54 réponses à ce sujet

[Osena109]

 I know there Stream lined the class's like warriors cant use Daul weapons or Bows  but i can't find if rouges can use long swords or not

Modifié par Osena109, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:40 .

[DaggerFiend]

Technecally, yes.

[Osena109]

DaggerFiend wrote...

Technecally, yes.

well that is good  but id like to see something  about it id like to play rouge this time around it was pretty nice class in DOA even if it was broken

[Tiax Rules All]

"Rogues" dammit

[wulfsturm]

Osena109 wrote...

well that is good  but id like to see something  about it id like to play rouge this time around it was pretty nice class in DOA even if it was broken

Sure, you can see something about it, in about a month or so.

[Hathur]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

"Rogues" dammit

As a pencil&paper D&D DM who visits forums for that game... I feel your pain.

[Seb Hanlon]

Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

[Xewaka]

Seb Hanlon wrote...
Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

I'm still curious as to why you went with "daggers" when "light blades" seem to fit better into what the weapon group actually contains, based on the precious little info we have about the matter. It's your call as you certainly have more information than us, but the choice of label here seems quite straightforward.

[Maria Caliban]

Osena109 wrote...

 I know there Stream lined the class's like warriors cant use Daul weapons or Bows  but i can't find if rouges can use long swords or not

No.

They can use daggers that are the length of some short swords, however.

Seb Hanlon wrote...

Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

Why not call them light blades? They're longer than real world daggers.

Dagger is shorthand for 'too wimpy to be a sword.'

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 janvier 2011 - 01:51 .

[wulfsturm]

Seb Hanlon wrote...

Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

So, that would be a negatory on the long swords then.

[TheMadCat]

Fortunately Dragon Age daggers look like long swords.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

Seb Hanlon wrote...

Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

Interesting, and what is the longest size, to your knowledge?

[Loc'n'lol]

There are some double-bladed err... "daggers" as well as seen in this pic (rogue on the far right) :

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:08 .

[Quinnzel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Seb Hanlon wrote...

Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

Why not call them light blades? They're longer than real world daggers.

Dagger is shorthand for 'too wimpy to be a sword.'

I thought Rapiers were shorthand for 'too wimpy to be a sword'?

Although there's a good point for a Dev, if a Rogue (Bard, Duelist, Swashbuckler etc) doesnt use a longsword, wouldnt a rapier be a better/similar alternative alongside short swords? In fact for some of those particular specialisations, wouldn't a rapier be more suitable? Does the DragonAge setting even have rapiers?

[Seb Hanlon]

Xewaka wrote...

Seb Hanlon wrote...
Dual-wielding rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and sizes.

I'm still curious as to why you went with "daggers" when "light blades" seem to fit better into what the weapon group actually contains, based on the precious little info we have about the matter. It's your call as you certainly have more information than us, but the choice of label here seems quite straightforward.

I'm not sure exactly why we called them "daggers" instead of "light blades", but for DA2, "that's what they were called in Origins" is a good guess.

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

Seb Hanlon wrote...
Dual-wielding
rogues can equip weapons classified as "daggers" of various shapes and
sizes.

Interesting, and what is the longest size, to your
knowledge?

To my knowledge? A little smaller than the typical warrior sword-and-shield sword. Keep in mind I'm an engineer, not a props artist nor a weapons designer. I don't have the props bible at hand, nor have I seen every item of every class in game.

Modifié par Seb Hanlon, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:10 .

[Bio Addict]

Do any of the pre order bonus blades count as daggers or are they all just swords?

[Loc'n'lol]

As far as I know that's the only weapon type that has not been represented in pre-order bonus items.
We have 1 one-handed word (fadeshear), 2 shields (lion of Orlais, Seeker's Bulwark), 2 staves (Parlathan, Apostate's courage), 1 bow (Adder of Antiva) and 1 greatsword (Might of the Sten).

[White_Buffalo94]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

There are some double-bladed err... "daggers" as well as seen in this pic (rogue on the far right) :

Say what you want, those are probably the coolest weapons I have ever seen. The dual rogue daggers in the pic, obviously.
Either that or a tie with the Staff of Parthalon
The Lion of Orlais shield is amazing though *nerd overload*

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Osena109 wrote...

 I know there Stream lined the class's like warriors cant use Daul weapons or Bows  but i can't find if rouges can use long swords or not

Nah, only daggers.  Instead of expanding options in the "sequel" DA2 there are less options for pretty much everything.

[TransientNomad]

Call it what you want but those things are not daggers. Dagger blades only measure about six inches, short swords (and weapons like them) are over a foot long which is what we see here. Rogues do not use real daggers in DA:O or DA2, they use short swords which were mislabeled as daggers.

[Gavinthelocust]

They don't call them short swords because it sounds too much like short blades. Even mentioning something having to do with Morrowind causes me and many others to have painful memories of cliff racers.
MY GOD THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Oh...nothing says class-handicap quite like class weapon limitations. I guess a rogue didn't invent a black jack in the world of Thedas? Hopefully rogue Hawke doesn't get captured and is forced into the situation of using an impromptu weapon or his/her hands.



Rogue Hawke: "Eww, a club, I could never use such a dreadful thing to escape with, I sure hope we come across some daggers! I can only use daggers even in dire situations of survival. What is that...a long sword? Omg...never! I'll just punch them instead and do my artful backflip animations. Yippee!"

[TransientNomad]

Personally, I would take a Short sword over a long sword. Sure you lose out on reach but its easier to handle.

[HolyAvenger]

It never made sense to me that you could dual-wield longswords anyway. Those things are freaking heavy and big, and the biomechanics of dual-wielding those...seems unlikely. You should be able to go the longsword/shortsword or longsword/dagger combo tho. Shame they took it out.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Yes, I agree. I wish rogues could at least use dual wielding for other weapon types like something as basic as a club or hatchet. Sure, "Daggers" is a vague description for alot of cutlery but it misses out on alot of fun weapon types and makes absolutely no freakin' sense from a lore perspective as to why every rogue just disregards all other weapons (aside from bows at range). I thought a rogue was supposed to be a versatile jack-of-all-trades type of character but master of none? Hmm...a shame the opposite applies to their weapon choices.