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Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

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xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

I would have to disagree. It was the unexpected evolution of the Keepers that stoped the Reapers plan from unfolding. Shepard may have stopped Saren but in the end Sovereign was stopped by superior numbers and firepower, something that was an anticipated possibility, which is why it enlisted the Geth. To the reapers, Shepard is just another ant to be crushed.

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why did the collectors want shepard's body?

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mage1102 wrote...

why did the collectors want shepard's body?


To blend and put in the human reaper, because apparently Shep's awesomly awesome genetics would make the terminator that much better.

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Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

I would have to disagree. It was the unexpected evolution of the Keepers that stoped the Reapers plan from unfolding. Shepard may have stopped Saren but in the end Sovereign was stopped by superior numbers and firepower, something that was an anticipated possibility, which is why it enlisted the Geth. To the reapers, Shepard is just another ant to be crushed.


I'd like to have some of the stuff you're smoking, please.

You do know that the fleet wouldn't have a shot at Sovereign (literally) if Shepard didn't stop Saren and open the arms of the Citedal, right?

Not to mention the fact that Shepard stopped the Rachni and Benezia on Noveria and Saren from creating a Krogan army on Virmire.

Modifié par xXSnak3Eat3rXx, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .


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xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

I would have to disagree. It was the unexpected evolution of the Keepers that stoped the Reapers plan from unfolding. Shepard may have stopped Saren but in the end Sovereign was stopped by superior numbers and firepower, something that was an anticipated possibility, which is why it enlisted the Geth. To the reapers, Shepard is just another ant to be crushed.


I'd like to have some of the stuff you're smoking, please.

You do know that the fleet wouldn't have a shot at Sovereign (literally speaking) if Shepard didn't stop Saren and open the arms of the Citedal.

True. In the end however, it was not Shepard who destroyed Sovereign, if was the fleet. The Reapers could care less about Shepard as an individual. For all they know or care, the one who opened the arms of the Citadel was Rabbit.

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Shepard's dangerous because of what he represents: unification of the entire galaxy against a comparably small amount of Reapers. If they don't kill him now, then they would have a harder fight on their hands when he attacks them head-on with all the forces he's rallied behind him. Killing one man to squash all hope is easier than going through the whole galaxy to do so.

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Kakistos_ wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

more importantly why do the reapers give a damn about humans? asari krogan and salarians are all much moire awesome. a liquefied combination of the three would be most definitely better then just humans.

They chose humans because of their high genetic diversity/adaptability or something like that. It is supposedly required for the construction of the reaper.


yeah but when its all goo anyways, then why not throw some asari and krogan in the mix as well.

....or what if there already is a krogan reaper.


holy ****.

KROGAN REAPER!!!!!!!!!

i just blew my own mind

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William Adama wrote...

Two words:

The Cipher.

I think Shepard has gained some sort of weaponizable link to the Reapers through the Cipher that the Protheans used. Maybe he has the ability to use the Cipher some how to stop the entire Reaper threat forever.

This is why Illusive Man brought him/her back and why the Collectors (Reapers) wanted him also.

Maybe it has something to do with the Indoctrination methods that the Reapers use but in reverse.


That would be an interesting twist. You could choose at the end of me3 to use the link to destroy them or take control of them and take over the galaxy yourself for renegade ending.

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Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

I would have to disagree. It was the unexpected evolution of the Keepers that stoped the Reapers plan from unfolding. Shepard may have stopped Saren but in the end Sovereign was stopped by superior numbers and firepower, something that was an anticipated possibility, which is why it enlisted the Geth. To the reapers, Shepard is just another ant to be crushed.


I'd like to have some of the stuff you're smoking, please.

You do know that the fleet wouldn't have a shot at Sovereign (literally speaking) if Shepard didn't stop Saren and open the arms of the Citedal.

True. In the end however, it was not Shepard who destroyed Sovereign, if was the fleet. The Reapers could care less about Shepard as an individual. For all they know or care, the one who opened the arms of the Citadel was Rabbit.


That's like saying who cares about the President of the US as an individual? The marines/army have the superior numbers and firepower.

Shepard is a charismatic leader who became the first Human Spectre and sabotaged every plan of Sovereign every step of the way. He commanded the Alliance to destroy Sovereign - he/she had the POWER to either save the Council or let it die. He/she holds the POWER to unite the whole galaxy under one banner and pit them against the Reapers. In the eyes of the Reapers, Shepard is the prophet for their destruction.

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xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Kakistos_ wrote...

xXSnak3Eat3rXx wrote...

Hathur wrote...

It's actually much simpler than you're all making it out to seem.

For 10's of thousands of years, the Reapers continued "the cycle" .. with the Protheans, and all the species before them.

For 10's of thousands of years... it worked.. against all organic life. The Reapers were unstoppable for ages.

Shepard broke the cycle.... she/he stopped something that the Reapers were doing for longer than humans can even comprehend... no other species the Reapers ever encountered had done this.

Thus, the Reapers conclude that this Shepard person is something unique... something that even they may need to fear... for no other organic alien species was ever able to stop them from coming to repeat the cycle.

They're scared of Shepard... thus, the reason they have such fascination with her / him.


Exactly how I'd sum it up.

I would have to disagree. It was the unexpected evolution of the Keepers that stoped the Reapers plan from unfolding. Shepard may have stopped Saren but in the end Sovereign was stopped by superior numbers and firepower, something that was an anticipated possibility, which is why it enlisted the Geth. To the reapers, Shepard is just another ant to be crushed.


I'd like to have some of the stuff you're smoking, please.

You do know that the fleet wouldn't have a shot at Sovereign (literally speaking) if Shepard didn't stop Saren and open the arms of the Citedal.

True. In the end however, it was not Shepard who destroyed Sovereign, if was the fleet. The Reapers could care less about Shepard as an individual. For all they know or care, the one who opened the arms of the Citadel was Rabbit.


That's like saying who cares about the President of the US as an individual? The marines/army have the superior numbers and firepower.

Shepard is a charismatic leader who became the first Human Spectre and sabotaged every plan of Sovereign every step of the way. He commanded the Alliance to destroy Sovereign - he/she had the POWER to either save the Council or let it die. He/she holds the POWER to unite the whole galaxy under one banner and pit them against the Reapers. In the eyes of the Reapers, Shepard is the prophet for their destruction.

Hero Worship. An organic concept that Reapers care naught for. Shepard is just one human regardless of his/her accomplishments. If the Reapers do indeed view Shepard as an individual threat then they will simply wait 100 years or so for him/her to die.

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Why not, it took time to figure what planet was it in ME1 and what is it about in general. Perhaps now he starts getting other memories.

Shepard didn't quite break the cycle. It was the Protheans, who gave him means to delay it. They fear whatever Prothean knowledge, and since Shepard has those memories, he may remember something that Reapers can't quite change easily... perhaps not without turning everyone into goo first, getting them cornered in a sense.

It's different words for same thing. 

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C'mon now, even the Reapers would be stupid not to respect that kind of power. Why do you think Harbinger went after humans in ME2? And hell, Harbinger even went after Ashley Williams on Horizon.

"Human! You have the attention of those infinitely your greater"

That quote by Harbinger pretty much sums it up.

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didnt Harbinger only attack Horizon because Ashley Williams was there and it hoped it would get Shepard to come because he knew Ashley?

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Kakistos_ wrote...
If the Reapers do indeed view Shepard as an individual threat then they will simply wait 100 years or so for him/her to die.


This. And only this. 

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Kakistos_ wrote...

True. In the end however, it was not Shepard who destroyed Sovereign, if was the fleet. The Reapers could care less about Shepard as an individual. For all they know or care, the one who opened the arms of the Citadel was Rabbit.


Odd. As I recall even with the Citadel opened up the entire fleet had no shot at Sovereign due to its superior shields. Only reason they got past those shields is cause Sovereign posssessed Saren's body, upon which Shepard figuratively gave Sovereign a kick in the balls which caused Sovereign's shields to drop. Then, and only then, was the fleet able to take it down.

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I think the answer may be quite simple:



Shepard has defeated a reaper. He has stalled their (who knows how long-running) extinction cycle. Shepard may very well be the only organic to ever have posed them a threat. This is reason enough for them to focus on him so intently.

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NewMessageN00b wrote...

Why not, it took time to figure what planet was it in ME1 and what is it about in general. Perhaps now he starts getting other memories.

Shepard didn't quite break the cycle. It was the Protheans, who gave him means to delay it. They fear whatever Prothean knowledge, and since Shepard has those memories, he may remember something that Reapers can't quite change easily... perhaps not without turning everyone into goo first, getting them cornered in a sense.

It's different words for same thing. 

Indubitably, it was the last surviving Protheans who discovered a way to sabotage the ability for the Reapers to activate the Keepers into starting the process for the Reapers to return to the Galaxy from Dark Space.
Kasumi’s mission helps us discover that Data can be integrated into memory, which might shed a light on why everyone is so interested in what might have been put into Shepard’s memory from the encounters with the Beacons.
From Mordin we also learn that humans are the most Ideal subjects for Genetic mutation and experimentation, more so than any of the other races. It may be that the Reapers don’t want to wipe out humanity, since the process of eliminating a whole species like the Protheans (who apparently were alone in the Galaxy) took a long time. Perhaps the Galaxy has never had such a large, diverse population of organics for the Reapers to deal with.
It seemed to me, even more so now that I’ve gone through ME1, that ME2 revolved around the discovery of the origin of the Collectors, with the new weapon upgrade there to underline the significance of that event, although it seems the anticipation of getting a new weapon choice might have diminished the impact. :P
The Reapers appear to be harvesting the organics, not just trying to wipe out all life.  It may be that they are seeking to use Humanity as a weapon against the other races.

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I truly do not see why the Reapers would be interested in Shepard personally. Yes he/she had a large role in defeating Sovereign but so what? The Reapers have undoubtedly had casualties before. Do you recall the derelic reaper? How successful can they be if every time they lose one of their own they go after the one responsible like a crazy robo?

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His code is superior

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The Keepers didn't do what they were supposed to do, so "somehow" Saren and Sovreign got together and enlisted the aid of the geth to take back the citadel. Saren was to initiate the call back to dark sapce to bring back the other Reapers while Sovereign fought off the fleet of ships. Shepard talked Saren into fighting the indoctrination and he killed himself. Sovereign took control of the RobotZombieSaren out of desperation and Shepard killed him. Sovereign was dead and the fleet destroyed an empty shell.

All in all it was a joint effort w/ a lot of happenstance though Shepard got most of the credit.

Why do the Reapers want Shepard? S/he was instrumental in the defeat of their vanguard, Sovereign and can has the Cipher. Then again, maybe it's hero worship on Harbinger's part. Some of those things he says to Shepard ...

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Kakistos_ wrote...

I truly do not see why the Reapers would be interested in Shepard personally. Yes he/she had a large role in defeating Sovereign but so what? The Reapers have undoubtedly had casualties before. Do you recall the derelic reaper? How successful can they be if every time they lose one of their own they go after the one responsible like a crazy robo?


The only thing that really makes any sense is the Cipher, which enables Shepard to understand the Prothean language. LotSB hints to more Prothean tech in the future, so there may be some kind of weapon that could destroy the Reapers. Why didn’t they just destroy this weapon or just wait until Shepard is dead?  Sovereign is amazingly arrogant in ME1 and Harbinger is amazingly stupid in ME2.  Still w/ vast numbers and far superior firepower they could manage to knock of a galaxy. 

or

The main plot of ME2 is just suck.  The characters and their missions are great, but everything else either makes little to no sense or is just bad. Take your pick.

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JamieCOTC wrote...
 or just wait until Shepard is dead?


You just compleatly destroyed the storyline. Good job. Now Mass Effect makes no sense.

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Because Shepard is the main character, and if the Reapers just ignored you then you wouldn't be the hero.

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Kakistos_ wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

more importantly why do the reapers give a damn about humans? asari krogan and salarians are all much moire awesome. a liquefied combination of the three would be most definitely better then just humans.

They chose humans because of their high genetic diversity/adaptability or something like that. It is supposedly required for the construction of the reaper.


I think that the Human Reaper was being built as a replacement for Sovereign. The Reapers planned on using the Collectors to build a Reaper ammalgamation using organics from this side of the Mass Relays. They used humans because we carry the highest genetic diversity and malleability, meaning that we could be adapted to Reaper tech much easier. The Collectors would go after Earth, take all the humans, build the Human Reaper, then attack the Citadel again and reactivate the Citadel Relay... boom, the invasion begins again.

That may explain WHY the Collectors were building the Human Reaper, but why are the Collectors and Reapers (as well as Cerberus) so interested in Shepard? He/She's one person. The ONLY thing that makes Shepard unique is the Cipher.

Saren used it and look how valuable he was to Sovereign, he even shared a connection to it which brought about its downfall.

Modifié par William Adama, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:00 .