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[_punt172o]

Whoever did your facial emotions in ME1 knew what he/she was doing.  They understood the emotion of the current situation and adjusted emotion, brow squeeze, happiness, anger accordingly.

But in ME2 whoever was in charge of facial emotion for shepard had no idea what they were doing.

Look at this.. This is soooo disturbing.. I'm so upset because I loved Mass Effect so much..

JACOB is correct.. He looks her in the eyes...

JACOB LOOKS HER IN THE EYES


BROKEN


(above) Why isn't she looking Jacob in the eye? Is she a coward?.. Jacob is looking her in the eyes!!!  She is a soldier, that is one of the first things you learn. Look people DIRECTLY IN THE EYES.... In the Dragon Age II editor you had total control over this... You should of also squeezed her brow since she was confused, angry & IN COMBAT...

FIXED (I'M NO ARTIST...)


Please bioware, show the same love you had for your game as the very beginning....  I may submit my resume soon. I NEED to help avoid stuff like this.

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:30 .

[InvaderErl]

I think you're misremembering. I recall Shepard's blank vacant stare all throughout ME1 as well.

[_punt172o]

InvaderErl wrote...

I think you're misremembering. I recall Shepard's blank vacant stare all throughout ME1 as well.

I never once thought about it.... She was always angry when she was angry, curious when she was curious, and smiled when she was happy...

[InvaderErl]

I suspect you're seeing things were things are not.



I literally just played ME1 last week, Shep does a lot of O_O throughout it.

[_punt172o]

InvaderErl wrote...

I suspect you're seeing things were things are not.

I literally just played ME1 last week, Shep does a lot of O_O throughout it.

Prove it, post your screenshots and the current emotion of the situation.

[blackashes411]

punt172o wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I think you're misremembering. I recall Shepard's blank vacant stare all throughout ME1 as well.

I never once thought about it.... She was always angry when she was angry, curious when she was curious, and smiled when she was happy...

Always? That's a pretty bold claim. Always = 100% of the time he/she conveys the correct emotion. ME1 still had some problems conveying emotion through the face consistently.

Modifié par blackashes411, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:54 .

[_punt172o]

blackashes411 wrote...

punt172o wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I think you're misremembering. I recall Shepard's blank vacant stare all throughout ME1 as well.

I never once thought about it.... She was always angry when she was angry, curious when she was curious, and smiled when she was happy...

Always? That's a pretty bold claim. ME1 still had some problems conveying emotion through the face consistently.

Oh realy? PROVE IT.

I played ME1 over & over again.  Why did I never think about it then?

I knew there was something wrong in ME2, my gut kept telling me something was wrong... It's the facial emotions of shepard.... Bioware needs to make sure they hire perfectionists. People who are passionate about making games.  Not someone who is looking for a paycheck and getting out of the office by 5:30pm.

[InvaderErl]

I unfortunately have Mass Effect on the ol Xbox and honestly I'm not trying to insult you so don't take it that way. Here's what I cobbled off of google, I tried to get one's that Shep was at least in conversation and not in-game but there really wasn't much available.







[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yDTf7ZalD7qPxM:http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh272/Banadan/Mass%20Effect%20Moments/MassEffect1Shepard.jpg&t=1[/img]


A good one I couldn't even find was Shep's reaction to the Virmire death.

O_O

Modifié par InvaderErl, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:02 .

[Possessedkitten]

ME1 didnt have more emotion than ME2 though ME2 did have some really annoying moments when there was no emotion like that bit were m/shep meets Giana Parasini from ME1 and she kisses him on the cheek whilst he stares blankly at her.

[PauseforEffect]

I'm inclined to agree; Bioware did a wonderful job on body movement, eye twitches and facial expressions. Problem is that they did too good a job to the point where if Shepard's not spot on at the right time, it hits the uncanny valley.

Not a big issue for me, but I do miss the vivid eye colour you could see in ME1. Violet eyes were a startling shade to see on a person.

[InvaderErl]

PrimalEden wrote...

I'm inclined to agree; Bioware did a wonderful job on body movement, eye twitches and facial expressions. Problem is that they did too good a job to the point where if Shepard's not spot on at the right time, it hits the uncanny valley.
Not a big issue for me, but I do miss the vivid eye colour you could see in ME1. Violet eyes were a startling shade to see on a person.

I agree. When it works it works like hell but there were a few moments where I was like *shudder*.

[_punt172o]

(above) in the above screenshot he is 1. making eye contact ... 2. has a look of determination on his face.  3. he is taking care of business. 4) he is also sympathetic.



(above) in this screen his look suits the occasion. Looking straight ahead, no fear, eyes piercing the soul of the person he is talking to.




(above) I'm not sure she is looking at anyone.... If not then the face suits the occasion as she is thinking of something..

[img]http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yDTf7ZalD7qPxM:http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh272/Banadan/Mass%20Effect%20Moments/MassEffect1Shepard.jpg&t=1[/img]


(above) what is the dialogue exactly in this one? This person is looking straight ahead, most likely into the eyes of who they are talking to.. This is a good facial expression that can suit many different scenarios.


In my screenshots shepard is NOT looking into Jacob's eyes.. THIS IS A SIGN OF FEAR... If Shepard is going to lead Jacob she needs to mad dog him right in the eye and demoralize him...

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:31 .

[blackashes411]

punt172o wrote...

blackashes411 wrote...

punt172o wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I think you're misremembering. I recall Shepard's blank vacant stare all throughout ME1 as well.

I never once thought about it.... She was always angry when she was angry, curious when she was curious, and smiled when she was happy...

Always? That's a pretty bold claim. ME1 still had some problems conveying emotion through the face consistently.

Oh realy? PROVE IT.

I played ME1 over & over again.  Why did I never think about it then?

I knew there was something wrong in ME2, my gut kept telling me something was wrong... It's the facial emotions of shepard.... Bioware needs to make sure they hire perfectionists. People who are passionate about making games.  Not someone who is looking for a paycheck and getting out of the office by 5:30pm.

ughh, nevermind. Whether or not ME1 did a better job at facial expressions is besides the point. I was only disagreeing with your belief that ME1 did not make ANY mistakes in facial expressions. The more important thing to focus on is that ME3 should make sure to make quality facial animations, which I agree with you. If I didn't, then I'd be f**king stupid.

[InvaderErl]

punt172o wrote...


In my screenshots shepard is NOT looking into Jacob's eyes.. THIS IS A SIGN OF FEAR... If Shepard is going to lead Jacob she needs to mad dog him right in the eye and demoralize him...

Modifié par InvaderErl, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:06 .

[Captain_Obvious_au]

I wonder how long this thread will take before it becomes yet another one of punts "nvidia 3D" spam threads...

On the assumption s/he'll behave themselves, the 'correction' in the OP looks ridiculous, she looks like a Sith Lord. There's nothing wrong with Shepards facial features, I can't see any difference between ME1 and ME2.

[_punt172o]

InvaderErl wrote...

punt172o wrote...


In my screenshots shepard is NOT looking into Jacob's eyes.. THIS IS A SIGN OF FEAR... If Shepard is going to lead Jacob she needs to mad dog him right in the eye and demoralize him...

You see his eyes, his brows?... That is a genuine look. It's superior in nature..

Thank you for helping us out... Notice the facial emotion in this screenshot? I expect the same perfection from Bioware when making Dragon Age II & Mass Effect 3...

If they need help, well I am going to submit my resume in the next 2-3 days.  No ego, no pride, just a genuine love of their game and a desire to help beyond 8 hours a day.

[_punt172o]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

I wonder how long this thread will take before it becomes yet another one of punts "nvidia 3D" spam threads...
On the assumption s/he'll behave themselves, the 'correction' in the OP looks ridiculous, she looks like a Sith Lord. There's nothing wrong with Shepards facial features, I can't see any difference between ME1 and ME2.

I'm sorry I'm not a better artist.

The most important things are this:

1. Shepard should look into Jacob's eyes and pierce his soul.   She should immediately tell him who is boss with her eyes alone.

2. Jacob looks into her eyes with no fear, the utmost dedication.. It's obvious that HE is the alpha and NOT shepard.. This needs to be reversed..

Can you really not see this?.... Look.. Look.... Look... Shepard just awoke from being reconstructed after two years.. Her body his in agony, in pain.. Her tissue is still rebuilding.

Do you realy believe that is how her facial expression would like if she was:

1. newly reconstructed
2. tissue not generated properly
3. muscle atrophy (even 15% would be annoying)
4. in combat
5. needing to posture on someone to show who is boss (jacob)

Are you telling me that what you intiially saw was perfect, or did a small part of you wonder why this scene was not as good as it should be?

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:12 .

[blackashes411]

If you'd show us another scene, MAYBE I'd be more inclined to discuss about this, but so far, it seems the problem surrounds just this one, VERY SMALL, fraction of the game.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

So Shepard wakes up after being dead for the past two years, in a facility they've never seen, facing enemies they've never seen, in a situation they know nothing about. They then meet an unknown person, and they're immediately supposed try to dominate them. Really? That's what you're arguing?

[_punt172o]

blackashes411 wrote...

If you'd show us another scene, MAYBE I'd be more inclined to discuss about this, but so far, it seems the problem surrounds just this one, VERY SMALL, fraction of the game.

THANK YOU...

The next scene problem is with Shepard & Miranda...



(above)

Shepard is just so happy about everything that is going on. She can easily bring herself to smile..

"thanks miranda for everything, you're the best friend a gal could ever have!!.."

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:28 .

[_punt172o]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

So Shepard wakes up after being dead for the past two years, in a facility they've never seen, facing enemies they've never seen, in a situation they know nothing about. They then meet an unknown person, and they're immediately supposed try to dominate them. Really? That's what you're arguing?

Wow..  Please allow me to apologize.. I can tell that you haven't been exposed to the same things I have..

There are certain situations in life where you will be threatened... When you are threatened you can NEVER show fear... Please try to understand this.. If not for the sake of this game, but for the sake of your own good.

Never show fear no matter what.. Is that ok to tell you?  hehe *hugs*... Don't show fear bro..

[Phategod1]

My only issue is with your 1st example, talking about the meeting of Jacob, this takes place after 5 minutes of waking from the dead. So I dont blame him/her not show great eye to eye contact but Bioware might want to take some pointers on emoting.

[_punt172o]

Phategod1 wrote...

My only issue is with your 1st example, talking about the meeting of Jacob, this takes place after 5 minutes of waking from the dead. So I dont blame him/her not show great eye to eye contact but Bioware might want to take some pointers on emoting.

Then what you do is you show one eye focused on Jacob, and the other eye cross eyed.  You squint both eyes as if she is struggling to focus. This shows that she is TRYING, ATTEMPING to look him in the eye be she cannot due to her waking from the dead.  This will make us feel vulnerable. And while we feel vulnerable, struggling to posture against Jacob, he is still friendly and understanding, SOLDIER TO SOLDIER.

You underestimate shepard and for that I will never forgive you..... How dare you underestimate shepard... HOW DARE YOU.. Re-think your position and respond here asking for forgiveness or come up with an idea BETTER THAN MINE.. Challenge is good! bring it!

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:42 .

[Whereto]

If you don't mind punt172o, please elaborate on what exactly you have been exposed to that captian may not have. It's just when say they have this so called experience, that other don't, it's normal bs. You may not be lying, but when people say these things it is just in defense of a losing argument.

[_punt172o]

Whereto wrote...

If you don't mind punt172o, please elaborate on what exactly you have been exposed to that captian may not have. It's just when say they have this so called experience, that other don't, it's normal bs. You may not be lying, but when people say these things it is just in defense of a losing argument.

Whereto, imagine me & you are in a fire fight... I am trying to give you orders... I'm going to assume you are strong... Will you:

a) look into my eyes and embrace my orders
 look down like a coward
c) look down confused, lost, having no idea where you are.
d) think about the past as if you've had no combat experience

Given the nature of Shepard, A is the only logical choice, don't you agree?

If me & you were in a physical fight, I gurantee you that you will be looking into my eyes every second.. Shepard doesn't know Jacob at this point, SHE MUST consider him a potential friend but at the same time as a FOE.

On a side note.. I LOVE MASS EFFECT SO MUCH THAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT SUFFER SUCH UTTER BULL****.... PLEASE RESPECT MY ANGER, I HAVE NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR THIS GAME.

Modifié par punt172o, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:54 .