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[Augustei]

Ive just been thinking this through, It is Possible for the warden to become King and if he does not, He can still become just as politically powerful, If not More powerful.

The warden can get up to like 5 Titles Excluding King-Consort.

Chancellor - (Alistairs Advisor)
Commander of The Grey
Teyrn of Gwaren (From Boon)
Arl of Amaranthine (Adressed as this wheh giving High justice in Awakening, and told as Commander of the grey you are esentially the regions arl)
Teyrn Of Highever (Even though not obtainable ingame, with the death of Oren you are next in line to Inherit the title after Fergus's death)

So if you obtain both Terynirs and the Arling of Amaranthine, Young Cousland would control the entire coastline of Ferelden. Would be in the Kings ear as his Chancellor and be able to command your squadren of Grey Wardens as commander of the grey.

Thats alot of political power for one person. If HN Cousland Warden attempted to do what Sophia Drydan did and say, overthrow Alistair or Anora (even though you put them on the throne in the first place:huh: lol) then you would be far more sucessful at it I would imagine.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Don't forget "Champion of Redcliffe"...

[Augustei]

Damn, thats six titles now! How can we expect hawke to "Rise to Power" and for it to be remotely impressive when the warden can Rise to power on a pretty big scale?

[panamakira]

Yeah I know. It's kinda awesome.



My question is, as I haven't played HN Male, if you marry Anora, you are King-consort right? The same as HN Female? I'm sure you can find a way to persuade Anora, as she seems way tougher than Alistair, but if you convinced her to marry you, I'm sure you can persuade her enough to run the kingdom.



Besides with plenty extra titles attached to you as listed, and having an archdemon head on some mantelpiece in the castle, I'm sure the warden is indeed mighty powerful.

[panamakira]

and that is a lot of sure-ing.

[JSRM21]

Fergus isn't dead, so he inherites the teryn of Highever



http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fergus

[Reika]

JSRM21 wrote...

Fergus isn't dead, so he inherites the teryn of Highever

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fergus

The OP said that the HN would be Fergus's heir.

Also, don't forget the whole Hero of Ferelden thing too.

[Sarah1281]

You are assuming that not only does Fergus never remarry and have children but also that Fergus will die before you and even though he is a few years younger, you're the one with an expiration date.



Also, you cannot be both chancellor and Teyrn of Gwaren. Those are too seperate boons. If you pick a title and riches you get Gwaren and if you pick continuing to serve the crown you get to be chancellor. You can't have both. Eamon is always Alistair's chancellor unless you are chancellor yourself and Anora certainly won't put the Hero of Ferelden as the chancellor without the boon (plus the epilogue indicates that she never really listens to you anyway).



You can be Prince Consort if you want but not ruling king. Still, that is a lot of titles.

[errant_knight]

panamakira wrote...

Yeah I know. It's kinda awesome.

My question is, as I haven't played HN Male, if you marry Anora, you are King-consort right? The same as HN Female? I'm sure you can find a way to persuade Anora, as she seems way tougher than Alistair, but if you convinced her to marry you, I'm sure you can persuade her enough to run the kingdom.

Besides with plenty extra titles attached to you as listed, and having an archdemon head on some mantelpiece in the castle, I'm sure the warden is indeed mighty powerful.

You met Anora, right?

[Sarah1281]

Yeah, you only persuade her to marry you if you make it clear that if she doesn't marry you then you won't support her at the Landsmeet. She makes it clear to you that she's not going to rule in another husband's name and you are not the king, only her consort. Once she gets her throne and the Blight is stopped, you have no more leverage to use to force her to let you rule.

[KnightofPhoenix]

By Awakening, Anora clearly develops some feelings for the Warden. Cooperation with her is possible. The Cousland just doesn't have to be an impatient brat, or an idiot incapable of understanding her policies or just politics in general, or extremely ambitious.

As long as the Cousland plays it smooth and subtle and doesn't make Anora perceive him as a threat or nuisance, I think she'd take him into consideration. Being Teyrn of Gwaren and brother to the Teyrn of Highever (aka 2 Teyrns are Couslands) would also help, as long as you don't rub it in her face.

So give her space, don't be an ignorant idiot, be smooth, be charming and you'll be fine.
But no way would she let you rule or rule more than her. And that's fair.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 janvier 2011 - 01:48 .

[GodWood]

Question for the knowledgeable:

What title is better for a power hungry King Prince Consort, Teyrn of Gwaren or Chancellor?

[MKDAWUSS]

Sarah1281 wrote...

You are assuming that not only does Fergus never remarry and have children but also that Fergus will die before you and even though he is a few years younger, you're the one with an expiration date.

Fergus is the elder child.

[Sarah1281]

That's what I meant to say. It wouldn't make sense to think that because he would be younger he might die before you but him being older meaning that he would die before you does work.

[KnightofPhoenix]

GodWood wrote...

Question for the knowledgeable:
What title is better for a power hungry King Prince Consort, Teyrn of Gwaren or Chancellor?

Chancellor to Alistair, especially unhardened, provides the most power.

[LobselVith8]

Sarah1281 wrote...

 If you pick a title and riches you get Gwaren and if you pick continuing to serve the crown you get to be chancellor. You can't have both. Eamon is always Alistair's chancellor unless you are chancellor yourself and Anora certainly won't put the Hero of Ferelden as the chancellor without the boon (plus the epilogue indicates that she never really listens to you anyway).

She never really listens if the Warden is Chancellor and Alistair is the King and angry because Loghain is still alive; if you choose Anora alone and spare Loghain, the epilogue with Anora seems to indicate a good working relationship between the Warden and Queen Anora.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 23 janvier 2011 - 08:02 .

[Augustei]

GodWood wrote...

Question for the knowledgeable:
What title is better for a power hungry King Prince Consort, Teyrn of Gwaren or Chancellor?

hmm.. thats a good question of which I have no idea the answer to... Probably Teyrn however since Chancellor is just an advisor whereas Teyrn of Gwaren is actually a Noble's Title.

I mean its hard to say, being Chancellor would give you more political sway with the King but since power doesn't descend from the throne but rises from the Nobles or w/e then Teyrn would probably be better because it has many Vassels who are have to swear alleigence to you and lend you their armies. So you would have more political sway among the nobles

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 24 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[ejoslin]

XxDeonxX wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Question for the knowledgeable:
What title is better for a power hungry King Prince Consort, Teyrn of Gwaren or Chancellor?

hmm.. thats a good question of which I have no idea the answer to... Probably Teyrn however since Chancellor is just an advisor whereas Teyrn of Gwaren is actually a Noble's Title.

I mean its hard to say, being Chancellor would give you more political sway with the King but since power doesn't descend from the throne but rises from the Nobles or w/e then Teyrn would probably be better because it has many Vassels who are have to swear alleigence to you and lend you their armies. So you would have more political sway among the nobles

Teyrn(a) of Gwaren I would believe gives more power, especially to a princess consort in a political marriage (her epilogue basically says the people view HER as the leader, and their savior, and Alistair lets her do whatever she wants whether she's chancellor or not).

I think having both Teyrnirs under Cousland rule has the potential for huge power.  But I don't have that much confidence in Fergus' ability to rule for some reason.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...
 But I don't have that much confidence in Fergus' ability to rule for some reason.

No one does.
Because it seems like Ferelden is populated by idiots. Only exception is Anora and Eamon.

[Augustei]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
 But I don't have that much confidence in Fergus' ability to rule for some reason.

No one does.
Because it seems like Ferelden is populated by idiots. Only exception is Anora and Eamon.

Anora was an idiot. "Reason clearly had nothing to do with your choice Warden!" For putting Alistair on throne and killing Loghain..

In what society ever in the history of mankind has it ever been or should ever have been acceptable to commit the Crimes of Regicide, Slavery, Torture of other noble's, and Stopping a templar from his civic duty which could get an Exalted March declaired upon Ferelden as long as that idiot remained reagent.

She wasn't a strong ruler at all, I mean if she was then why was I needed to help bring the nobility into line and stop the civil war which just continued to progress while she was queen? And then theres the Alienage Riots. Dont get me started on the alienage!

Anora was not a good Monarch and not a smart one either.

[Sarah1281]

But I don't have that much confidence in Fergus' ability to rule for some reason.

Well, he does randomly decide to give the Wardens Amaranthine even when he has no more reason to be grateful to them than anyone else because the Warden isn't his sibling.

Anora was an idiot. "Reason clearly had nothing to do with your choice Warden!" For putting Alistair on throne and killing Loghain..

I'd disagree with this. She isn't talking about Loghain; she's talking about Alistair. Alistair's issues with Loghain mean that he can only live if she's on the throne so you only get the conversation if Loghain died and she's not on the throne. She's heard all about unhardened Alistair from Cailan and knows that he has no experience or training while she's had both. She thinks he is incompetent regardless of how well hardened Alistair can do. She also thinks that you ignored the obvious choice of her and put Alistair on the throne because he was a Warden and and you could control him.

[Gabey5]

it still awesome.



your bro runs highever

you run amaranthine and gwaren





sweet deal to me

[DPSSOC]

XxDeonxX wrote...
So if you obtain both Terynirs and the Arling of Amaranthine, Young Cousland would control the entire coastline of Ferelden.

 
Slight understatement.  Young Cousland would control the entirety of Fereldan, with the exception of Denerim, because someone thought it was a good idea for the king to have no direct control at all of the lands and people he rules.  Freeholders swear fealty to the Banns/? (what do you call a female Bann?) and Arls/Arlessas, who in turn swear fealty to the Teryns/Terynas, who in turn swear fealty to the King/Queen.  The only odd man out is Denerim because it used to be the King's Terynir, and now it's been downsized to an arling.

So if Fergus were to suffer an "accident" before remarrying and having children Young Cousland would be Teryn of Gwaren and Highever (making Arl of Amaranthine somewhat insignificant) and the true ruler of Fereldan provided he stays on the Landsmeets good side.

[Sarah1281]

(what do you call a female Bann?)

Bann like Bann Alfstanna. The real question is what you call the spouse of a Bann.

[Augustei]

Actually I Just Realised that although The Warden can become the Arl of Amaranthine and "Ruler" of it. He isn't really in charge of Amaranthine. Amaranthine is given to the Grey Wardens which would mean that The First Warden of the Anderfels would be the true ruler of it and The Commander of the Grey is only representing him there. That and the new Arling is a bit different to the other Teyrnir's, Arlings and Bannon's in that power doesn't pass through bloodline but just to whoever is the Commander of the Grey at the time.



But they are just representing the First Warden anyway