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[Augustei]

When I read what peoples endgame choices were, like 99% of them say they destroyed the Anvil. Am I the only one that Preserved it? I mean it seems like a good choice to make, help push back the Darkspawn and help the dwarves reclaim their lost thaigs. I mean sure branka is nuts and she goes a bit to crazy but still, It seems to be a case of little evil for greater good.

Did anybody else preserve it?

[PlayingWithKnives]

Come to think of it in all my playthrough's which is alot i dont think i ever have, what are the pros and cons of preserving the anvil ?

[Augustei]

Cons: Involves Sacrificing the Free Will of all those made into Golems.



Pros: Golems are a force to be recokened with. They can help the dwarves reclaim their lost thaigs, They can help kill the darkspawn and make a difference in the blight.



(And they stop Harrowmont from dying if you choose him which is neither a pro or a con really)

[PlayingWithKnives]

Ah ok ty il maybe give it a go on my next playthrough just hope too many party members dont get mad at me for it.

[Augustei]

Shale will be the only one to actually leave for it. But Wynne, Leliana and Alistair get a bit upset, not to bad though they just say a few words and shut up and loose a bit of approval.

[Augustei]

Im up to a Paragon of her kind now, and this is for my Import save for DA2 but cant decide whether to keep it or not and who to make king. lol

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I have a hard time preserving it just because it's Branka who'll be in control of it. The woman sacrificed her entire house to the darkspawn, even to letting the women be raped by darkspawn, just so she could get her hands on it. Even if saving the Anvil seems like a practical choice, letting Branka be in charge of it is like giving nuke codes to a psychopath.



One of my recent Wardens preserved it though, because he doesn't give a crap about the dwarves and whatever happens in Orzammar after the Blight isn't going to concern him. It can collapse and cave in for all he cares.

[HolyAvenger]

Essentially, do you believe the ends justify the means? I don't, my characters don't and hence I would never preserve the Anvil.

[Augustei]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Essentially, do you believe the ends justify the means? I don't, my characters don't and hence I would never preserve the Anvil.

So I take it you side with Harrowmont for king as well?

[HolyAvenger]

Yes- or rather, I have in my canon playthrough. I don't metagame.

[ejoslin]

I have preserved the anvil, but it's not my normal choice. Aside from the obvious torture (molten lyrium through the eyes) and the eternity of slavery, after talking to Shale and learning she was conscious during her deactivated time... ugh.



But yeh, the golems have the potential to defeat the darkspawn and weaken them in between blights. If Branka were sane, it would be a far more difficult decision for me.

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Essentially, do you believe the ends justify the means? I don't, my characters don't and hence I would never preserve the Anvil.

So I take it you side with Harrowmont for king as well?

Harrowmont's a bigoted fool who leads Orzammar to despair and is willing to murder the people of Dust Town if he gains golems from Branka, and Branka is completely insane and hears voices. I don't think it's an issue of the ends justifying the means. If Branka was a sane person who genuinely wanted to save Orzammar from the darkspawn threat, then the game would be offering the Warden a choice that focused on the ends justifying the means. However, Branka is mentally unstable, and that's abundantly clear when she's speaking to the Warden. Even Oghren acknowledges this when she's ranting about sparing the Anvil in the Caridin confrontation. Her entire plan to use darkspawn to get through Caridin's traps is utterly ridiculous, and she hears voices in her heard. Since there's no sane person capable of handling the Anvil, the logical choice is to destroy it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

If I use metagaming and know for sure that golems will not be necessary, I would not preserve the anvil. But as it stands, my canon choice is to preserve it (and the golems are well worth it), though I naturally don't trust Branka (I do trust her to test her golems on the darkspawn however).

But even with metagamig, destroying the anvil is such a waste. I wish we had the option to kill Branka, but leave the anvil. Destroying it is a waste and I absolutely hate waste.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:30 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The act of making Golems in itself isn't all that bad. It's the act of creating Control Rods which is bad.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 18 janvier 2011 - 04:35 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Kept it on a few runs.



Since I dont really have a canon run I dont know.

Personally I want to kill Branka and keep the anvil but hey we get what we get.



As it is I personally want to keep it but handing it over to Branka? No.

[IanPolaris]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Kept it on a few runs.

Since I dont really have a canon run I dont know.
Personally I want to kill Branka and keep the anvil but hey we get what we get.

As it is I personally want to keep it but handing it over to Branka? No.

This is why I almost always spare the Anvil these days.  Branka is nuttier than a Nug in a Tanner's Shop as Oghren puts it (and he would know), but saving the Anvil is about knowing the difference between today and tomorrow and acting on it.  Assuming you stabilize Orzammar with a strong King (and Bhelen certainly is that), then you know that Branka can't live forever.  Eventually she is going to die, and that will leave the Anvil there waiting for the Dwarves after an unpleasent couple of decades (given how nutty she is, I don't think she lasts much longer than that!)

On the other hand, if you destroy the Anvil, it's gone forever, and that's a far greater loss than anything Branka might do with it on her own (with a strong king keeping her in check) for a couple three decades.

-Polaris

[jpdipity]

The only reason I don't preserve the Anvil is because Branka is nutters. If I had the choice to take the Anvil myself or hand over to someone else, I would preserve it. However, Branka is unstable and there is no way that anyone is going to be able to control what or how she does anything. It is simply too dangerous of a weapon to be controlled by a nut like Branka.



I don't metagame either - I almost always pick Bhelan for King.

[Deadmac]

XxDeonxX wrote...
Shale will be the only one to actually leave for it. But Wynne, Leliana and Alistair get a bit upset, not to bad though they just say a few words and shut up and loose a bit of approval.

Lol... If you end up getting your team members mad, just give them one of those 'romance' gifts. You may get -5 from everyone, but you get +10 for the right type of gift. Hehehe...

"I hate your choices, but I love being wooed."
"Even though you killed half the world, I cannot be upset with you becasue you gave me such nice things."

Modifié par Deadmac, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:46 .

[LobselVith8]

IanPolaris wrote...

Assuming you stabilize Orzammar with a strong King (and Bhelen certainly is that), then you know that Branka can't live forever.  Eventually she is going to die, and that will leave the Anvil there waiting for the Dwarves after an unpleasent couple of decades (given how nutty she is, I don't think she lasts much longer than that!)

Unless Branka has the means of pulling a Caridin and becoming a golem herself.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wish we had the option to kill Branka, but leave the anvil. Destroying it is a waste and I absolutely hate waste.

Pretty much this.

If it weren't Branka the one who was going to control it, I would at least consider it. The Anvil + Volunteers is not a bad thing in my opinion (assuming the volunteers know exactly what they are getting into).

Not that I would surely keep it, but it wouldn't be such an easy decision in that case. Caridin's plea would be hard to ignore for me in any case. He created it, he's the one who should decide it's fate.

[IanPolaris]

LobselVith8 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Assuming you stabilize Orzammar with a strong King (and Bhelen certainly is that), then you know that Branka can't live forever.  Eventually she is going to die, and that will leave the Anvil there waiting for the Dwarves after an unpleasent couple of decades (given how nutty she is, I don't think she lasts much longer than that!)

Unless Branka has the means of pulling a Caridin and becoming a golem herself.

It's pretty clear that you have to have someone else make you into a Golem.  You can't do it yourself which leads back to my original point.

-Polaris

[Cutlass Jack]

Destroying the Anvil and Branka are the only choices I'd ever consider. Branka was 'Princess Stabbidy Stab' crazy, so I certainly wasn't going to let her get anywhere near the thing after I saw what her obsessions drove her to. If she was willing to do what she did to the woman she loved, then there was no line she wouldn't cross.

Caradin's tale showed similar obsessions from the king. So I wouldn't trust anyone to get their hands on the Anvil. No one could be trusted to use it responsibly. Not evenme.

[LobselVith8]

IanPolaris wrote...

It's pretty clear that you have to have someone else make you into a Golem.  You can't do it yourself which leads back to my original point.

-Polaris

True, but couldn't someone else do it? Does she have dwarven assistants at this time who could follow her steps and make her a golem capable of using the Anvil? Maybe it's out of the realm of possibility for what TPTB have planned, but it seems like a potential risk to me, and Branka is presently insane. She seems to know enough to actually build golems in the first place, in time for the attack against the darkspawn, and even Bhelen isn't capable of removing her from the fortress.

[IanPolaris]

LobselVith8 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

It's pretty clear that you have to have someone else make you into a Golem.  You can't do it yourself which leads back to my original point.

-Polaris

True, but couldn't someone else do it? Does she have dwarven assistants at this time who could follow her steps and make her a golem capable of using the Anvil? Maybe it's out of the realm of possibility for what TPTB have planned, but it seems like a potential risk to me, and Branka is presently insane. She seems to know enough to actually build golems in the first place, in time for the attack against the darkspawn, and even Bhelen isn't capable of removing her from the fortress.

I don't think she does anymore.  Remember that Branka is known (by DAA) as the nut who fed her house to the darkspawn (per Sigrun), so I can't imagine that Branka has or can get Dwarven help.  For most things, Golems will do just fine, but golems need to be controlled and it's hard to do that when you are being force-fed molten lyrium and metal.

-Polaris

[HolyAvenger]

As per Caridin's story, the anvil is just rife for abuse and I can't bring myself to trust anyone with that power, especially amongst the dwarves.