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[William Adama]

Two words:

The Cipher.

I think Shepard has gained some sort of weaponizable link to the Reapers through the Cipher that the Protheans used. Maybe he has the ability to use the Cipher some how to stop the entire Reaper threat forever.

This is why Illusive Man brought him/her back and why the Collectors (Reapers) wanted him also.

Maybe it has something to do with the Indoctrination methods that the Reapers use but in reverse.

[xlavaina]

whoops answered wrong question. Ignore 

Modifié par xlavaina, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:25 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Or maybe since he stopped the Reapers before, they just want to make sure he can't stop them again. Or they're just majorly TO'd at Shepard.

[xlavaina]

Oh wait I didn't answer the wrong question, just the wrong context. I'll post again:



Shepard has the unique ability to get people to follow him. He is also able to unite the races in a way that nobody has ever been able to do in the past. He is invaluable in the fight against the Reapers, and therefore the biggest threat to the Reapers, and anyone who says differently is mistaken.



Btw I don't know if Shep has a "weaponized link" to the Reapers, OP, that seems a little far fetched.

[William Adama]

I said they COULD weaponize it. It's obvious that the Reapers have a connection to one another, look what happened to Sovereign when Shepard faced Saren! Maybe the Cipher can tap into that connection somehow, it was a intergalactic relay system afterall.



Or maybe the Cipher contains some useful info on the Reapers that could be used to beat them. Who knows...



And why would the Reapers be afraid of any other organic race in the galaxy? Who cares if Shepard unites everyone against the Reapers, it took the entire Citadel and the Arcturus fleet to destroy ONE REAPER.



Why would using the Cipher to battle the Reapers seem far fetched? It's the only plausible explaination to why everyone values Shepard so much.



Who else used the Beacon?



Saren, and he is dead. It's the only thing that connects ME1 to ME3 and answers alot of the questions from ME2.

[BringerOfChaos]

William Adama wrote...

Two words:

The Cipher.

I think Shepard has gained some sort of weaponizable link to the Reapers through the Cipher that the Protheans used. Maybe he has the ability to use the Cipher some how to stop the entire Reaper threat forever.

This is why Illusive Man brought him/her back and why the Collectors (Reapers) wanted him also.

Maybe it has something to do with the Indoctrination methods that the Reapers use but in reverse.

This: 

Shepard: I must stop the Reapers!

Liara: No shepard, you are the reapers.

Then Shepard was a reaper.

[Gibb_Shepard]

The Cypher's been retconned. expect absolutely no mention of it in ME3.

[mx3ze]

Wow ! That theory with the Cipher... never tought of that ! Could be a reason !!

[StowyMcStowstow]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

The Cypher's been retconned. expect absolutely no mention of it in ME3.

Wouldn't that make Mass Effect entirely pointless, and ruin the series?

[Sith Reaper]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

The Cypher's been retconned. expect absolutely no mention of it in ME3.

That's idiotic. Just because Shepard doesn't mention the Cipher in the comic, does not mean it is being retconned. He just didn't mention it in the bloody comic.

Sometimes I wonder why people tend to jump to conclusions, and then pass them off to people as if it is fact.

[Kusy]

There is no reason behind it - just a gameplay thing.
In case you haven't noticed yet - Mass Effect 1 got retconed by Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:53 .

[Saren100]

The cipher gave shepard the ability to understand the protheon language and think like them.



He then was capable of understanding the vision from the beacon which was a warning about the reapers.



It in no way transferred him knowledge of any weapons or prothean military tech.



Also since the ps3 players will have no clue what the cipher is it will never be brought up again in me3.

[Kusy]

Sith Reaper wrote...
Sometimes I wonder why people tend to jump to conclusions, and then pass them off to people as if it is fact.

Because everything tells them to jump to that conclusion. Mass Effect 2 nearly whiped the storyline blank when it comes to the whole Reapers idea. You don't learn anything from ME2 and the cipher is not mentioned even once... considering it was the whole axis of the first game, I think it should have been.

[William Adama]

Saren100 wrote...

The cipher gave shepard the ability to understand the protheon language and think like them.

He then was capable of understanding the vision from the beacon which was a warning about the reapers.

It in no way transferred him knowledge of any weapons or prothean military tech.

Also since the ps3 players will have no clue what the cipher is it will never be brought up again in me3.

True, but the Protheans also unlocked the secrets of the Mass Relays... could Shepard have unlocked that secret also? Maybe we can strand the Reapers in one system of the galaxy and use all the races to wipe them out forever in a giant battle!

The Cipher was too big in ME1 to be ignored...

[Saren100]

William Adama wrote...

Saren100 wrote...

The cipher gave shepard the ability to understand the protheon language and think like them.

He then was capable of understanding the vision from the beacon which was a warning about the reapers.

It in no way transferred him knowledge of any weapons or prothean military tech.

Also since the ps3 players will have no clue what the cipher is it will never be brought up again in me3.

True, but the Protheans also unlocked the secrets of the Mass Relays... could Shepard have unlocked that secret also? Maybe we can strand the Reapers in one system of the galaxy and use all the races to wipe them out forever in a giant battle!

The Cipher was too big in ME1 to be ignored...

If shepard knew how to mess around with relays there wouldve been no issues with going through the omega 4 relay or turning it off cutting the collecters from the rest of the galaxy.

[Hathur]

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.

Modifié par Hathur, 18 janvier 2011 - 03:28 .

[Weiser_Cain]

He's the protagonist.

[UrdnotGrunty2]

Because they want to turn shepard into a reaper because he is the most worthy in the galaxy to become one since he defeated saren and soveriegn.

[Kakistos_]

I do not think that the reapers care about Shepard. He/She is just one human regardless of all the amazing accomplishments. I think that it was the collectors that had an interest in Shapard because of the victory against Sovereign.

[InHarmsWay]

Okay first thing. The Cipher is used in ME2. In a side quest he runs into a Prothean beacon which adds more to the vision he has. There you get the first suggestion that the Protheans are the Collectors. This suggests that while the Cipher is not important in part 2, they haven't completely forgotten about it. Which also suggests that it'll come up in part 3.



Second. Morinth will talk about the Cipher when she tries to seduce you (after the loyalty mission). Says that you're stronger than everyone because of the cipher.



Third. There was some deleted audio from the Shadow Broker where the Broker had files on the Collectors. Liara said that Shepard's victory had little interest from the Reapers. What the Collectors (ergo Reapers) were interested in was the cipher. Said it made him unique. Special.



I know the deleted audio is not canon but all of this information suggests a deeper meaning behind the cipher and vision.

[The Spamming Troll]

more importantly why do the reapers give a damn about humans? asari krogan and salarians are all much moire awesome. a liquefied combination of the three would be most definitely better then just humans.

[Gleym]

It's pretty simple, really. They spent so much time working on the daddy issues and assigned so much work to the side-characters, that they ran out of time and resources for the main plot, so they just slapped something together and voila! Shepard's story is complete. Sure, it's rigid and doesn't fit at all, and feels entirely mechanical while reducing Shepard's character to near-nothingness, but hey, we get to help Miranda deal her with daddy issues so we can get in her jumpsuit, so I guess all is forgiven.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I think they are afraid of humanity on the whole. It seems to me the reapers never thought of invading until humanity started kicking about the Universe and as Shepard is leading the way in this fight they want to take him out

Modifié par DinoSteve, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:14 .

[Kakistos_]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

more importantly why do the reapers give a damn about humans? asari krogan and salarians are all much moire awesome. a liquefied combination of the three would be most definitely better then just humans.

They chose humans because of their high genetic diversity/adaptability or something like that. It is supposedly required for the construction of the reaper.

Modifié par Kakistos_, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:22 .

[Voods07]

Its a simple straight-forward reason. Shepard was responsible for the the Destruction of Sovereign...a reaper. AKA....he was responsible for killing a reaper, so the rest want to take him out solely so he doesn't screw up the "cycle".



In essence, Shepard "knows too much" about the reapers, and it irritates them(Reapers).