the characters' behaviour.

It was either work for TIM, or retire, go fishing back on Earth, and hope they'll manage to save the Galaxy without you.

No game about the latter option, and it's out of character for any Shepard, renegade or paragon.

Nice try at a save, but that is very different from what you said.

I don't know what you read before or what you're reading now, I was meaning the same thing I am saying now.

Moiaussi wrote...

More to the point though, Shepard didn't try any other avenues. He did sort of try the council, but Anderson called him, not the other way round. It is easy to say there weren't any, especially when your backup for that is 'it was written that way."

He could have simply taken a hard line and given TIM the choices. Work with Shepard under Shepard's lead, or let TIM hope he can save the universe without Shepard.

Look what Jack allegedly accomplished, or Zaeed.... both essentially single handedlly captured warships. The only reason Shepard would have been less able to manage such accomplishments would be writers' fiat.

The point is that Shepard had options that could have been taken. Miranda and Jacob fast talked him so he would have less chance to think about them. Whether that was intentional or not, that was the effect.

Shepard is not God. There is a "big universe" around him, that spins according to its own rules (the ones that the writers set, not you). So Shepard has to deal with whatever he has at hand, and can only control his own actions.

But let's suppose your wish is granted, and your Shepard tells TIM to shove it, kills Jacob and Miranda and hi-jacks the Normandy right from the start. He comes to the Council, and finds out he is rumored to be working with Cerberus anyway. "No, I'm not!" cries your Shepard. "Who are your kidding?" scoffs the Turian Councillor. Liara is busy with her Shadow Broker vendetta and isn't of help either. Tali has her loyalties to the Migrant fleet, collecting Geth parts for her daddy. The VS and Garrus' whereabouts are unknown. Wrex is busy with his clan. So your Shepard is pretty much a blind kitten. Until the Collectors get him. Then he's a Reaper goo.

As for Shepard telling TIM "you work for me", it's simply laughable. Becasue TIM is 2 leagues up of Shepard. At the end of the day, Shepard is just an errand boy for the big wigs, no matter of what race and alignment they may be.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 09:31 .

[Whatever42]

Shepard really have to threaten TIM. TIM gave Shepard virtually full operational control from the get-go.

Shepard says he wants to contact the council. TIM says ok.
Shepard objects when TIM makes a suggestion to recruit Mordin first. TIM says whatever you want.
Shepard questions every member of the crew about Cerberus and their loyalties.
Shepard insists to Miranda that he/she is in charge, not Cerberus.
Shepard overrides Miranda about giving classified Cerberus files to Jack.

Shepard is the one running things. Of course, it just so happens that TIM manipulates Shepard down the same path whether Shepard is cooperative or not but that's largely because its the correct path.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 06 février 2011 - 09:44 .

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Shepard is not God. There is a "big universe" around him, that spins according to its own rules (the ones that the writers set, not you). So Shepard has to deal with whatever he has at hand, and can only control his own actions.

But let's suppose your wish is granted, and your Shepard tells TIM to shove it, kills Jacob and Miranda and hi-jacks the Normandy right from the start. He comes to the Council, and finds out he is rumored to be working with Cerberus anyway. "No, I'm not!" cries your Shepard. "Who are your kidding?" scoffs the Turian Councillor. Liara is busy with her Shadow Broker vendetta and isn't of help either. Tali has her loyalties to the Migrant fleet, collecting Geth parts for her daddy. The VS and Garrus' whereabouts are unknown. Wrex is busy with his clan. So your Shepard is pretty much a blind kitten. Until the Collectors get him. Then he's a Reaper goo.

As for Shepard telling TIM "you work for me", it's simply laughable. Becasue TIM is 2 leagues up of Shepard. At the end of the day, Shepard is just an errand boy for the big wigs, no matter of what race and alignment they may be.

Shepard doesn't have to be God. That is why I gave Jack and Zaeed as examples. Presumably you don't consider them gods?

The Council takes the attitude you present. Shepard's obvious response? "Councellors, prove it. If I have become the criminal you accuse me of becoming, put me on trial as Saren was, and prove it. What evidence other than rumour do you have linking me to anything within the last two years? Presumably you are not taking the word of Cerberus operatives over mine."

And note I suggested that Shepard wouldn't neccessarily even have had to have shot Miranda or Jacob. They both needed him alive for the same reason they brought him back. They acknowledge that the Reapers are out there.

Either they brought him back because they believe he is the key to stopping them or not. If not, why bring him back? If yes, then shouldn't they let him get on with the job without second guessing him? If the reigns are kept that tight, there is effectively a control chip.

Bringing this back on topic (AGAIN), TIM's "need" to keep the reigns that tight and not trust Shepard with key information come back to his having brought someone back as a figurehead more than as someone he really believes is the right person to stop the Reapers.

Conventional forces could have stopped the Collectors. All they needed was Mordin's research. Shepard's hands were too tied throughout the entire game for any superior 'heroic magic' to have really mattered.

You say Shepard isn't God.... but isn't TIM's arguement for bringing Shepard back in the first place along the lines of treating him as something more than mortal? Someone worthy of effective immortality?

Modifié par Moiaussi, 06 février 2011 - 09:58 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Moiaussi wrote...

Bringing this back on topic (AGAIN), TIM's "need" to keep the reigns that tight and not trust Shepard with key information come back to his having brought someone back as a figurehead more than as someone he really believes is the right person to stop the Reapers.

Conventional forces could have stopped the Collectors. All they needed was Mordin's research. Shepard's hands were too tied throughout the entire game for any superior 'heroic magic' to have really mattered.

You say Shepard isn't God.... but isn't TIM's arguement for bringing Shepard back in the first place along the lines of treating him as something more than mortal? Someone worthy of effective immortality?

If we set aside possible Alliance connection and PR issues, TIM's motivation is that Shepard is important in his spy game against the Shadow Broker and Collectors. But Shepard remains pretyy much a MacGuffin to him, a black box, as he doesn't know why Shepard is so important to the Collectors.

With the Collectors and the Shadow Broker gone, Shepard has lost much of his value to TIM, that's why I speculate, that TIM may now arrange Shepard's trial, to put him "on conservation" for the time being, Shepard's alignment notwithstanding.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 10:23 .

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
If we set aside possible Alliance connection and PR issues, TIM's motivation is that Shepard is important in his spy game against the Shadow Broker and Collectors. But Shepard remains pretyy much a MacGuffin to him, a black box, as he doesn't know why Shepard is so important to the Collectors.

With the Collectors and the Shadow Broker gone, Shepard has lost much of his value to TIM, that's why I speculate, that TIM may now arrange Shepard's trial, to put him "on conservation" for the time being, Shepard's alignment notwithstanding.

That doesn't even remotely explain bringing Shepard back. As a commodity, Shepard is a lot easier to handle as a corpse in a stasis chamber. Certainly sending him into Collector traps without warning him really is contrary to your theory. "Here, I know you are after this... Out of fairness I am giving you every chance to recapture him"... I don't think so,

[Sabariel]

He is indeed an evil, evil man. Not only does he not bother to upgrade my ship while re-building it, he doesn't even put gas in it! Bastard.

[Zulu_DFA]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
If we set aside possible Alliance connection and PR issues, TIM's motivation is that Shepard is important in his spy game against the Shadow Broker and Collectors. But Shepard remains pretyy much a MacGuffin to him, a black box, as he doesn't know why Shepard is so important to the Collectors.

With the Collectors and the Shadow Broker gone, Shepard has lost much of his value to TIM, that's why I speculate, that TIM may now arrange Shepard's trial, to put him "on conservation" for the time being, Shepard's alignment notwithstanding.

That doesn't even remotely explain bringing Shepard back. As a commodity, Shepard is a lot easier to handle as a corpse in a stasis chamber. Certainly sending him into Collector traps without warning him really is contrary to your theory. "Here, I know you are after this... Out of fairness I am giving you every chance to recapture him"... I don't think so,

TIM had to play ball to stay in game.

If he put the Lazarus Project on hold, the Collectors would have attacked to grab Shepard. If he didn't send Shepard to Horizon, the Collectors would have realized they are being played, and TIM would have lost the initiative. If he didn't send Shepard into the "disabled cruiser" trap, there might not have been another chance to datamine their systems.

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TIM had to play ball to stay in game.

If he put the Lazarus Project on hold, the Collectors would have attacked to grab Shepard. If he didn't send Shepard to Horizon, the Collectors would have realized they are being played, and TIM would have lost the initiative. If he didn't send Shepard into the "disabled cruiser" trap, there might not have been another chance to datamine their systems.

Then why didn't they attack to grab the shuttle, since you seem to be of the opinion that they were on a constant readiness to pounce?

Besides, the Collectors were quite happy with the concept of getting Shepard dead. Why wait til Lazarus was successful, which may or may not have ever happened? Especially since if they weren't in very close proximity to the base, TIM might have moved Shep at any time and they would have lost their prey.

Your suggestion is theoreticly possible, but seems highly improbable.

[Null_]

TIM is just like renegade shepard- ends justify the means.Anything for the mission etc.

Its up to you to decide if thats "evil" or just "not really nice but gets the job done for sure"

[Zulu_DFA]

Moiaussi wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TIM had to play ball to stay in game.

If he put the Lazarus Project on hold, the Collectors would have attacked to grab Shepard. If he didn't send Shepard to Horizon, the Collectors would have realized they are being played, and TIM would have lost the initiative. If he didn't send Shepard into the "disabled cruiser" trap, there might not have been another chance to datamine their systems.

Then why didn't they attack to grab the shuttle, since you seem to be of the opinion that they were on a constant readiness to pounce?

Besides, the Collectors were quite happy with the concept of getting Shepard dead. Why wait til Lazarus was successful, which may or may not have ever happened? Especially since if they weren't in very close proximity to the base, TIM might have moved Shep at any time and they would have lost their prey.

Your suggestion is theoreticly possible, but seems highly improbable.

TIM put Wilson in charge of the project, already knowing that he was working for the Shadow Broker. But Wilson didn't know that. Hence, the Shadow Broker (Collectors) was thinking that everything was going just fine and in a few days Wilson would deliver "the package". Then Miranda hacked the mechs.

As to the "Collectors were happy with Shepard dead", that's not quite accurate. Apparently, they changed their mind shortly after they had ambushed the Normandy. That's why the stasis pod the Blue Suns put Shepard in had some equipment to conserve Shepard's condition. And this is confirmed again in the Shadow Broker's files, where he noted that action agaist Cerberus was withheld until confirmation of Shepard's functionality (the measure even extended post Lasarus project).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 février 2011 - 01:29 .

[jbblue05]

Sabariel wrote...

He is indeed an evil, evil man. Not only does he not bother to upgrade my ship while re-building it, he doesn't even put gas in it! Bastard.

How can TIM spend 100 billion+ credits on the Normandy and can't  fill up the tank?

[DarthSliver]

jbblue05 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

He is indeed an evil, evil man. Not only does he not bother to upgrade my ship while re-building it, he doesn't even put gas in it! Bastard.

How can TIM spend 100 billion+ credits on the Normandy and can't  fill up the tank?

Um they had to meet deadlines so TIM figured Shepard could fill the tank. Whats insulting is he makes us mine for minerals distracting me from the mission at hand.

[Moiaussi]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TIM put Wilson in charge of the project, already knowing that he was working for the Shadow Broker. But Wilson didn't know that. Hence, the Shadow Broker (Collectors) was thinking that everything was going just fine and in a few days Wilson would deliver "the package". Then Miranda hacked the mechs.

As to the "Collectors were happy with Shepard dead", that's not quite accurate. Apparently, they changed their mind shortly after they had ambushed the Normandy. That's why the stasis pod the Blue Suns put Shepard in had some equipment to conserve Shepard's condition. And this is confirmed again in the Shadow Broker's files, where he noted that action agaist Cerberus was withheld until confirmation of Shepard's functionality (the measure even extended post Lasarus project).

Well yes, the Collectors wanted Shepard's DNA intact and not degraded, but stasis should have achieved that. If Lazarus had failed and say incinerated Shepard, they could have lost him. Why would they take that risk?

Why is the concept of keeping Shepard of guard and appearing to save him more far fetched to you than the Collectors somehow being on call with a ship there that has better stealth than the Normandy, and risking losing everything on the bet that an enemy organization (Cerberus) can get Lazarus right, or that it was simply Wilson being jealous, as implied directly in game?

[Sabariel]

DarthSliver wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

He is indeed an evil, evil man. Not only does he not bother to upgrade my ship while re-building it, he doesn't even put gas in it! Bastard.

How can TIM spend 100 billion+ credits on the Normandy and can't  fill up the tank?

Um they had to meet deadlines so TIM figured Shepard could fill the tank. Whats insulting is he makes us mine for minerals distracting me from the mission at hand.

A likely excuse. You're in cahoots with the Illusive Man, aren't you?