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[Barquiel]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy.

He helped Shep to save human clonies in the Terminus systems...he didn't save the galaxy.

[klossen4]

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...
Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

Since the time he used his power to encourage Alliance/Turian cooperation in ship design and building.

Seems i missed that where in the game does tim say that?

[Dean_the_Young]

Teknor wrote...

TIM is not a Space Hitler. TIM actually aims for feasable results even he fails most of the time. Hitler was chasing baseless bullsh*t like pure Aryan race or jewless world. TIM is more like a Space Stalin.

Without the police state, mass-casualty forced-labor camps, the mass population reolocations, the unilateral invasions and expansionism, the state of terror, the rewriting of public history, and the paranoia and killing of everyone who disagrees with him,


So... like Space Stalin, if Stalin never did anything comparable to what Stalin actually did.

[Shadesofsiknas]

Barquiel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy.

He helped Shep to save human clonies in the Terminus systems...he didn't save the galaxy.

So if he didnt bring Shep back and help him to defeat the collectors?

Ill tell you...The collectors would have built their Reaper. They would have opened the Citadel and Reapers would have check-mate.

So...Tim saved the galaxy.

All hail Lord Tim.

[Element_Zero]

Ok my point of view. . .



TIM is very ruthless. . . a ruthless tyrant in many ways. Any kind of ethics with TIM flew out the window years ago. Reasons behind it? I'm not sure anyone knows at this point, he's kind of shady character and not much of his past is known.



Is that evil? From some of your responses it seems to be. . . For others he isn't. But I'm willing to bet if your ever a victim of this ruthlessness you would definitely would have a better opinion on it. Especially since each variation of experiments brings about it's own special hell upon those involved.



Like it or not he is responsible for all actions occurring under the banner Cerberus. Rather he knew or suspected and didn't do anything or didn't know these actions he is still responsible as leader of the Cerberus. I'm also sure he carefully groomed / selected Miranda for Shepard's Resurrection, he wouldn't want Shepard to ignore the main mission after all. Surely he must have a fair idea on how far his project leaders will go, how to pressure them, and who they are when it comes to the experimental projects, considering how many credits go into these projects. Also this is proven a bit more (to me) by his actions concerning Shepard and the Collector Ship.



Given his response with Project Overlord? (I rescued the guy.) I tend to think he knows more than he lets on but casts a blind eye to it. . . He's also someone who is, well frankly enjoying being the CEO of Cerberus and is willing to fight to stay that way.



He doesn't feel guilty about any of it from my estimation, just extremely blindly ambitious.



But that is my opinion on TIM.

[klossen4]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy, he is a hero. His methods are questionable but in the end he brought Shep back and stopped the collectors.

Hannah Shepard saved the galaxy, folks.

Give that woman a medal.

Yep Hannah should be given credit too. She had the forsight to shag Tim and give birth to Shep so you see TIm has contributed more than you know.

So Tim is sheps father then udina must be your uncle of course.

[LorDC]

klossen4 wrote...

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...
Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

Since the time he used his power to encourage Alliance/Turian cooperation in ship design and building.

Seems i missed that where in the game does tim say that?

It was in the LotSB files iirc.

[klossen4]

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...
Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

Since the time he used his power to encourage Alliance/Turian cooperation in ship design and building.

Seems i missed that where in the game does tim say that?

It was in the LotSB files iirc.

k thanks.

[Shadesofsiknas]

klossen4 wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy, he is a hero. His methods are questionable but in the end he brought Shep back and stopped the collectors.

Hannah Shepard saved the galaxy, folks.

Give that woman a medal.

Yep Hannah should be given credit too. She had the forsight to shag Tim and give birth to Shep so you see TIm has contributed more than you know.

So Tim is sheps father then udina must be your uncle of course.

Yeah Shep comes from a line of renegade thorough breds.

[Dean_the_Young]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The US government is exposing infants to element zero?

No, not element zero.

Though it did kill over 10,000 people during prohibition by poisoning black-market alcohol.

And conducted more than 239 open-air biological warfare tests on the American public.

And everyone should know about the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, when the US government deliberately had 400 black men go untreated for siphilis just to see what happened.

[Barquiel]

Shadesofsiknas wrote...


So if he didnt bring Shep back and help him to defeat the collectors?

Ill tell you...The collectors would have built their Reaper. They would have opened the Citadel and Reapers would have check-mate.

So...Tim saved the galaxy.

All hail Lord Tim.

Sovereign had an inside man to open the relay (Saren)...and a geth fleet to attack the citadel. Baby Terminator had nothing.

It is implied that the collectors needed earth in order to complete their reaper.
Attacking earth with one cruiser? Now this is a proper suicide mission!

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:23 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Barquiel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy.

He helped Shep to save human clonies in the Terminus systems...he didn't save the galaxy.

And you don't think Shepard's interventions in stopping the total rewrite of all Geth, stopping a rogue genophage cure in the hands of the Blood Pack, and stopping the accumulating assault on Earth and Citadel by a new Reaper with an even bigger army counts as saving the galaxy?

[Moiaussi]

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...

LorDC wrote...

klossen4 wrote...
Since when did tim make Normandy SR-1?

Since the time he used his power to encourage Alliance/Turian cooperation in ship design and building.

Seems i missed that where in the game does tim say that?

It was in the LotSB files iirc.

I don't remember that being in the files, but lets get this straight.... the self appointed champion of humanity encouraged cooperation with the race that:
 
(1) is generally considered the greatest military power in the Council and therefore Humanity's greatest rival in that regard, and

(2) is the cause for the founding of Cerberus in the first place?

And that isn't considered either a plothole, retcon or both?

[klossen4]

Barquiel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...


So if he didnt bring Shep back and help him to defeat the collectors?

Ill tell you...The collectors would have built their Reaper. They would have opened the Citadel and Reapers would have check-mate.

So...Tim saved the galaxy.

All hail Lord Tim.

Sovereign had an inside man to open the relay (Saren)...and a geth fleet to attack the citadel. Baby Terminator had nothing.

It is implied that the collectors needed earth in order to complete their reaper.
Attacking earth with one cruiser? Now this is a proper suicide mission!

Yeah lets make a game where you are harbinger controling the general and instead of recruit team we make husk team to attack earth.

[Googlesaurus]

Moiaussi wrote...

I don't remember that being in the files, but lets get this straight.... the self appointed champion of humanity encouraged cooperation with the race that:
 
(1) is generally considered the greatest military power in the Council and therefore Humanity's greatest rival in that regard, and

(2) is the cause for the founding of Cerberus in the first place?

And that isn't considered either a plothole, retcon or both?

TIM wants human dominance, not human exclusivity. Don't it make sense to work with your "enemy" in the short-term to climb over them in the long-term?

[Shadesofsiknas]

Barquiel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...


So if he didnt bring Shep back and help him to defeat the collectors?

Ill tell you...The collectors would have built their Reaper. They would have opened the Citadel and Reapers would have check-mate.

So...Tim saved the galaxy.

All hail Lord Tim.

Sovereign had an inside man to open the relay (Saren)...and a geth fleet to attack the citadel. Baby Terminator had nothing.

It is implied that the collectors needed earth in order to complete their reaper.
Attacking earth with one cruiser? Now this is a proper suicide mission!

Ye of little imagination. The collectors would not attack Earth. They would keep hitting colonies and work on the Reaper till the Reapers arrive. Which they do in ME3. Then they move in and take their materials for completeing the Reaper.

Ok. Will SHep save the galaxy?

Was Shep dead?

Did Tim not perform the powers of God and ressurect Shep?(something not seen since JC himself)

SO Tim did nothing to save the galaxy??

Tim is a legend. They will probably tear down the Krogan monument in the Citadel in ME3 and put one of Tim up. How would that fit with you for a twist.

[jbblue05]

wrong topic

Modifié par jbblue05, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Jagri]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Shadesofsiknas wrote...

The Elusive man saved the galaxy.

He helped Shep to save human clonies in the Terminus systems...he didn't save the galaxy.

And you don't think Shepard's interventions in stopping the total rewrite of all Geth, stopping a rogue genophage cure in the hands of the Blood Pack, and stopping the accumulating assault on Earth and Citadel by a new Reaper with an even bigger army counts as saving the galaxy?

Don't forget Shepard also stopped Cerberus's Project Overlord failure from taking place. If he/she wasn't there Cerberus would have effectively unleashed the Mass Effect version of Skynet on the entire galaxy while facing Baby Terminator and a fleet of heretic geths.

Modifié par Jagri, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Nightwriter]

Since "evil" is a flighty term, I'll assume you're asking me: In the end, will TIM prove to have been a force of destruction overall?

I suppose I'll say this: I think what TIM cares about is power. I think threats to humanity are threats to TIM's power - so yes, he cares about protecting humanity. But alas, because power is his ultimate goal, he will sacrifice any number of lives, even human ones, to gain more power, and though he would like us to think these are sacrifices made in the interests of saving more lives later, I am never really convinced this is anything more than an attempt to excuse his eager pursuits of ambition.

So, I believe he is motivated by power, and will do harm to achieve it - and thus he cannot be wholly good. 

[Sidac]

Everyone might hate TIM and Cerberus but whether or not you like the organization the Alliance benefits greatly from Cerberus' existance.

Modifié par Sidac, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:38 .

[Asheer_Khan]

I really wonder how this subject would look if same list of crimes which are on cerberus account would be posted in relation to STG or Turian black ops group (IF they have such)...



Somehow i think many of those who right now defend cerberus without hesitation would call for wrath of all 7 heavens to be dropped on "Ruthless and evil to the core aliens"... and all of this is based on one single and simple.. "cerberus is humanity" delusion of the one sick and twisted mind of someone who possibly is not even human anymore...

[AntiChri5]

Evil? Probably.

Lost touch with reality? Definitely.

[LorDC]

Moiaussi wrote...
I don't remember that being in the files, but lets get this straight.... the self appointed champion of humanity encouraged cooperation with the race that:
 
(1) is generally considered the greatest military power in the Council and therefore Humanity's greatest rival in that regard, and

(2) is the cause for the founding of Cerberus in the first place?

And that isn't considered either a plothole, retcon or both?

It is considered that some people are just too narrow-minded about TIM.
The only goal of Cerberus is human dominance. TIM never stated that aliens are "bad" or "tainted" or "mortal enemies of humanity".

[LorDC]

Nightwriter wrote...

Since "evil" is a flighty term, I'll assume you're asking me: In the end, will TIM prove to have been a force of destruction overall?

I suppose I'll say this: I think what TIM cares about is power. I think threats to humanity are threats to TIM's power - so yes, he cares about protecting humanity. But alas, because power is his ultimate goal, he will sacrifice any number of lives, even human ones, to gain more power, and though he would like us to think these are sacrifices made in the interests of saving more lives later, I am never really convinced this is anything more than an attempt to excuse his eager pursuits of ambition.

So, I believe he is motivated by power, and will do harm to achieve it - and thus he cannot be wholly good. 

Well, ME novels give us a glimpse of TIM's thoughts and "power-hunger" is never there only care about humanity. You may argue that TIM has gone off his mind and actually thinks he is savior of humanity. But, well, he does not make such impression.

[Nightwriter]

LorDC wrote...

It is considered that some people are just too narrow-minded about TIM.
The only goal of Cerberus is human dominance. TIM never stated that aliens are "bad" or "tainted" or "mortal enemies of humanity".

When you believe one thing should be superior, you believe all other things should be inferior.