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Tali vs Liara

Débuté par Cranyx , janv. 17 2011 11:48

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 04:49

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Cranyx wrote...

I know this has been asked before, but I am having a really hard time deciding what to do for my main Shep, any suggestions/opinions?


Neither Go for Miranda dude

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 04:52

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Lizardviking wrote...

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You play DudeShep, right?

Tali.


What is this I don't even.... :mellow:

Yep, that's got to be one of the stupidest things I've read. Liara romance is nearly exactly the same with both genders. Voice acting is the only real difference, and that's just personal preference.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 04:58

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...


Realistically, Liara's new love will be brokering information and doing her duties as a Shadow Broker, that is why I never romanced her.


I have heard that you can have a relationship and a career...at the same time :whistle:

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 05:33

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Barquiel wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...


Realistically, Liara's new love will be brokering information and doing her duties as a Shadow Broker, that is why I never romanced her.


I have heard that you can have a relationship and a career...at the same time :whistle:


Of course, but Liara was crazily obsessed with everything to do with the Shadow Broker, whereas Tali is aboard the Normandy and so the relationship isn't long distance.

Quite funny me saying this when my Shepard I have saved ready for ME3 has Liara as a LI.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 05:40

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Never said it was.

Just stating a fact. ;)

You know, pretty much all video game romances fall into this category.

Maybe not Viconia?  Eh, still her, probably.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 06:17

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Threads like these are always kind of funny.

I know myself enough to know what kind of gal I want to romance in a video game....if the OP is desperate to only pick one then you need to do some soul-searching I guess in order to determine which is best for you.

Or, if you like both make multiple Shepards. I would do this if any other female LI (besides Liara) struck my fancy but they definitely don't so I roll with one Shepard.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 06:22

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Osena109 wrote...

Neither Go for Miranda dude


Seconded. :wizard:


Though I'd rather romance a Thresher Maw before Tali, so Liara is a clear winner in OP's question for me.

Modifié par Kronner, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:23 .

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 06:44

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F*ck, Marry, Kill, MaleShepard Edition:



F•ck Miranda (she's way more of a hellcat in the sack than crybaby Jack)

Marry Liara

Kill Tali



F*ck, Marry, Kill, FemShepard Edition:



F*ck Jacob (he's got to be good at something, and we know it isn't tactics)

Marry Kaidan

Kill Tali (why not?)

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 07:36

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Barquiel wrote...

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...


Realistically, Liara's new love will be brokering information and doing her duties as a Shadow Broker, that is why I never romanced her.


I have heard that you can have a relationship and a career...at the same time :whistle:

Being the shadow broker of the entire galaxy is more than 'just a career.' If you think back to ME1 and remember how many operations the shadow broker had his hands in, and that wasn't even in the terminus systems. Being the shadow broker, realistically, is a lifetime commitment. Liara would have to spend all her time on this, you saw how much all the information the Shadow Broker had meant to her.
Of course, ME3 may not look at it from that point of view, but I think that is a realistic view. This is my opinion however, Liara or Tali, I don't care who you prefer.
But my personal opinion is Tali.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 07:59

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Being the shadow broker of the entire galaxy is more than 'just a career.' If you think back to ME1 and remember how many operations the shadow broker had his hands in, and that wasn't even in the terminus systems. Being the shadow broker, realistically, is a lifetime commitment. Liara would have to spend all her time on this, you saw how much all the information the Shadow Broker had meant to her.


:huh:

I don't agree with this. The Shadow Broker network does indeed possess an enormous sphere of influence, and is one of the most powerful and influential organisations in the entire galaxy. However, Liara does also have a mass of computer systems to assist her, in addition to the VI Drone and an organic in Feron. It's not as if she will be forced to attend to her terminal every single waking moment of her life, as she is able to leave the network to temporarily run itself on a short-term basis.

Furthermore, Liara is able to spend a significant amount of time, possibly as much as a few hours, onboard the Normandy at the end of LotSB. Considering the fact that this occurs whilst Liara is still settling in to her new role, and has not yet found time to develop new automatic computer systems or alter the drone's settings, I think it would be inaccurate to suggest that her romance with Shepard can not realistically continue.

Sure, the pair of them are not going to be physically together 24/7, but this does not preclude a healthy and successful relationship. People in the military have to contend with months apart from their spouse or significant other.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:08

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Yeah, you're right, she does have help. But only in Feron and the VI drone, everyone else must be unaware of her new role. The previous shadow broker likely never left that room, he would have been glued to the terminals. Liara may not be the same, but I expressed my opinion, and my Shepard would not want to go into a relationship where someone has that huge commitment and responsibility. Tali, on the other hand, is on the Normandy and it would be an easier relationship from that point of view. She may be a squadmate in ME3, whereas I find it unlikely that Liara will be a squadmate per se, a prominent role, definately, but I don't think she will be on the team.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:17

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So a relationship is only viable if both parties are to constantly be at each other's side? Physical contact is more important than mutual trust, committment, loyalty and dedication? The chemistry and affection shared between two individuals is irrelevant if one of them were to undertake a huge responsibility?



I find that a difficult argument to understand, especially when considering the fact that Shepard has taken it upon herself to lead the war effort against the Reapers. That's a pretty big responsibility too.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:32

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Ok, now you are just taking what I'm saying and then putting it onto an extreme. I never said that Liara and Shepard have to be 'constantly by each other's side.' Neither did I say that 'physical contact is more important than mutual trust, commitment, loyalty and dedication.' So I don't know why you are putting this into your argument. Where did you get it from? Because it wasn't from me.

All I'm saying is that, personally, I would not want to go into a relationship with Liara as the Shadow Broker. If you think differently, then fair enough. But don't twist my words into something completely different to what I said, and then say 'I find that a difficult argument to understand.'

Because what you put wasn't even my argument.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:39

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I'm aware of the fact that it is your opinion, and you're perfectly entitled to it. However, when you assert that the Liara romance is undesirable due to the fact that Liara is not onboard the Normandy, and that she has undertaken a huge responsibility that results in both her and Shepard often being physically apart for the time being, what else is being suggested?



The implication is that close physical proximity takes precedence over anything else, and that the romance is not viable when the two are often spending time apart. I dispute this, and fail to see how this is a worthwhile argument against the Liara romance.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:44

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The implication is that close physical proximity takes precedence over anything else, and that the romance is not viable when the two are often spending time apart. I dispute this, and fail to see how this is a worthwhile argument against the Liara romance.


It's not. It is, however, a bonus, and someone who liked Liara and Tali equally based on their other qualities could legitimately use it as a tiebreaker.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:46

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I am not suggesting that 'physical proximity takes precedence over anything else.' I am just suggesting that relationships where you are apart are a lot more difficult than relationships where you are closer together.

That is all I'm suggesting. Simple as. I think you may be reading too much into it?

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:52

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Xilizhra wrote...

The implication is that close physical proximity takes precedence over anything else, and that the romance is not viable when the two are often spending time apart. I dispute this, and fail to see how this is a worthwhile argument against the Liara romance.

It's not. It is, however, a bonus, and someone who liked Liara and Tali equally based on their other qualities could legitimately use it as a tiebreaker.


This is certainly true...but I think you shouldn't base your decision on it ^_^
It is not unlikely that Shep is separated from both characters in ME3.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:55

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Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I am not suggesting that 'physical proximity takes precedence over anything else.' I am just suggesting that relationships where you are apart are a lot more difficult than relationships where you are closer together.
That is all I'm suggesting. Simple as. I think you may be reading too much into it?


Really?

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...
Realistically, Liara's
new love will be brokering information and doing her duties as a Shadow
Broker, that is why I never romanced her.


The above quote suggests that Liara's role as the Shadow Broker precludes any viable romance from occurring, and that any relationship is therefore undesirable.

I do not dispute the fact that relationships can be more difficult when both parties often spend time apart. However, contest the assertion that any romance which neglects to incorporate regular physical contact is undesirable.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:56

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Les enfants, you still haven't backed up your ridiculous claim that the Liara romance is somehow supremely superior as a femshep.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:56

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Tis all personal preference.



But you should go for Jacob.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 08:57

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darknoon5 wrote...

Les enfants, you still haven't backed up your ridiculous claim that the Liara romance is somehow supremely superior as a femshep.


I wouldn't call that ridiculous, as it's a subjective opinion that he and others are entitled to.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 09:01

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darknoon5 wrote...

Les enfants, you still haven't backed up your ridiculous claim that the Liara romance is somehow supremely superior as a femshep.


I shouldn't feel an obligation to defend what is my subjective opinion, and it is in no way "ridiculous."

Having said that, I believe FemShep/Liara to be superior because I prefer the chemistry between the two characters, I think it's alot more interesting to roleplay a lesbian Shepard, I think Shepard's voice acting is far superior, and I believe the relationship is generally more interesting.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 09:02

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jlb524 wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

Les enfants, you still haven't backed up your ridiculous claim that the Liara romance is somehow supremely superior as a femshep.


I wouldn't call that ridiculous, as it's a subjective opinion that he and others are entitled to.

As I said earlier, besides VA there's no difference, and that is, like I said, subjective, when in there post, they were definitive that the romance is superior as femshep.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 09:03

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Why have this thread? They are both awesome characters. Leave it at that.

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Posté 18 janvier 2011 - 09:07

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Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
Why have this thread? They are both awesome characters. Leave it at that.

I'm going to invoke the right to abuse power and leave the thread with this comment while I close it. There is a Tali thread. There is a Liara thread. I don't actually see much comparison between the two being made in this thread. If someone wants to know why the fans feel their character is so great, ask them in their threads. Trying to bring the two together like this is basically asking them to FIGHT! And no. We're not doing that.
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