Johnny Shepard wrote...
There was a really intresting discusion in the Meredith thread before it go compleatly of track with talk about Mages should be ruling the world and blowing up things for fun.
I would really want that discusion to continue so I started this thread. I hope some Devs vill stop by and give their take on the mather as well.
As I se it, the problem isn't that the Mage's are under guard because they can be dangerus and Im not just talking about Blood Magic. They can't compleatly controll what can happen to them.
The
problem, as I se it, is the way the Templars and the Chantry treat the
Mages with hate and disgust as if they where monsters. Like it was the
Mage's fault that he/she was born a Mage.
And that they are forbidden to have a family.
If
Templars where more as protectors then jailers there would not be as big of a
problem. I don't thin Mage's would rebell or run away if they could
live there own life with Templars guarding them. Its the misstreatment
and the fact that they are held in a Tower that makes them act up.
And
it comes down to being the Chantrys fault because they misstreat the
Templars (making them addicts) who themseves take it out on the Mages.
Should
the Mages be on their own? No. Even Anders knows that would be a big
problem (infact he say's just that). But they should not be treated like
evil monsters.
What do you think?
The fact is that, as Anders said, mages are simply tolerated by the Chantry. Because a thousand years ago, some hubris-filled assclowns took Led Zepellins stairway to heaven literally and tripped and fell back to Thedas.
Mages CAN completely control what happens to them, it simply takes willpower, which the Chantry in itself and teachings, tells mages not to have in the way they tell mages to submit to their power. Morale and the belief you can keep a demon from possessing you would go far, along with the skills nurtured to combat them. Of course, it is a thin line, as knowing you can defend yourself from demons would lead to pride, one thing the Chantry did right was teach that excessive pride is bad.
Once you take someones rights away, you take away their humanity. The Chantry is simply repeating what the Imperium did, but far worse, using blinding tactics and propoganda to brainwash the masses. The Tevinters at least made it clear they wanted domination, so it would have been easier to combat them. The Chantry just reversed the roles, and for ZERO GOOD REASON. Simply because the Tevinters did awful things doesn't make all mages inherently evil beings. That is like saying because I am Italian, I am going to take you into an alley and beat you mafia style. Or any other race related stereotype. If anyone needs to be controlled, it is the Chantry itself, for they have more power than all the mages of Thedas with their influence and power of Templar ARMIES.
Templars are also not inherently evil. It is how the Chantry breeds them. Still, no injustice deserves another injustice. The fact that the Templars exist and have any dominion over another human being (or elven) is an abomination and unjustified in every way possible. How would you like it if you had a government agent watchign you at all times, whos word means more than yours, which is dirt? That man or woman could do whatever they want with you and resisting would get you killed in any case.
Tempars have a say in the matter of taking their vows, they know that lyrium is addictive.
And yes, the mages should have the right to govern themselves without interference from the Chantry, unless asked for assistance for a situation like Uldreds revolt. I firmly believe that Anders is so deflective of seriousness with his humor about templars, escaping, and being hunted, because he truly fears the templars' power over him, and knows he can't fight back. Anders wants freedom, otherwise he wouldn't try to destroy his phylactery. Otherwise, he is a hypocrite, and as much as I love his character, he has no right to demand freedom if he believes the Chantry has authority over other mages.
All in all, mages are second class citizens, even below the elves as elves can live wherever they want, marry whoever they want, go wherever they want. They are simply descriminated against. Mages on the other hand are deemed blood mages and apostates simply for stepping out of the Chantrys rule. Within the Chantry, they are not allowed to marry or have any basic rights people deserve and what others recieve. Wynne explicitly states that ALL, not some, ALL mage children are taken at birth and given to the Chantry.
Disgusting. Simply disgusting
I hope I can burn the Chantrys power to the ground in DAII
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. Sure, you could argue with real world science here, but it's not a certain in a fictional universe. But by all means, innocent until proven guilty. However, if the mages WERE guilty, someone would have noticed, right? There could actually be historical sources recording how they killed a couple of thousands of slaves and what they were trying to achieve. It's not as if all that's said about the Darkspawn is that they came out of the evil of the mages. There is some form of source material behind there somewhere. Maybe not to be taken literally, but it's more than just religious dogma.
