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[Aggie Punbot]

Like the title describes.

Personally I think that the more criminals Commander Shepard lets go with only a stern warning, the more likely people will be to continue (or even start) committing atrocities against other sapient/sentient beings. After all, if there's no consequences to torture/murder/extortion, etc., why should they bother stopping? Worst you'll get is being "threatened" with a gun...that Shepard will never use against you.

Any other good ideas for what Paragons will regret?

[CroGamer002]

If you ask ZULU, everything they did.

[JRCHOharry]

Destroying the Collector base. Without a doubt, even I regret blowing it up sometimes...

[gogman25]

Not breaking that reporters nose again.

I can already picture running out of an exploding Reaper to have her block the entrance and shout "WE NEED AN INTERVIEW!" whilst you cry and try to escape.

[James2912]

It would be cool if the Paragon ending requires that Shep sacrifices his life and the Renegade ending allows Shep to live! I would laugh so hard!

[Omnicrat]

Destroying the Collector base, regarding fighting the Reapers.



Anderson as councilor (the man resigns, so his whole agenda is discredited)



Letting that one guilty eclipse sister go.



Geth re-write (its really just renegade option two, if you think about it)



Save greybox. (the info gets revieled)



Save genophage data. (I think Werx's work is great, but no way he could control a hoard)



FU to council when given choice of re-specterification

[James2912]

Wait Anderson resigns is this from the book? Details pls!

[CroGamer002]

Anderson as Councilor is not Paragon choice.

[Spartas Husky]

Anderson probably resigns... probably not certaintly. Not because of the book dont care about it.



geth- rewrite... duno duno about it.



Letting Elnora the mercenary go... I honestly thought the volus was just pushing me to kill every merc... but I was skeptical about the way all eclipse sisters earn their uniform... if only I the detectie would have said something to I would have thought it to be true but... I let her go.



Using my specter status to let those two asari (geth infiltrators) in the citadel bypass security.



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Not have assaulted the liveship the quarian trial was being held with all my team members and killed every single of those admirals.... I regret not doing so.

[faeriehunter]

Reading Mass Effect: Retribution made me think that I might regret choosing Anderson to be Council member instead of Udina.

The book reveals that diplomacy isn't Anderson's strongest point, and he ended up having to resign his position. Now, in the book Udina is Council member and Anderson only a high diplomatic official, so it's possible that if Anderson is Council member he doesn't have to resign, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found out in ME3 that Anderson DID have to resign. If so, then he would probably be replaced by Udina, who may well carry a grudge against Shepard. After all, it was Shepard's recommendation of Anderson instead of Udina that prevented Udina from becoming Council member back in 2183.

I have also sometimes wondered if rewriting the geth in Legion's loyalty mission was the right thing to do.  Choosing to rewrite the geth means that Shepard is essentially forcing all hostile geth to oppose the Reapers via brainwashing. It's possible that the geth, fearful of more brainwashing, will distrust organics even more than they already do, preventing an alliance. Ironically, Shepard would then have to "recruit" the geth in ME3 by using the results of the Alarei research or project Overlord to brainwash hack the entire geth collective.

Modifié par faeriehunter, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:33 .

[Spartas Husky]

All I know is I better be able to put a gun to every councilors head... and hopefully push udina out an airlock, other I will be very dissapointed.

[Kenshen]

It isn't like we let loose the most vile criminals or that many of them to really matter. The galaxy is a big place and I doubt that Shep met every single bad guy out there so to think the handful of bad guys that were let go will make that much of a difference is a reach.



Now bigger choices like what to do with the Geth or collector base might but since this is BW we are talking about and the fact that ME3 will be a stand alone game (not needing a save from ME2 to play) nothing will really matter that much. In the end all that it would change is who we get an update email from.

[J0HNL3I]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Destroying the Collector base. Without a doubt, even I regret blowing it up sometimes...

i think they'll all go mad like on the dead reaper so im not that bothered

Modifié par J0HNL3I, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:43 .

[RiouHotaru]

Do we really need to have this discussion?

[Chuvvy]

Nothing. I kept the base and I'm almost positive bioware will think of something to **** me with. Or at the very least I won't get anything out of it. ME has been black an white through out the entire series.

[faeriehunter]

James2912 wrote...

Wait Anderson resigns is this from the book? Details pls!

In Mass Effect: Retribution, Anderson has been promoted to admiral and is a high diplomatic official of the Alliance, while Udina is Council member.

Anderson is given information on Cerberus that could potentially be their deathblow if used correctly. But giving this information to the Alliance would undoubtedly tip off Cerberus, so Anderson decides to go to the turians with the information, and to use his diplomatic powers to give the turians the legal authority they need to arrest and question Alliance personnel suspected of being Cerberus agents.

Just as Anderson suspected, this abuse of diplomatic powers causes a "political ****storm", so he resigns. The turian operation ends up hurting Cerberus, but since the Illusive Man managed to slip through the turians' grasp it did not destroy Cerberus as Anderson had hoped.

Since the book specifically mentions that Udina is Council member it's unsure if the same would happen if Anderson was Council member instead. For example, Anderson stays hidden with the turians for some time while setting up the operation against Cerberus, something that would probably not be possible if he was a Council member. And Anderson's resignation would be a much bigger deal if he was Council member instead of just a diplomatic official.

Modifié par faeriehunter, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:54 .

[Asheer_Khan]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Do we really need to have this discussion?

it's obvious that our "peace loving" renegades will fell bad if they don't procure thread like this from time to time...<_<

[magnuskn]

Omnicrat wrote...

FU to council when given choice of re-specterification

That's the renegade option.

[Jzadek72]

-Killing the council and causing a galactic political schism



-Giving reaper tech to a power-hungry pro-human terrorist



-Killing a powerful and potentially knowledgable ally



Oh, wait.



Interestingly, all the above arguements are situations used to back up renegade decisions, but they're worded in a biased way here. My point is that all decisions can either be really bad or really good depending on your point of view. Please, enough of these threads. It's moot.

[Vaenier]

Cerberus is not a terrorist organization damnit. Terrorists exist with the intent of causing terror. The word terrorist gets thrown around so much lately to describe any person who does not agree with the government... You dont agree with how the current war is handled? terrorist. you have a slightly different value on life than someone else? terrorist. You conduct experiments on people to further science? terrorist. Why dont we just call all Specters terrorists while we are at it, or the council terrorists for being dicks, or the Krogan terrorists for being so aggressive...

[James2912]

Vaenier wrote...

Cerberus is not a terrorist organization damnit. Terrorists exist with the intent of causing terror. The word terrorist gets thrown around so much lately to describe any person who does not agree with the government... You dont agree with how the current war is handled? terrorist. you have a slightly different value on life than someone else? terrorist. You conduct experiments on people to further science? terrorist. Why dont we just call all Specters terrorists while we are at it, or the council terrorists for being dicks, or the Krogan terrorists for being so aggressive...

I totally agree way over used! Like "communist" was used during the Red Scare. We need to be careful about the power of words, if we allow terrorist to mean anybody who disagrees with the government we are treading on VERY dangerous ground!

[Drowsy0106]

James2912 wrote...

I totally agree way over used! Like "communist" was used during the Red Scare. We need to be careful about the power of words, if we allow terrorist to mean anybody who disagrees with the government we are treading on VERY dangerous ground!

We are way, way past that 

[Sidac]

Omnicrat wrote...
FU to council when given choice of re-specterification

That is the 1 reason why I love my paragon. Just so I can play that scene over and over again but, plunging the galaxy into chaos prior to the reaper arrival, is just so much better.

Modifié par Sidac, 17 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[Jzadek72]

Vaenier wrote...

Cerberus is not a terrorist organization damnit. Terrorists exist with the intent of causing terror. The word terrorist gets thrown around so much lately to describe any person who does not agree with the government... You dont agree with how the current war is handled? terrorist. you have a slightly different value on life than someone else? terrorist. You conduct experiments on people to further science? terrorist. Why dont we just call all Specters terrorists while we are at it, or the council terrorists for being dicks, or the Krogan terrorists for being so aggressive...

I use the word terrorist in a very loose sense, I agree. What I meant was a militarised organisation considered terrifying by many, that uses militant means to an end and is not a government or country. I was only really using it to illustrate an extreme anti-renegade stance, that I don't actually have.
I didn't use it in the sense of someone who disagrees with the government, as people have said, it's a very dangerous path to go down. Given that I disagree with everything my current government is doing, I probably should have considered my words better. Thanks for taking me up on that.

[CSM31]

As well as individual choices possibly having bad consequences it is also possible that it is going to be the net effect of several choices that can have really dire consequences, with the most easily forseable being what role the Geth play.



Imagine the following set of choices



Legion: Loyalty mission not done, Dead or sold to cereberus

Tali Loyalty: -Not done or Paragon route with fathers data kept secret advised not to go to war

Project Overlord: Not done or Paragon route, project shut down



With this set of choices it is very likely that the Geth will be on the side of the reapers with no countermeasure, if however the Renegade route is taken in the Tali loyalty or Project Overlord missions then a countermeasure is possible